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Yes! Before you go to sleep hahaha. "He should change the 4S3T!"
What can we do to beat yesterday's 20 pages record :laugh:? Our Yuzu Face Ava Club hopefuls are closer to the goal now!

BTW, what's the next goal for us medalists?

Yuzushydroblade, gladiolusc, thanks for remembering the old doddering 4S3T addict!
 
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Plushenko lost (got silver). Canadians have lost (got silver), Lambiel lost (got silver), past soviets lost. I'm not considering the circumstances of Plush being able to compete in 2005. It was still Lambiel as world champ. It's almost like incumbent world champs are a good bet for silver though (if you're not American)!

As for Yuzu, I agree. I just want to see him put skates out there on Olympic ice that he can be proud of and know he left it all out there.

Well, silver is not bad :p
To have a good skate but lost OG like Kwan, Yuna or Plush should be ok imo, but most of those men you mentioned skate sub-par at OG thus they lost to the winner. That's why regardless of the result, I hope he will have a satisfying skate there that he can be proud of. This is not just for Yuzuru, I wish the same for Patrick and Javier too. I hope they all get their redemption skate after the mess that is Sochi Men's FS. :biggrin:

Er... 4S3T?
Did I just hear 4S3T :eeking: jumps in on the convo

I won't hold my breath for this. Just that... If he decided to keep it, there are lesser painful ways to botch this combo. I just wish it won't be a 4S+REP Fall or 2S1Lo. Yuzu, if you want to botch this, can it be at least a 3S3T (or 3S2T)? And land everything else please. Amen.
 
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Did I just hear 4S3T :eeking: jumps in on the convo

I won't hold my breath for this. Just that... If he decided to keep it, there are lesser painful ways to botch this combo. I just wish it won't be a 4S+REP Fall or 2S1Lo. Yuzu, if you want to botch this, can it be at least a 3S3T (or 3S2T)? And land everything else please. Amen.

You rang? :biggrin:

Seriously, can't he pop like a normal person into a triple instead of a double? Why must you be special at everything Yuzuru? Triple, triple!
 
Plush did not go to 2005 worlds so that year kind of didn't count (he probably would have won against Lambiel).
No, actually he went to WC2005, but bombed SP and withdrew from FS (obviously to stay undefeated :biggrin: ).
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2005/SEG003.HTM

Although, I agree that being a repeat OGM is very hard; and at this point, if he can do a good skate that he can be proud of, that should have been enough regardless of the result. He can't control things like politics and all during OG but he at least can practice and prepare himself to skate well :)
It would be a miracle to get second OGM, the last one happened almost 66 years ago. I hope Yuzu can do magic once again)
 
You rang? :biggrin:

Seriously, can't he pop like a normal person into a triple instead of a double? Why must you be special at everything Yuzuru? Triple, triple!

Hi hello there Yatagarasu I was waiting for you :biggrin: my soul twin when it comes to lamenting commenting about 4S3T

I am preparing myself for that honestly. If he lands it, good for him. But if he won't, let's just say the two of us would be the least surprised. :p
I just hope he at least will botch it smarter than he had been the past 5 competitions. (actually at AC he kind of botch it the smart way lol)

No, actually he went to WC2005, but bombed SP and withdrew from FS (obviously to stay undefeated :biggrin: ).
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2005/SEG003.HTM


It would be a miracle to get second OGM, the last one happened almost 66 years ago. I hope Yuzu can do magic once again)

Yeah I know that, when I said he didn't go I meant he didn't compete until the end. Additionally, aside of Plush and Petrenko, most (if not all) men's OGM retired or did not skate to the next OG after they won their first OG. So I'd also argue the reason why we rarely see repeat OGM is because of that. ;)
 
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Actually I'm so so so anxious and afraid they will Yuna'ed Yuzu next year. Skate clean enough yet lost to "politics". God, that must be so awful. I can't imagine what would he feel.
 
Actually I'm so so so anxious and afraid they will Yuna'ed Yuzu next year. Skate clean enough yet lost to "politics". God, that must be so awful. I can't imagine what would he feel.

I can: KUYASHII :laugh:
But seriously, even if he doesn't win, as long as he is happy with his performance, i will be happy too. If that happens everyone would still know who was the rightful owner of that gold medal :handw:
 
Actually I'm so so so anxious and afraid they will Yuna'ed Yuzu next year. Skate clean enough yet lost to "politics". God, that must be so awful. I can't imagine what would he feel.

well... if he skates clean and loses, the politiking will be so obvious that it'll cause a scandal to merit its own wikipedia page. tbh i'm sure he's not blind to the presence of politiking, and anyhow I don't actually think Olympics is the end-all of his ambitions... don't forget that 4A among other things :laugh: he likes to win, but he cares most about the performance, I think.
 
Hi hello there Yatagarasu I was waiting for you :biggrin: my soul twin when it comes to lamenting commenting about 4S3T

I am preparing myself for that honestly. If he lands it, good for him. But if he won't, let's just say the two of us would be the least surprised. :p
I just hope he at least will botch it smarter than he had been the past 5 competitions. (actually at AC he kind of botch it the smart way lol)

Hello, hello! I was wondering whether to make coffee first or pop in but obviously the combo talk called to me :biggrin: Soul twins indeed!

Seriously, if he botches it again I do believe the two of us are at the shrugging point. Oh well :laugh:
But if he really must, must do so, then at least he can reward us for our perseverance in our combo talk lament and land a triple. We will be generous, so he doesn't even have to do a combo there. Just a measly triple will do.

Are we going to faint though, if he decides to swap out or move the combo? Now that may actually be a genuine issue.
 
Er... 4S3T?
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Well, silver is not bad [emoji14]
To have a good skate but lost OG like Kwan, Yuna or Plush should be ok imo, but most of those men you mentioned skate sub-par at OG thus they lost to the winner. That's why regardless of the result, I hope he will have a satisfying skate there that he can be proud of. This is not just for Yuzuru, I wish the same for Patrick and Javier too. I hope they all get their redemption skate after the mess that is Sochi Men's FS. [emoji3]


Did I just hear 4S3T :eeking: jumps in on the convo

I won't hold my breath for this. Just that... If he decided to keep it, there are lesser painful ways to botch this combo. I just wish it won't be a 4S+REP Fall or 2S1Lo. Yuzu, if you want to botch this, can it be at least a 3S3T (or 3S2T)? And land everything else please. Amen.
Second OGM is not impossible, but it is better to be realistic about that. And silver is not bad at all. The chances that he continues his competitive career after 2018 are higher if he doesn't win. If he wins what more can he achieve as a skater? 4A maybe, but will it be enough to motivate him?
It is just my opinion, Iately I was thinking a lot about this.
 
Hello, hello! I was wondering whether to make coffee first or pop in but obviously the combo talk called to me :biggrin: Soul twins indeed!

Seriously, if he botches it again I do believe the two of us are at the shrugging point. Oh well :laugh:
But if he really must, must do so, then at least he can reward us for our perseverance in our combo talk lament and land a triple. We will be generous, so he doesn't even have to do a combo there. Just a measly triple will do.

Are we going to faint though, if he decides to swap out or move the combo? Now that may actually be a genuine issue.

Look at how far we have reached. :laugh:
The 5 stages of grief of 4S3T : We went from believing he will land it --> still believing and thinking it was timing issue --> thinking it was mental issue --> wishing he would change it --> lamenting about it --> being frustrated over it --> accepting that he would not change it ---> wishing that for now at least if he botch it, it will be in a less painful manner :laugh2:

But you are right, at this point if he botches that again I would just shrug. :p
You still think he would change it or swap the combo? Wow I have tremendous admiration towards your perseverance in hoping, I gave up already. :biggrin:

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Second OGM is not impossible, but it is better to be realistic about that. And silver is not bad at all. The chances that he continues his competitive career after 2018 are higher if he doesn't win. If he wins what more can he achieve as a skater? 4A maybe, but will it be enough to motivate him?
It is just my opinion, Iately I was thinking a lot about this.

Well, if you know my past posts I don't care that much about his medals, but I do care about how he feel about his skate. ;) I think he has achieved enough and has nothing to prove, regardless of what others want to say about him. Of course it will be nice to add more jewels to his crown but I always say that he is already a legend regardless of his future result now. If he is happy about his skate and personal improvement/achievement/satisfaction rather than what color of medals that he won or how high his score is, as his fan I am already more than happy. :)
If you see Caro K skates now, I kind of feel like that about her. :) A contrasting reaction would be how I feel about Asada or Gracie now. :hopelessness:
 
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Second OGM is not impossible, but it is better to be realistic about that. And silver is not bad at all. The chances that he continues his competitive career after 2018 are higher if he doesn't win. If he wins what more can he achieve as a skater? 4A maybe, but will it be enough to motivate him?
It is just my opinion, Iately I was thinking a lot about this.

That's what I'm wondering too. If they Yuna'ed him, maybe he would be pissed enough to land 4A and/or stay until OWG. I don't want it to happen, but I'll be lying if I say I don't want him to stay a little longer
 
Look at how far we have reached. :laugh:
The 5 stages of grief of 4S3T : We went from believing he will land it --> still believing and thinking it was timing issue --> thinking it was mental issue --> wishing he would change it --> lamenting about it --> being frustrated over it --> accepting that he would not change it ---> wishing that for now at least if he botch it, it will be in a less painful manner :laugh2:

But you are right, at this point if he botches that again I would just shrug. :p
You still think he would change it or swap the combo? Wow I have tremendous admiration towards your perseverance in hoping, I gave up already. :biggrin:

Is it very wrong of me to hope he lands it finally? :)
 
Is it very wrong of me to hope he lands it finally? :)

Can't you see that it is my coping mechanism when I said that all I wish is for him to botch it less disastrousy :laugh:

but yeah, I am just preparing myself here.
So that if he flops it again I would just :coffee::popcorn: instead of :hpull:
 
Can't you see that it is my coping mechanism when I said that all I wish is for him to botch it less disastrousy :laugh:

but yeah, I am just preparing myself here.
So that if he flops it again I would just :coffee::popcorn: instead of :hpull:

come on, you know we'll all :hpull: anyway - just because we all love agonising now and again. You have to be an over-achiever to be a Yuzu fan.
 
Look at how far we have reached. :laugh:
The 5 stages of grief of 4S3T : We went from believing he will land it --> still believing and thinking it was timing issue --> thinking it was mental issue --> wishing he would change it --> lamenting about it --> being frustrated over it --> accepting that he would not change it ---> wishing that for now at least if he botch it, it will be in a less painful manner :laugh2:

But you are right, at this point if he botches that again I would just shrug. :p
You still think he would change it or swap the combo? Wow I have tremendous admiration towards your perseverance in hoping, I gave up already. :biggrin:

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When you put it that way, and it's all true, someone could conduct a pretty interesting psychological study on us!
Though the Prof may have us beaten in this department, she's still hoping he'll land it.
Yes, welcome to my mule-y side. Yata the Mule. It can be somewhat annoying but a part of me just refuses to let go.
I also have coffee now.
 
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When you put it that way, and it's all true, someone could conduct a pretty interesting psychological study on us!
Though the Prof may have us beaten in this department, she's still hoping he'll land it.
Yes, welcome to my mule-y side. Yata the Mule. It can be somewhat annoying but a part of me just refuses to let go.
I also have coffee now.

Can I join you with my tea?
 
Yes! Before you go to sleep hahaha. "He should change the 4S3T!"
What can we do to beat yesterday's 20 pages record :laugh:? Our Yuzu Face Ava Club hopefuls are closer to the goal now!

I'm sorry I defected from the Face Ava Club. Maybe I'll switch back in time. I kind of love my bear head へ lunge right now
 
OK, folks, while there's a temporary lull in the activities (well, compared to yesterday), I'll slip in my NHK 2015 translation.

Hope I don't smother discussion with it - just feel free to carry on. Those who are interested may enjoy reading this.
Yeah, and I remember about GPF 2015 replay. Might get down to it this night!

NHK 2015 SP Russian Eurosport

- … Kovtun comes 4th so far, but let’s wait – we saw how Yuzuru Hanyu skated at his first event, which was Skate Canada. Hanyu had a horrible SP there – he only got 28 points of technical score. He lost nearly all the elements, and he hadn’t received so little for his technical score ever since he was a little kid – only 28 points. But now it’s Japan and weeks have gone by – AND he’s Olympic Champion and World Champion. Frederic Chopin.

- He isn’t doing much, but you can’t take your eyes off him! Oh, the way he kept his balance! He fought hard for it – there was a lean on his Salchow, but he was able to pull out of it.
- Clean! Two Toeloops – 4-3!
- Very clean! He gets a lot of GOE for this combo… 28! He’s hardly behind Boyang Jin’s technical score accumulation pattern, but he’s going to get higher PCS.
- 3A from such a difficult entry.
- He was the first one to execute 3A with such an entry, when he doesn’t follow the classical pattern of going into it on his right foot and then jumping off the left foot. But there’s a little trick there he’s using, he helps himself a bit with his toepick.
- As a rule at the end of the program they have a step sequence.
- Well, he finished his musical piece…
- … like a samurai! Not like it was Chopin!
- … Yes, like Chopin! As if he were famous pianist or composer Frederic Chopin.
- I said, not like it was Chopin!
- Sorry I misheard you!
- With a glare killing his rivals! Look, 59.07!
- Well, he might go over 100.
- Over 100? Of course he will! His personal record is 101.45, but that was in Sochi, during the Olympic Games, and it’s a well known fact that judges give more GOE at World Championships and Olympic Games. But in this case Boyang Jin’s score might affect Yuzuru’s score – Boyang Jin was generously marked in technical score and he was scored very well in components too – his components are on average just under 8: 7.82, 7.93, 7.89, 7.93 – nearly 8! If he adds a little more, Boyang Jin will start receiving components over 8 on average, and then skaters like Yuzuru Hanyu, Patrick Chan and Javier Fernandez will be threatened. That’s a subtle aspect which the judges feel very well, so Hanyu’s marks will be… well, his skating also deserves it, but his score will be high, very generous. Let’s look, that’s his Salchow – with a lean, a bit underrotated. - Oh, will it be downgraded? No, they won’t…
- There’s a slight underrotation…
- There’s one, but it’s less than a quarter of a rotation!
- It’s less than a quarter, that’s right. Let it be half a quarter.
- Now they’re showing us his quad Toeloop, let’s look carefully. I want to see his 3A – he does it so gracefully and so cunningly. This one’s also clean, and this (about 3T)? It’s also clean. He’s such a fantastic skater – he’s got flexibility, extension, lightness, musicality, delicate, yet powerful skating… Look here, (at his 3A) I think he helps himself with his toepick?
- He must have helped himself! He needed to slow down into his jump…
- No, he does accelerate himself with it! (Or assists himself into his 3A). But he’s the only one to jump 3A in this way…
- … the right way is to jump off the toepick.
- An excellent skate from the Olympic Champion.
- Yes, this is excellent in every respect, he exceeds every skater who’s performed in his skating skills, very light gliding, and jumps too, he skated last…
… and in his glare!
- Yeah, he just pierces with his glare! And there he is, smiling as ever, always thanking the ice, his coach, the audience… Well, how much? 100? I don’t there will be a record, he won’t reach 101… 106?! Oh, I’ve miscalculated that much!!! I thought they wouldn’t risk giving him that much! 106!!! In this case they’re telling Boyang Jin: “Get back in line! You’re too young!”
- “Get back in line for now!”, and you see why – this shows the progress in figure skating.
- Well, if he gets 106 now, what score should they give him at the World Championship?
- He has to skate that well there and the judges will be different. There will be a different skate there, and it’s not soon.
- Well, I think if Chan sees this, I think he’s incapable of speaking now!

Thank you for the translation! I've been trying to find Russian commentary with eng sub but it seems so hard..
 
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