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Wow. A point which I'm not sure has been mentioned before but which this clip makes obvious-Shoma has bad alignment in his jumps. The judges can be forgiving with shoddily landed jumps but physics is not forgiving. You can see he lands with a twisted torso and needs to wrench himself into place. That sweeping movement with his right arm when he lands is a balance check. If that's a habit that means he generally lands unbalanced. If he doesn't fix that with all the quads he jumps, he may end up injuring his back and/or his hips. Nathan doesnt have great alignment either but not as bad as Shoma. He doesn't quite get his foot under his centre of gravity so needs to use his free leg swinging from his hip to get back into balance. He should fix that as well or else he'll injure his hip again.
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This is why Kurt Browning mentioned Yuzuru's landing posture sometime ago. That means he understands Yuzuru's great landing posture has a lot to do with good technique and less risky for the body. I also talked with a Russian specialist and she even told me: "Hanyu is built for these quads!"

The pure technique Yuzuru has does not just show with his remakable take-off without pre-rotation in the toe jumps, it also shows at how his body aligns in the landings. When Yuzuru was tired and still had weak stamina (when he was noodle), he did not have enough core strength to maintain his alignment in the landings but he has become much stronger now, thus we see that he has become more secured. Even when Yuzuru was small, his landing and flow in the good jumps were already perfect. This you can not teach. It's natural born.

And not many people really understands it. They only see the number of quads and that's it. And I think this is why Patrick Chan makes remarks about the quad guys. Patrick is NOT a fool. He knows what he is talking about.

A person who does not care about technique even told me, bad technique doesn't matter and that they get the same injuries as people with good technique. She made me laugh all day. The bad technique only helps you get more surgeries later in life.

I think Patrick gets unreasonable hate for what he says. He does have a point about the quads (especially the bad quads) and how they're rewarded regardless of the technique, even though he isn't playing political correctness.
 
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Hmmm :dbana:... I just finished reading around 25 pages ... I missed one day and, bam, +25 pg :shocked:. I thought that if the off season is already here we will slow down a little, but, no, not us :biggrin:.
Anyway, thanks guys for translations, photos and all sorts of information. It was so fun to read. :thank:
I'm happy that we let go the talk about Yuzu vs Shoma and focused on new layouts and costumes (always so exciting to read your opinions, guys). :agree: even if the crazy talk about 2 4Lz in a program and 4A gives me dizziness and headaches. I'm scared and excited in the same time. :hpull:
I look foward to hear if he does or not some shows this off season (the waiting for the next season is far easier that way and being here with you, guys, hepls a lot) I really hope he does (but not too much).
And, great to see that you are here again, Meoima. We all missed you a lot. :)
 
Averburk sumps up the whole WTT in an interview. I dislike the man but he really has some point:
Let us keep in mind the competition took place in Japan. Its' the current market of figure skating, it's so popular there, the ice shows are well attended. Of course they need to keep the interest with the new champions, the results, even in such events. Don't pay attention to those marks - they will be forgotten tomorrow. If at the end of the season it's important how the skater is market by the end of it we are back to the starting point.
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Full translation can be found here.

I know Japanese fans and new fans couldn't stand me for saying this but, realistically, I don't even mind saying WTT is NOT a true competition. And the only Japanese skater who will score well against all odds, even when judges don't want him... is Yuzuru Hanyu.

Yuzuru has no technical flaws that they can harp on. He used to have a bad Flip but his Flip now is very good, in and of difficult transitions. He already has enough reputation as WC and OGM that the judges can not put him down too much. They might score him a bit lower but they can not score him too low because he is that good. What about other skaters? An edge call and UR calls are enough. And their techniques are flawed, they're easy to be attacked once the wind changes? That's the truth.

I am glad Yuzuru has improved his technique to the point they can't harp on him.
 
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Meoima said:
Yuzuru has no technical flaws that they can harp on. He used to have a bad Flip but his Flip now is very good, in and of difficult transitions. He already has enough reputation as WC and OGM that the judges can not put him down too much. They might score him a bit lower but they can not score him too low because he is that good. What about other skaters? An edge call and UR calls are enough. And their techniques are flawed, they're easy to be attacked once the wind changes? That's the truth.
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To be honest, this kind of thing is across every era. You can't be the judges' darling forever. I remembered Yagudin was one, then when Plushy started coming along (esp at the 2000/2001 season) judges were ready to give it to him (of course Yags performing sub-par was a reason too), but at 2002 OG imo he gave no reason to the judges not to crown him the winner (and ofc plushy also made mistake). Yuzuru had his share of being the judges' fave (circa late 13/14;14/15 and 15/16 I'd say), but fresh new faces would always come. But I think as long as he gave no reason to mark him down, judges will not write him off.

Having good technique will always help. Mao did not get so much UR/flutz ding on her early years iirc, but people keep mentioning it over and over and it maybe made the judges more aware and she grew a reputation for that, which made her being scrutinized more eventually and costed her so much in the latter part of her career (others from the Yamada camp who experienced this is Kanako). Tuktamysheva kind of blinded the judges with her 3A and received sky high PCS + winning everything in 14/15, but as new more exciting stars come along, judges become more unforgiving to her PCS mark (SS and TR especially). Chiddy has not been a judges' darling for a while too, but he will always be in the picture due to his exceptional SS and PCS mark + he actually have good jumping technique (sans axel). Some are just loved by judges regardless of how much they screw up too though, I'd say Caro and Javi (for now) is an example.
 
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To be honest, this kind of thing is across every era. You can't be the judges' darling forever. I remembered Yagudin was one, then when Plushy started coming along (esp at the 2000/2001 season) judges were ready to give it to him (of course Yags performing sub-par was a reason too), but at 2002 OG imo he gave no reason to the judges not to crown him the winner (and ofc plushy also made mistake). Yuzuru had his share of being the judges' fave (circa late 13/14;14/15 and 15/16 I'd say), but fresh new faces would always come. But I think as long as he gave no reason to mark him down, judges will not write him off.
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Yeap. I have said this sometimes ago, when Mao came back. I was very skeptical because from my experience, judges never love you too long especially when you're on the 3rd Olympic circle on your career. With Mao it was almost her 4th Olympic circle. No wonder judges and even her own federation didn't give her much respect as she deserved. Sad but it's the reality.

Having good technique will always help. Mao did not get so much UR/flutz ding on her early years iirc, but people keep mentioning it over and over and it maybe made the judges more aware and she grew a reputation for that, which made her being scrutinized more eventually and costed her so much in the latter part of her career (others from the Yamada camp who experienced this is Kanako). Tuktamysheva kind of blinded the judges with her 3A and received sky high PCS + winning everything in 14/15, but as new more exciting stars come along, judges become more unforgiving to her PCS mark (SS and TR especially). Chiddy has not been a judges' darling for a while too, but he will always be in the picture due to his exceptional SS and PCS mark + he actually have good jumping technique (sans axel). Some are just loved by judges regardless of how much they screw up too though, I'd say Caro and Javi (for now) is an example.
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Those who are loved by the judges regardless of their age are Non-Russian Europeans. This is the reality, Carolina, Javi and Alionca Svachenko are the only non-Russian Europeans skaters that have done well and reached to the top/near top. They will always get sympathy and love from the judges because the majority of judges are Europeans.

And I agree with you about Patrick, he isn't loved by the judges anymore but he has outstanding SS and technique so judges can not write him off completely. That's the only way Yuzuru could follow. He has outstanding SS, jump technique and enough reputation to move forward. Yuzuru also has great experience with all of this. He understands that very well, or else he wouldn't have wasted his time to fix his Flip. Now his Flip is good they can't harp on him.
 
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Meoima said:
Yeap. I have said this sometimes ago, when Mao came back. I was very skeptical because from my experience, judges never love you too long especially when you're on the 3rd Olympic circle on your career. With Mao it was almost her 4th Olympic circle. No wonder judges and even her own federation didn't give her much respect as she deserved. Sad but it's the reality.

Those who are loved by the judges regardless of their age are Non-Russian Europeans. This is the reality, Carolina, Javi and Alionca Svachenko are the only non-Russian Europeans skaters that have done well and reached to the top/near top. They will always get sympathy and love from the judges because the majority of judges are Europeans.

And I agree with you about Patrick, he isn't loved by the judges anymore but he has outstanding SS and technique so judges can not write him off completely. That's the only way Yuzuru could follow. He has outstanding SS, jump technique and enough reputation to move forward. Yuzuru also has great experience with all of this. He understands that very well, or else he wouldn't have wasted his time to fix his Flip. Now his Flip is good they can't harp on him.
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Yeah, I can say the same for others who are very prone to strict tech panel and UR/edge calls. Miyahara, Wagner, Pogorilaya, Radionova etc are some of them, they can score between 120-145 even if they land all their jumps, depending on who the tech panel is. You might get lucky one day, but you may not on the other days.

I'd say right now Yuzuru did not get the benefit of the doubt anymore and judges are less forgiving to him (much like Patrick actually), but they will give it to him as long as he land things. One thing is for sure, his grit, his technique, his artistry and his competitiveness (maybe his YOLO-ness too) as a skater will be talked about for decades. Look at midori ito, 1x WC, olympic silver medalist, and is still being gushed over until this very day due to her huge jumps and 3A (and man that YOLO 3A in the second half of her FS at olympic is ICONIC). Noone would remember her actually flopping her jump quite often but that iconic OMG moment stayed in people's mind more than anything. :biggrin:

Anyway you are right about Caro, javi and Aliona lol I just noticed :p
 
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