Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Sydney Rose]

Yes, we do have a different point of view and we are entitled to both those views. As this is not Brian Orser's fan fest, it's an exchange of opposite opinions and that's that. I don't particularly like reading odes to Orser either, or Javier come to think of it, so I just skip those. I think a few posts will not harm anyone, as long as no-one goes into slander territory. But Orser gives interviews about Yuzuru that are in public and different folks, different strokes when it comes to how we perceive them. Either nobody talks about Orser or both sides get a say. It passes quickly anyway.

As someone who considers herself an Orser fan, I completely agree with this post. And I totally understand why many here have concerns about Brian; he does have a remarkable ability to make some clueless comments to the press. And the press, sadly, never follows up on those comments so we're left to wonder: What the hell did he mean by that?

Brian is coaching one of Yuzu's closest competitors. And not only is he coaching him, he seems to have a close personal relationship with him as well -- a relationship he doesn't have with Yuzu. Brian also has made it clear that he considers transforming Javi his greatest accomplishment as a coach. Given all this, I don't think some concern on the part of Yuzu fans about him is unwarranted.

As for the IceNetwork article, I actually thing Brian unintentionally makes Javi look bad. If Javi can do the quad loop, why isn't he working to integrate it into his programs? Given Javi's notorious reputation for having been a slacker, he probably should have not brought that up. But you know, clueless.

 

[mcq]

How do you know if Orser did not say those words and Lynn just decided to skip those when writing the article? Huh?
Does he have to repeat the story of pre Worlds when we all know what happenned?
The problem is perception.

My two cents is, why did people still get worked up over articles written by icenetwork. Most of the commotion made was from an article written by them lol (D10 incident, now, last AC). I think the tone in their article is not necessarily friendly to Yuzuru many many times, (I meant, after he lands historic 4Lo and win AC their article title is : Hanyu shows early-season rust in runaway victory). Same with today's article the sub-headline title is : Olympic champ goes against coach's wishes. Who cares that he almost has a clean practice lol. Like really people, don't be so easily baited by article especially if it is written by IN.

 

[Camillo]

How do you know if Orser did not say those words and Lynn just decided to skip those when writing the article? Huh?
Does he have to repeat the story of pre Worlds when we all know what happenned?
The problem is perception.

These words are direct citation from Orser - there are "...".
Or are you assuming we should not believe the written words and citations when it's not convenient for us? Okay, but that means all interviews (except video) probably are fake

 

[Biellmann]

Brian never said those words. You can't quote these, can you? Then please stop your negative approach. You don't like Brian, fine. Yuzu DOES. Accept that.

How do you know?
Yuzuru is very polite, we don't know what he is really thinking. The reality can hurt and just because you want to believe that everything is fine it doesn't mean it really is. Accept that

 

[Sorrento]

Sorry, I can't give quotes - didn't keep it for such purposes, but Brian did say things like that, he did emphasise that Javi is very easygoing while Yuzu is too emotional. (Yuzu himself stated he is "weak" and easily falls under influence of the external environment).

Yuzu respects Brian, that's true. I deeply hope Brian would support him till the end and it would reflects in his interviews, performed in more professional manner.

No Brian never said those words I bolded, that's the problem. This is what you took from what he said. So what if Yuzu is emotional? That makes his performances so deep and touching. Is it bad that anyone is emotional? NO! It's one of human qualities that people can benefit from. Yuzu does. We do. It is good to be emotional.
Weak is not necessarily a gap you need to improve or scratch. Weak is a starting poing to become strong. If yu know what is your weakness you know how to deal with it. Sometimes the most dangerous competitor is the one who appear to look weak. Reminds you of anyone in particular?

 

[Yatagarasu]

As for the IceNetwork article, I actually thing Brian unintentionally makes Javi look bad. If Javi can do the quad loop, why isn't he working to integrate it into his programs? Given Javi's notorious reputation for having been a slacker, he probably should have not brought that up. But you know, clueless.

You know, actually all of this is fairly easily solvable. Considering Orser's status, the TCC, both Hanyu and Fernandez, and other skaters, introducing a mid-level PR agency to help with the distribution of information would fix it all. Any decent agency knows how to smooth out the rough edges, how to spin and what to avoid at all costs, and they can handle the media in general. It is getting fairly common that big athlete names have someone to help out as the media is merciless.

 

[xibsuarz]

How do you know?
Yuzuru is very polite, we don't know what he is really thinking. The reality can hurt and just because you want to believe that everything is fine it doesn't mean it really is. Accept that

But how do you know he doesn't?
At least there is solid foundation to believe Yuzuru likes being coached by Brian and in the TCC, words spoken by Yuzuru himself several times in the last 4-5 years (it's another story if people choose not to believe them). While there is nothing of the sort to support the opposite, other than speculation.


Anyway, practice should start in about 5 minutes, they are resurfacing the ice atm Will he skate last in the first group as the SP draw then?

 

[Sorrento]

How do you know?
Yuzuru is very polite, we don't know what he is really thinking. The reality can hurt and just because you want to believe that everything is fine it doesn't mean it really is. Accept that

I trust what he says. With this we both have no choice, right? Being polite does not mean staying with a coach he can't work with. So what is they have a different viewpoint on the strategy? That doesn't make them adversaries in a conflict situation. And it's not an Olympic season yet. He can try and learn if his strategy works. If not- he will pace himself different.
I really see this image of poor kid who has to stay with the coach because he has no choice in my head when reading this kind of comments. Yuzu is an adult. He can handle it.

 

[giulia95]

How do you know?
Yuzuru is very polite, we don't know what he is really thinking. The reality can hurt and just because you want to believe that everything is fine it doesn't mean it really is. Accept that

:agree:

This is the most important question.

 

[Sorrento]

My two cents is, why did people still get worked up over articles written by icenetwork. Most of the commotion made was from an article written by them lol (D10 incident, now, last AC). I think the tone in their article is not necessarily friendly to Yuzuru many many times, (I meant, after he lands historic 4Lo and win AC their article title is : Hanyu shows early-season rust in runaway victory). Same with today's article the sub-headline title is : Olympic champ goes against coach's wishes. Who cares that he almost has a clean practice lol. Like really people, don't be so easily baited by article especially if it is written by IN.

Agreed, they need to sell the story and don't really care about being nice. They are not Japanese after all.

 

[Victor]

Guys, would you please stop this fruitless argument during the SP practice, just before Yuzu's this season's first GP competition?

 

[eta]

I think I see him on the stream!

 

[mcq]

Saw Yuzuru! And Brian and Pooh!

 

[xibsuarz]

there he is!

 

[Yatagarasu]

He's there!

We should try and pay attention to the music, to try and catch if there really are any changes or not.

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

This might sound strange coming from someone who has been using computers for most of her life and had internet access fairly early, but i'm still amazed that i am not in the same place, yet i am watching him skate right now from my desk♥ I am so grateful for this technology, it allows me to watch him and cheer for him live

 

[Camillo]

No Brian never said those words I bolded, that's the problem. This is what you took from what he said.

How do you know that? Did you read all of his interviews, in English, Japanese, etc? That's great, maybe you would be so kind and share your translation of Brian's interview (from Ice jewels vol.3, I think. Sorry, don't remember the exact number, but you must know - you've read it all.)

So what if Yuzu is emotional? That makes his performances so deep and touching. Is it bad that anyone is emotional? NO! It's one of human qualities that people can benefit from. Yuzu does. We do. It is good to be emotional.

I don't have problems with Yuzu being emotional, seems Brian has. After WC2016 he didn't talk about injury as the reason of meltdown, only about mental problems and Yuzu's high sensitivity. At the same time he spoke about Javi injury and how they changed his practice before WC to help him. You can read it here for example http://web.canon.jp/event/skating/interview/int_brian01_1.html
Maybe Yuzu's team asked him to keep quiet about the issue but still Orser should have been more considerate in his interviews.

 

[HanDomi]

4S, 4T and 2x 4lo landed so far in practice

 

[Yatagarasu]

4S+3T video

https://twitter.com/QuadAxel3Toe/status/792050836373278720

 

[HanDomi]

and of course fall on 3lz