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I think that even JSF don't want to think about choosing ladies for Oly team yet, it will be such a mess. I'm so sorry for the ladies that will be left home already :drama:

And for Yuzu, I'm just sad that he wanted to train in Japan and working as a team with other skaters for their country, but some people prefer to push rivalries and throwing shade.

I'm hope he really feels how many people around the world love and support him. If I will ever have the chance to see him live I will definetly contribute to pooh rain :laugh:

Ditto on that one. Seems like such a waste.

I think Yuzu is probably is okay with the situation now considering all the craziness surrounding him when he's home. And I also think it's good to live abroad and get some other perspective. Just imagine, if he stayed in Japan we wouldn't be treated to his occasional interviews in English. Also, part of me kind of likes that he trains in the same time zone that I live in. :biggrin:

He definitely knows he has support. His quotes from worlds and how he could see everybody cheering for him in the crowd, not just Japanese fans. And then there is always this gem. No. Lies. Told.
 
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Didn't Yuzu just say in the station tv show that jumping ability doesn't have anything to do with either a young body or experience with age, but requires just right senses and images? Hope Akiko saw that.

And from the translation I saw, she also said that Shoma and Nathan are dangerous to him because they have jumping ability and "skating skills just as good." I'm like, really???:rolleye:

The "not-emotional" comment, oh well. Sure, everyone has their own aesthetics and are entitled to an opinion, but criticizing a different style just because it's not your cup of tea is uncool.

I don't get it. I thought Yuzuru and Akiko were friends? Would you go to the media to criticize your friend? :rolleye: Seriously, what in the world...

Also, the last thing I'd call H&L is not emotional. It's the most emotional free skate this season, IMO. What is isn't, though, is dramatic. There's a difference.
 
I'm a little sad for Boyang, looks like everyone just pass him over. Hope he will continue to medaling not only at Worlds but Olympics too! Yuzu, Javi, Boyang is my dream podium.

Don't be sad. Flying under the radar is what helps him win medals :agree:
Plus, Chinese fed appreciates him for sure.
And that would be my absolutely dream podium, but unfortunately I think Shoma will definitely podium at this rate. If only there could be four people on a podium :drama:
 
Political reasons. They have their own skaters to promote, and in this case Nagoya has Shoma Uno.

If I post my whole chat with a Japanese fan who was pretty much frustrated at how some parts of Japanese media painting Yuzuru as some weakling and outdated skater, it would create some unnecessary drama. Just saying that inside Japan, Yuzuru is surely loved. But there's a potion do not like him for political reasons and they have been under-valuing him from time to time. They lie and give out false/misleading statements many times. But of course they're not the majority.

And of course, their article with photoshopped photos to make things not as they are made me laugh too much. How can they fake photos like that, it's so obvious. Chinese fans pointed that out and were furious. :laugh2:

What are the photos?
 
Don't be sad. Flying under the radar is what helps him win medals :agree:
Plus, Chinese fed appreciates him for sure.
And that would be my absolutely dream podium, but unfortunately I think Shoma will definitely podium at this rate. If only there could be four people on a podium :drama:
I will tell you my prediction that Yuzuru and Boyang will win Olympic medals for sure.
The rest is unknown.
What are the photos?
send me PM ;)
 
Uhm, Now it seems in new Number issue Kozuka is saying almost same , adding that Yuzu needs more practice on his crossroll ...Now it is becoming too amusing , gotta love them :biggrin:

Nagoya has truly displaced the army to the direction of Eastern Japan no ? :laugh:

Ok I think we should also remember that sometimes the media twists words. Anyone who's ever been interviewed by a newspaper knows this :drama: So I'm just gonna sit here in my own reality and believe that the media is trying to push the rivalry and selectively choosing what to publish :slink: Although at this rate, an apology would be nice (I know, it won't happen).
 
No be honest no, It is Yuzuru who is judged by all the standards. Others are maybe just too perfect to be true :biggrin:

I guess subtlety is not really necessary in these internal politics. :rolleye:

Do they, like, comment on any other improvements other skaters need to work on or is it just Yuzu who is lacking in emotion, technique, crossrolls, insert something here....?

Well given there's an entire article about his crossrolls (??), maybe other skaters are just so flawed it's like why bother? :laugh2: The article will take up the entire front page of the New York Times :rofl:

But seriously, seeing how popular skating is in Japan, I'm surprised there are SO FEW Japanese coaches who teach good technique. Like, between Shoma, Satoko, Kanako M., Mao, even Marin (Mai is an exception), I'm not sure they're setting up their skaters for success :think: Maybe that's why they need to politick so hard.

Yuzu is damn lucky he was coached by Shoichiro, because at that age you have basically no say in who coaches you and stuff :ohwell:

ETA: I just wanted to say how absolutely ridiculous it is to criticize his crossrolls. Remember that SBS stroking video? Holy crap no one in the world makes crossovers look so gorgeous and so sexy :drama: I die. If those are nonstandard crossrolls, Yuzu, please never change :biggrin:
 
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He definitely knows he has support. His quotes from worlds and how he could see everybody cheering for him in the crowd, not just Japanese fans. And then there is always this gem. No. Lies. Told.

Nothing to do with the current discussion but i just love to know that he felt all our support (i count myself because even though my voice couldn't reach him, i hope my feelings somehow did) and it helped him to regain his confidence. Let's send him triple the love next season :luv17:
 
Here is the translation of Akiko's article : https://speakeasy8.tumblr.com/post/160014817538/010-suzuki-a

And frankly, even if I don't agree with her on several points, I find it totally unfair to portray this article that badly. What I read is more worry about him than the blind bashing I've been reading about these last hours. She mentions Nathan and Shoma's PCs, not their artistry. And she seems to miss the passionate Yuzuru, which is her right ?
 
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Ok I think we should also remember that sometimes the media twists words. Anyone who's ever been interviewed by a newspaper knows this :drama: So I'm just gonna sit here in my own reality and believe that the media is trying to push the rivalry and selectively choosing what to publish :slink: Although at this rate, an apology would be nice (I know, it won't happen).

Yes to this - honestly, for Kozuka pointing out Yuzu's crossrolls (!!!), he must think that evrything else is perfect :)
Anyway, before Judging him, I'd like to read a proper translation of the article where he was cited...
 
I've been thinking deeply about the reception of H&L. I myself didn't connect to it for a while. It was a slow burn, but I've come to prefer it to Seimei, which really shocks me given how quick and passionately I fell in love with that program.

We've discussed Yuzu's talk with Brian after SC, and how he proved to be right about adding the quad loop. But I believe Brian was also right that he needed to focus on improving the overall skating. Yuzu wanted to master the jumps first, and then attend to the artistic impression. But, however impossible, he needed to do both. Jump mistakes break the delicate spell of H&L, but the spell cannot be woven only with perfect jumps.

By presenting an incomplete product, he made room for a muted first impression. Of course it's unfair—programs are supposed to evolve over the season, but in this case, because of his unique position, it became ammunition against him that he was "unemotional." It seems like Yuzu did listen to Brian, because for me the first half at NHK (before the combo of doom) started to work. YOLO 4CC, while it had emotions of its own, I don't think they were the ones the music asked for.

I think the design of the piece was maximized for the live experience, but not the tv one. It is at the mercy of the camera operator. Unfortunate camera angles obscure subtle gestural details in the step sequence. At Worlds this was my favorite part of the program, but at home, I sometimes zone out, because it looks like less is happening due to the camera work. Also, as this thread educated me, the pattern across the ice is a significant part of the beauty, and that is only seen in fancams, not traditional broadcasts.

Even live, my experience of the piece was more about atmosphere than emotion. I didn't cry; I felt like I was taken to another place. I was watching him fly, because he was not bound to the ground. The air changed and it was more fresh and clear. Watching was like smelling a temporary bloom of spring flowers, a beauty that is almost pain, because you want it to last forever and it won't. It was an enveloping, inward atmosphere, not one that drives outward, through the tv screen.

I respect him so much for pursuing such a concept. Probably it is an artistic statement too advanced for the sport of figure skating as it currently exists, which relies on short cuts (mime, characters and warhorses). Nor is show skating often as sophisticated as it should be, relying instead on cheap and cheesy extroversion or schmaltzy tearjerkers (especially in North America—Smuckers Stars on Ice *cringe*). But some commentators did understand H&L; the Hungarian and French Worlds commentary shows so. Judges though, usually seem to be far behind not only the avant garde but even the general public in their tastes. So he must pander to them next year.

Yes...thank you for these words.

Beauty on ice, like pain, vanishing...very advanced art. I felt so, too.

And very hard to catch on something like a tv-screen. There is one fancam from high above in the arena, which at least captures some of his movements in space., across the rink.

Anyway, before going to Helsinki, my younger sister suddenly decided to go with me, just for sightseeing, not to go to the Arena. She watched fs in her younger years, just like me, and I remember, when I told her why I would be going to Helsinki, and about seeing THIS skater live, and why it was absolutely important for me to go, she asked: "well, does he get some medals then?"

You know, she grew up on this distinction: skaters who were "artistic", but mostly failed on jumps and did not get gold, and skaters who were boring, athletic, and won. She always loved the "artistic" ones, and was always frustated they were not getting gold.

So I sat her through a session of videos, in chronological order, from Nice onward, and she now recognizes Yuzuru for what he is, and I told her: yes, he is our Olympic champion of 2014 -AND and an artist!!!:)



About Hope and Legacy, she at once grasped, that his performance not really "clicked" with the music at the beginning of the season. And she understood that everyone one waiting for it to "click".

And then - for me- it clicked and is the most beautiful thing I ever felt and saw, and yes, I think it is avant-garde, art, probably not understood by judges or so...but let them be!:)

I love it.

(I still have to show my sister the cams and videos of Helsinki, I will be happy on this day to share it:))

..by the way, about Seimei she said: " he projects such power, how does he do it, he is so thin?" She was very smitten - she has a son in Yuzu´s age, and she loved him looking so young in Nice:):)

Reception of Hope and Legacy is for me somehow mesmerizing, I feel drawn in, hypnotized, everytime I watch it. Very unusual..and I keep thinking of water plants moving in the current..
 
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Here is the translation of Akiko's article : https://speakeasy8.tumblr.com/post/160014817538/010-suzuki-a

And frankly, even if I don't agree with her on several points, I find it totally unfair to portray this article that badly. What I read is more worry about him than the blind bashing I've been reading about these last hours. She mentions Nathan and Shoma's PCs, not their artistry. And she seems to miss the passionate Yuzuru, which is her right ?

Thank you, I feel people should really read first the original article before getting all fired up. It gets crazy here so easily.
and btw I feel like some people here are quite extreme about others views on Yuzuru, like if someone says something remotely negative about him people are ready to call that person a hater and such, I'll never understand why.
 
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Here is the translation of Akiko's article : https://speakeasy8.tumblr.com/post/160014817538/010-suzuki-a

And frankly, even if I don't agree with her on several points, I find it totally unfair to portray this article that badly. What I read is more worry about him than the blind bashing I've been reading about these last hours. She mentions Nathan and Shoma's PCs, not their artistry. And she seems to miss the passionate Yuzuru, which is her right ?

Translators, like everyone else who utilize words, have their own agenda. Can you bet that this English translation is truer to the original than what others have seen? Take a look at the general reaction of the Japanese fans on twitter (and they are mostly very mild mannered and don't easily criticize anyone).
 
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Here is the translation of Akiko's article : https://speakeasy8.tumblr.com/post/160014817538/010-suzuki-a

And frankly, even if I don't agree with her on several points, I find it totally unfair to portray this article that badly. What I read is more worry about him than the blind bashing I've been reading about these last hours. She mentions Nathan and Shoma's PCs, not their artistry. And she seems to miss the passionate Yuzuru, which is her right ?

Thank you, I feel people should really read first the original article before getting all fired up. It gets crazy here so easily.
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Translators, like everyone else who utilize words, have their own agenda. Can you bet that this English translation is truer to the original than what others have seen? Take a look at the general reaction of the Japanese fans on twitter (and they are mostly very mild mannered and don't easily criticize anyone).

Exactly.
 
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Translators, like everyone else who utilize words, have their own agenda. Take a look at the general reaction of the Japanese fans on twitter (and they are mostly very mild mannered and don't easily criticize anyone).

Perhaps... But I have yet to see a post criticizing the translation - I may be wrong.

I think even with this translation, there's much to discuss about and to disagree with (and btw it's being discussed by bloggers I like a lot right now) - but I think everyone should judge by himself and not trust words that were twisted or taken out of context.
Saying that Akiko is wrong, or that you trongly disagree with what she's saying, is not the same as saying she's betraying Yuzuru and pushing Shoma. Nuances matter.
 
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Actually I really don't care what other people say about yuzu after all yuzu has knocked them out again and again and life goes on as it was


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Sometimes one just wants to come here to read if there is something new about Yuzuru or to check pictures etc, and then you find like 6 or 8 pages full of :curse:. I've said this already and I understand this place is open for any kind of people but it gets tiring sometimes, welp. Sorry for the small rant, I just feel sad this place gets tooooo crazy sometimes and I can't enjoy it fully.
Anyway just saw his FS from Worlds reached 1,000,000 views, I'll celebrate by watching it again and again :love:
 
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