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It's in Team Brian 1. Part 5 of the last chapter. It's a message to Yuzuru, and it's all really really touchingly worded. I forgot quite how touching. But yes. Basically "If Javi's like a cute son that I have to worry about, Yuzuru is like the twin brother of my younger self. Every time I look at you, I can't help but sigh in my heart, 'I understand you...' 'So young...'.

My sense is that the similarity is not in the skating, but rather the mentality and the strong urge to push boundaries...?

Thanks gladiolusc for sharing that (and to daisy as well for sharing bits and pieces from the book).

Brian and the rest of the Cricket Club sure do have a handful with both Javi and Yuzu! I think Brian probably sees the same (sometimes reckless) passion that Yuzu has that maybe he had as well when he was young.

I do wish we had a coach-cam at times so we can catch their reactions during their student's skates, I would've loved to see Brian's reactions from NHK and GPF in 2015.
 
Thank you everyone who has been sharing translations the last few pages! They've been very interesting and lovely to read! So far as the team goes, I think it's all a big lesson in communication. Which, to be fair, Brian has said multiple times - the skaters need to be open and tell him when something isn't right. He's a man of many talents, but mind-reading isn't one of them. It seems like they've made huge improvements in their communication so for me, I'm feeling very optimistic for Yuzuru and the team moving forward :)
 
There is nothing I don't love about that program!

And talking about it, subbed favorite version at the moment, GPF, of my fave commentators
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x54te1u_yh-gpf16-sp-esp-ita-diretta-del-08-12-2016_sport

I do so love those two. I was rewatching and had to post it as we were talking about it :love: They are just so informative as well!

Thanks for posting this! I love reading what other language commentors are saying and the Italian commentators are definitely very huge fans. I was looking for other subbed commentatories from them and came across these links to translations of their podcasts from the 2015 season (for some reason, I only remembered reading about the Patrick vs Yuzuru scoring at Skate Canada). It seems like they really studied and understood Yuzuru's mindset and strategies pretty deeply. Maybe some things are obvious (especially by now) but there were some quotes that I thought were still quite interesting in retrospect:

- Had Hanyu worked alone, without a coach, a guru like Brian Orser, probably despite of all the problems he had he would have performed the programs like he planned them, regardless of injuries and issues, because that was the important thing for him. [...] (this was in reference to the 14-15 season, where he stuck to 2 quads in the FS instead of the planned 3 quads at the beginning of the season)

- Last week, Plushenko talked about Hanyu's 3 quads and another one that may come in the future: the three quads are obviously Toeloop, Salchow and Loop and the fourth one is the Lutz. [...] So maybe Plushenko is the one who understands Hanyu the most and according to him Hanyu will go to the next Olympics with 3 different quads in his programs and maybe a fourth one too. [...] Yuzuru Hanyu didn't clearly state “I will go to the next Olympics with 3 different quads”, but it's evident that his path is leading him to this goal. It's not that he will need those 3 quads to win, but this is where you really understand how his mind works: he's not somebody who competes to win the event, he competes because figure skating is a challenge against himself. So, being able to execute those difficult jumps in competition, maybe even with difficult steps before them, it's the biggest pleasure for him. Not being able to do it, because of an injury or because the coach doesn't allow it, it's a deprivation.

- I'm sure that he's thinking about this kind of program for 2018, but I'm also sure that someone will make him change his mind, explaining him about the importance of the victory, and that it would be better to have an easier program - if one of his programs could be defined as easy, when he does the quad with a step before, because without it will be too easy and even other skaters can do it. But if he had the opportunity to decide on his own, be sure that his free skating for 2018 Olympic Games would have 4 quads and seven triples planned.

I think it's also relevant in this discussion of Brian's role as Yuzu's coach and what he should've or could've done in different situations.

With regards to what happened at Boston for example, it's probably not an easy situation to be in, where the skater is injured and yet has the need/want to keep practising to compensate for that injury, and to tell him to stop. And it's not just anyone, it is Yuzuru, who has been in many situations where he had skated while injured or in less than ideal conditions and yet pulled out performances like in 2012 and 2013 Worlds, which probably convinced him that he would, somehow, prevail no matter what if he just willed it enough. And after what happened in the SP as well, where it seemingly happened yet again, how would anyone convince someone as determined as Yuzuru, who has this 'history' to back him up, not to do something in that situation?

And if Brian had managed to somehow miraculously convince Yuzuru to take it easy after the SP and yet the result ended up the same (which would not be unlikely, given his physical condition), what kind of regrets would both of them have then? Given Yuzuru's mentality, I would not be surprised if he would think 'if only I had practiced more' and Brian would end up being the scapegoat for the fans again, since he 'stopped' him from practising. It's a lose-lose situation. It's different for Javier, who was also injured at Worlds, but most likely had the mindset of trying to practise less under the circumstances. For one, he's older and more well-aware of his own physical limits. At the end of the day, both skaters are adults who did what they each wanted to do themselves and Brian had to find a way to support both of their decisions. Yuzuru has to learn his own limits himself, that he has to take care and listen to his body more, and yes, this was a hard way to learn it, but honestly, what other way does Yuzuru know? One thing I don't think ever crossed his mind was 'ah, why didn't Brian or Ms. Shirota stop me from practising so much?'

When Yuzu landed 4T3T successfully, even knowing there were two 3As remaining, Brain already felt like going to another planet :biggrin:
He had goosebumps behind his neck. Forgetting he was a coach, he wanted to go out to the rink to skate with Yuzu.(I nearly cried when I read this phrase.)

And thank you Daisy for all the translations! If only they released the book in the original English.... there seems to be so much nuance that could've been lost in the translation to Japanese (and then again to English). I thought that him wanting to go out to the rink to skate with Yuzuru at NHK was really interesting. He wants to skate alongside him? Like, skate beside him as he skates? And... do the same thing? Just be next to him on the rink? Or skate against him as a competitor, since he's forgetting that he was a coach? I'm not quite sure I understood what he meant there.
 
I would describe myself more or Yuzuru's admirer - his work ethics, determination, perfectionism and a poise to push himself forward - than a big fan, just want to wish him a lot of health and calm atmosphere in next 2 months which will be intense, both physically and mentally I think.

In times where there is some kind of crazy quad race - I just would like to see him satisfied about his skating, giving his best effort considering all circumstances. Seeing how big and strong his support is, I wish it will give him even more strength and confidence he has, I have no doubt he feels that. I imagine it's very hard to be that strict and particular about himself, his skating, I feel like he's his most severe critic, hence his constant strive to perfect his skating, performances.

Hope his skating will shine brightly in both 4CC and Worlds, taking its light from his very unique sensibility and dedication for figure skating.
 
But how does this make Yuzu's team sound 'utterly incompetent'? :confused: There was a lot that was going wrong in Boston, a lot of that out of Yuzu's & his teams control, and some of that within their control. Most parties involved made mistakes of some sorts, but everyone does - which coach/team doesn't? Making mistakes doesn't mean you're 'utterly incompetent' by any means. I rather think all of them owning up to their mistakes shows that Yuzu has a great team... and they learned from it. Yuzu, Brian, Shirota and I'd wager the rest of the team too. So I really don't see a reason to be worried because of Yuzus team right now.

Ahh sorry, I didn't mean to use such strong terms like "utterly incompetent," just that they seem to be a bit more disorganized than normal. I was on my way to catch a plane and reading some of these posts got me a little distressed so I didn't think through what I was writing.

You're right, of course, these things happen and I'm glad it did in 2016 rather than at the Olympics. This way they know what they did wrong and hopefully not only did they learn from these mistakes, but have plans against future ones as well.
 
And thank you Daisy for all the translations! If only they released the book in the original English.... there seems to be so much nuance that could've been lost in the translation to Japanese (and then again to English). I thought that him wanting to go out to the rink to skate with Yuzuru at NHK was really interesting. He wants to skate alongside him? Like, skate beside him as he skates? And... do the same thing? Just be next to him on the rink? Or skate against him as a competitor, since he's forgetting that he was a coach? I'm not quite sure I understood what he meant there.

OK, now I try to translate each words:
"I can't forget it. I had goosebumps behind my neck and I felt thrilled. I forgot I was a couch and felt like running into the rink and skating along with Yuzuru."
So, my impression is that Brian was so excited that he wanted to skate out there with Yuzu, and perhaps do the same things.
Come to think of it, Brian must know his skaters' choreography very well, and maybe he can skate their programs except jumps? :laugh:

Another interesting thing from the book: Brian was very bad at loop jump :roll9:
He learned jumps from 3s, then 3t, 3lutz, then 3a. Last jumps he learned were 3flip and 3loop. Surprisingly, he could manage to jump 3lo only at the age of 25, in the final season of his career. :shocked:
He says in the book that learning loop jump so late was his biggest mistake. I thought "Was it?", though. Being able to land 3a must have been much more important than having 3lo in the Brian's times.

Brian also talks about PCS, transition, COC 2014, TCC as a community for his skaters, etc.
I hope anyone who's read the book and is good at English will share those interesting parts here, though when I have enough time, I also try to! :coffee:
 
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Today, February 6, marks 3 years since I became a fan of Yuzuru. Ever since his SP at the Team Event at the Olympics. 3 years. Wow.
 
Since Brian's interview to Icetalk and then American Champs and Nathan's 5 quads in LP I can't help but thinking... As Brian said that Yuzu is very competitive and we all sort of know that... Do you think he might add 5th quad to his FS next season or... add a new quad?
 
Since Brian's interview to Icetalk and then American Champs and Nathan's 5 quads in LP I can't help but thinking... As Brian said that Yuzu is very competitive and we all sort of know that... Do you think he might add 5th quad to his FS next season or... add a new quad?

I think there must be 15+ pages on this thread between GPF and right now that are dedicated to this topic exactly... I bet we can grow it even more :coffee: Someone said it earlier, but I want BrianCam or YuzuCam at 4CC!

tl;dr up till now is no 5th quad, altho Yuzu's run-throughs end with extra 4S. Probably 4Lz, based on Yuzu's 3Lz weirdness, Brian podcast, and our dearly beloved ESP ITA commentators.

People may have since changed their opinions, but I'm guessing Yuzu and team's final decision is also based on how 4CC and Worlds work out.
 
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There might be 4lz ,but I hope he is not as crazy to add 4 lz and put 4S as last jump in FS.

But this time I will go with Plushenko. He should skate "a bit" safer rather than putting as many quads as he can. He should focus on winning Olympics instead of putting himself in the biggest possible risk of splat fest performance.

He should take lessons from 2014 Oly. He could have skated perfect program doing 2x 4T, but instead he decided to go for jump that was unstable in competition.
 
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There might be 4lz ,but I hope he is not as crazy to add 4 lz and put 4S as last jump in FS.

But this time I will go with Plushenko. He should skate "a bit" safer rather than putting as many quads as he can. He should focus on winning Olympics instead of putting himself in the biggest possible risk of splat fest performance.

He should take lessons from 2014 Oly. He could have skated perfect program doing 2x 4T, but instead he decided to go for jump that was unstable in competition.

Did Plushenko specifically say Yuzu should go safe? All I remember is Plushenko saying he'll go into Olympics with 4 different types of quads.
 
People may have since changed their opinions, but I'm guessing Yuzu and team's final decision is also based on how 4CC and Worlds work out.
But I don't think he will try any of planned tricks for the next season as, for example, ending his FS with 4S- actually he may try this one if he's in a good shape.
I too believe that next two competitions might change the prospects.
 
There might be 4lz ,but I hope he is not as crazy to add 4 lz and put 4S as last jump in FS.

But this time I will go with Plushenko. He should skate "a bit" safer rather than putting as many quads as he can. He should focus on winning Olympics instead of putting himself in the biggest possible risk of splat fest performance.

He should take lessons from 2014 Oly. He could have skated perfect program doing 2x 4T, but instead he decided to go for jump that was unstable in competition.
Well, Plushenko may say whatever he thinks is right but that viewpoint is based on Evghenii's strong belief that Olympic Champion is the one who is doing a clean FS performance which is a rare find nowadays because of the current quad obsession in top Men's field. You see, this time the high risk (and a HUGE HUGE LUCK) may be an actual key to claim the Olympic gold.
Vancouver gold was a clean skate but should Evghenii go clean and higher BV (add another quad)- he would have won. Same with Yuna in Sochi- BV was in favour of Sotnikova. I don't whish to discuss any of those two events, let them stay in the past- I just try to figure the strategy the top Men might go for clean a safe or top BV no matter what. Latter is no problem for either Nathan or Boyang, they both have another Olympics to chase gold, but Yuzu, Javi, Patrick and a few others may totally suffer from either of strategies should Nathan and Boyang get lucky in their both S&LP.
 
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Well, Plushenko may say whatever he thinks is right but that viewpoint is based on Evghenii's strong belief that Olympic Champion is the one who is doing a clean FS performance which is a rare find nowadays because of the current quad obsession in top Men's field. You see, this time the high risk (and a HUGE HUGE LUCK) may be an actual key to claim the Olympic gold.
Vancouver gold was a clean skate but should Evghenii go clean and higher BV (add another quad)- he would have won. Same with Yuna in Sochi- BV was in favour of Sotnikova. I don't whish to discuss any of those two events, let them stay in the past- I just try to figure the strategy the top Men might go for clean a safe or top BV no matter what. Latter is no problem for either Nathan or Boyang, they both have another Olympics to chase gold, but Yuzu, Javi, Patrick and a few others may totally suffer from either of strategies should Nathan and Boyang get lucky in their both S&LP.

I completely agree, it really is a toss up between going relatively safe and relying upon mistakes/a GOE&PCS gap from others, or going for the top BV and hoping to goodness you execute it on the day. But when the 4Lz talk comes around, I can't help but think it's really not necessary for Yuzuru. If everyone goes clean-ish (imagine????) Yuzu still wins with his current layout.

I feel like adding anything in and in an Olympic season is going beyond a risk, it's just playing with luck.
 
I completely agree, it really is a toss up between going relatively safe and relying upon mistakes/a GOE&PCS gap from others, or going for the top BV and hoping to goodness you execute it on the day. But when the 4Lz talk comes around, I can't help but think it's really not necessary for Yuzuru. If everyone goes clean-ish (imagine????) Yuzu still wins with his current layout.

I feel like adding anything in and in an Olympic season is going beyond a risk, it's just playing with luck.

Yeah being the underdog means you can take risks because you're not expected to win anyway, which is why I think Nathan or Boyang are Yuzu's biggest medal threats in PC, IMO. And we don't even need everyone to go clean, if just one of the young quadsters go clean, we could have a problem. Plus, given Nathan's somewhat consistent 4+ quad programs, I wouldn't count on any mistakes from him, just to be safe...

However, if Yuzu's base value really is only a few points lower than Nathan's in the free, I feel like it shouldn't matter and Yuzu should still win if he goes clean taking into account GOEs (which Yuzu should have over Nathan), and PCS (which Yuzu should also have over Nathan by quite some way, because c'mon, Nathan isn't a cardboard cutout but his "artistry" is nowhere on the level of Yuzu. Given how much Yuzu has invested in artistry and pushing the boundaries of sport and performance, if Nathan got similar PCS without drastic changes in the span of a year, it would just be so unfair).

So I think the biggest threat for Olympic Gold here is (1) Yuzu himself, and a small consideration for (2) politics (which affects GOEs and PCS). If it gets really close and Yuzuru gets especially unlucky with skating position and judging panel, who knows...? Thankfully Nathan isn't Korean, haha.
 
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