I hope that this means his injury is not too serious and he will be able to recover well :yes: Ms. Kobayashi said that he was taking care of himself to heal, so I don't think he would confirm an ice show if there were no signs of improvement.
Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season
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I hope that this means his injury is not too serious and he will be able to recover well :yes: Ms. Kobayashi said that he was taking care of himself to heal, so I don't think he would confirm an ice show if there were no signs of improvement.
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that moment when you think it's a typo, and then you click on the link, and then you go :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
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Sorry I can't open the link right now, what show is it?
Fantasy on Ice
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As a person who actually did suffer from the mental deasease, I want to really thank you for your caring approach and input. Because I myself usually cringed whenever I saw this term used by fans until I got simply used to it. Not a pleasant feeling at all, esp when you're still vulnerable. I don’t have a right to go against others so I didn't really insist on anything and not gonna to, you see the reaction now, but I really appreciate what you have called out. Thank you.
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Thank you !
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I love your icon to death
My two favorite skaters. Really enjoyed their interactions this WC, they seemed really close and at ease with each other. Wishing them both great luck for the next season!
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Thank you too.
I've been thinking: is the layout of SEIMEI too easy for Yuzu? He skated that program clean in the 2nd GP and had clean run through almost every day.
In 2012-2013 and 2013-2014, he struggled with his LP throughout the seasons and only skated his LP somewhat clean until the end of the season. That makes his LPs in those two season awkward to watch, but they keep him challenged until the end of the season. So the layouts of those two LPs are good challenges for him given his skills at that time.
SEIMEI is technically the most difficult program ever, but if he could execute that program in his 2nd GP and had clean run-through every day, then that layout is too easy given Yuzu's skill now. He was not challenged by that layout after GPF any more. (I was a bit surprised he had a clean LP in the 2nd GP already. I was expecting him to somewhat struggle with the LP throughout the season and only skates clean at the end of the season.)
Once he skates his LP clean, everyone's expectation is that he should skate perfect in the future too. Given his personality, it's much easier for him to attack than to defend. (I actually it's very difficulty for him to defend given his personality. POTO's layout is also too easy for him since he watered down the tech.) Once everyone has the expectation he should be perfect, he also became cautious in upgrading his layout.
I think he needs a layout that can keep him challenged until the end of the season (like 4 quad), so he can attack in every competition without feeling the pressure to defend.
In 2012-2013 and 2013-2014, he struggled with his LP throughout the seasons and only skated his LP somewhat clean until the end of the season. That makes his LPs in those two season awkward to watch, but they keep him challenged until the end of the season. So the layouts of those two LPs are good challenges for him given his skills at that time.
SEIMEI is technically the most difficult program ever, but if he could execute that program in his 2nd GP and had clean run-through every day, then that layout is too easy given Yuzu's skill now. He was not challenged by that layout after GPF any more. (I was a bit surprised he had a clean LP in the 2nd GP already. I was expecting him to somewhat struggle with the LP throughout the season and only skates clean at the end of the season.)
Once he skates his LP clean, everyone's expectation is that he should skate perfect in the future too. Given his personality, it's much easier for him to attack than to defend. (I actually it's very difficulty for him to defend given his personality. POTO's layout is also too easy for him since he watered down the tech.) Once everyone has the expectation he should be perfect, he also became cautious in upgrading his layout.
I think he needs a layout that can keep him challenged until the end of the season (like 4 quad), so he can attack in every competition without feeling the pressure to defend.
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I don't think it's an easy layout for him, but more that his stamina improved a lot.
Then it's easy for him given his stamina and skill. That layout is not challenging for him any more. He needs something that can challenge his stamina and skill even more.
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maybe it's "easy" for him but not for his body because at the end that 2nd 4T in his free caused his injury.
I think the injury is caused by his way of training that jump rather than the jump itself.
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well he did say he needed to find a better way of training quads in second half :thumbsup:. tbh I'm still very surprised he could execute that layout perfectly.
I wouldn't say easy. It is just yuzuru as a skater has improved and grown a lot this season. I think sometimes we forget he delivered 5 clean programs this season and focused on his disappointing free skate at worlds (which resulted in his losing the title again to Javi). With that kind of technical difficulty this is really a feat. I meant even if we compare to other competitors this season (correct me if I am wrong), patrick has 1 clean SP and 4 (?) clean LP (2 of these were at nats), i don't think javi performed a clean SP yet and world FS is his 1st time performing a clean free? Shoma yet to perform a clean SP (?) but had 1 clean FP, boyang had 2 clean SP, and 1 or 2 clean FP (I forgot). It is just that everyone (his fans, himself, his coaches, the judges, commentators, critics, skating fans in general) has such high expectations on him nowadays, moreso than other skaters.
That said, I do think it will be good for him to do 4 quads in the LP. Everyone else is upping their game next season. Patrick adding a 4S, shoma is landing 4F and 4Lo (he did say he will add another quad and he can do 4 types of quads by now) and who knows what will boyang do. This season is just the season to go crazy and experimental. Oly season will be too risky to have extreme changes in layout. However, I am also concern about injuries, so I am not so sure about how I feel regarding 4 quads.
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It depends on what you mean by "clean". Clean meaning absolutely clean? Or not falling nor popping jumps? Shoma had clean a FS at SA and the GPF (you could even count JO). If you go by the second criteria, Javier had a clean FS at the GPF (he had a turn out on his 4T) and a clean SP at Euros (slight turn out on his combo). And Shoma had a clean SP at TEB.
But I agree, no one had as many clean performances this season as Yuzu did that could balance insane tech, performance, SS, etc. And he was absolutely clean. It's not easy by any means, even for him. But it was only natural that people would have higher expectations for him, given that he showed what he's capable of....twice. And now everyone is upping their game to catch up to him next season, but he always wants to be a step ahead, so perhaps he might consider a 4 quad FS. Though I think that would depend on his injury for the 4T and the general consistency of his 4Lo.
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You're beautiful. You're beautiful. You're beautiful, it's true..
.....and this is an event by itself.....
Love this picture...strength, beauty, perfection...
He really is perfect. When i saw him live i was mesmerized.
That's why he needs to go for even harder layout. If he can do 10, he should aim for 11 or 12, not 9 or 10. If he can do clean LPs so often, then the difficulty of the program is only at the level of 9 or 10. It's not hard enough to challenge him any more. Once he is perfect, people's expectations become huge pressure.
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It depends on what you mean by "clean". Clean meaning absolutely clean? Or not falling nor popping jumps? Shoma had clean a FS at SA and the GPF (you could even count JO). If you go by the second criteria, Javier had a clean FS at the GPF (he had a turn out on his 4T) and a clean SP at Euros (slight turn out on his combo). And Shoma had a clean SP at TEB.
But I agree, no one had as many clean performances this season as Yuzu did that could balance insane tech, performance, SS, etc. And he was absolutely clean. It's not easy by any means, even for him. But it was only natural that people would have higher expectations for him, given that he showed what he's capable of....twice. And now everyone is upping their game to catch up to him next season, but he always wants to be a step ahead, so perhaps he might consider a 4 quad FS. Though I think that would depend on his injury for the 4T and the general consistency of his 4Lo.
Yeah. What I meant with clean is executing planned program (no popping) with no negative GOEs (so stepout etc is not clean imo). I think this is the season he delivered the most "clean" performances? Compared to previous seasons i meant. He used to barely performed clean free before. If anything i still see him making tremendous improvement this season. Regarding consistency, his 4s is barely there the first season he put it in a program. So my expectations are low, however i don't see why he should not include it. Again, this is the season to do crazy layout, not oly season. So...
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