Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Yatagarasu]

Thank you, I feel people should really read first the original article before getting all fired up.

Some of us have actually, imagine that, as soon as it got out. And all the Japanese people who are unhappy with this, I suppose haven't read it or don't speak their own language?

And yes, in my opinion both Kozuka and Akiko are selling the same product for their Nagoya bosses. No, I won't like that one bit. You're welcome to of course.

 

[azeemoss]

Translators, like everyone else who utilize words, have their own agenda. Can you bet that this English translation is truer to the original than what others have seen? Take a look at the general reaction of the Japanese fans on twitter (and they are mostly very mild mannered and don't easily criticize anyone).

Yeah the first several comments that fight back for yuzu have gained some 1000 thumb ups 6 hours before.They are very angry about the comments from Akiko on yuzu.That's the truth


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[Li'Kitsu]

Translators, like everyone else who utilize words, have their own agenda. Can you bet that this English translation is truer to the original than what others have seen? Take a look at the general reaction of the Japanese fans on twitter (and they are mostly very mild mannered and don't easily criticize anyone).

+100000
Like Yata just said too - some people here want to tell the Japanese people who read it that say just don't understand their own language and intentions written there as well as they do - from a translation into a different language? Well...

 

[Hanmgse]

Some of us have actually, imagine that, as soon as it got out. And all the Japanese people who are unhappy with this, I suppose haven't read it or don't speak their own language?

And yes, in my opinion both Kozuka and Akiko are selling the same product for their Nagoya bosses. No, I won't like that one bit. You're welcome to of course.

I just feel it's not that deep as some of you think it is

 

[narcissa]

I also think it's fine, Yuzuru is a big boy, if he gets bothered by politics and criticism he wouldn't be in a judged sport that feeds on/monetizes on drama

 

[azeemoss]

I woke up with the beautiful music of H&L in my ears and Yuzu's dazzling performance at Worlds in my eyes, feeling so peaceful and happy. Then I went to my favourite place called Yuzuru Hanyu Fan Fest and learnt that my favourite male skater of all time was criticised by my favourite female Japanese skater of all time

What is the definition of emotional in your dictionary, Akiko? I still like you and I'm not going to judge you by this article but I will keep an eye out for you, just in case

H&L is my favourite programme of all time. It's so emotional that it makes me cry every time I watch it :sad21: It's soft, calm, tender, spiritual, sensitive, warm, strong, loving, pure... I love everything about this masterpiece and everything he does in H&L

I had been trying to convince my parents what a genius Yuzu was since the season 2008-2009. For my mum, it was easy to recognise his lyrical skating, artistry and musicality since she had always been a fan of figure skating in ladies and men, and she soon started rooting for him.

My dad who believed beauty could come only from female skaters never got Yuzu and thought he was just a fragile kid who collapsed on the ice after his performance all the time. He had always been like that, tending to skip most men and watch ladies, until this season. It wasn't Nice R&J. It wasn't his Olympic gold medal. It wasn't Seimei. It was H&L that finally made him realised how phenomenal Yuzu is both artistically and technically. He says Yuzu is just extraordinary, beyond comparison, in another league, and he feels sorry for the rest of men because Yuzu's elegant, beautiful and emotional skating makes them look like they are only executing elements on the ice. Now he tends to skip most ladies and watch Yuzu.

It was a very long way for me, but I'm satisfied now. Mission accomplished. Thank you, Yuzu for showing us H&L. It was a pure gift

Oh your words make me cry


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[Li'Kitsu]

I also think it's fine, Yuzuru is a big boy, if he gets bothered by politics and criticism he wouldn't be in a judged sport that feeds on/monetizes on drama

Eeeehhhhhh... didn't the treatment he got after he won 2012 nationals make him at least want to take a break from skating for a while?

I'm pretty sure either way he's not exactly in skating because he enjoys the drama.

 

[Camillo]

What are the photos?

Probably, photos of Shoma's quads frame by frame at Sponichi and other sources. Editors make it huuuge almost like Yuzu's jumps. But when you look closely at the ladies in the public being duplicated again and again you understand the real distance of that 4F.

http://i.imgur.com/rXrrxGW.jpg

 

[narcissa]

Eeeehhhhhh... didn't the treatment he got after he won 2012 nationals make him at least want to take a break from skating for a while?

I'm pretty sure either way he's not exactly in skating because he enjoys the drama.

Really?

Well, I know he's not in it for the drama, but hopefully he's used to it by now. Criticism is about 1% of the news out there about Yuzuru anyway, and I'm sure he realizes his popularity probably draws jealousy from others. His popularity is no joke, lol.

I'm inclined to think Akiko is his friend so something must have been misinterpreted, but maybe I'm just overly optimistic If it wasn't Akiko I would be ready to draw out the pitchforks

 

[narcissa]

Probably, photos of Shoma's quads frame by frame at Sponichi and other sources. Editors make it huuuge almost like Yuzu's jumps. But when you look closely at the ladies in the public being duplicated again and again you understand the real distance of that 4F.

http://i.imgur.com/rXrrxGW.jpg

Dude, photoshop 101 lol. Also, even with photoshop, Shoma's jump looks about half as high as Yuzu's. They didn't bother stretching it vertically? Y'know, make Shoma look 6 feet tall

 

[Altie]

Some of us have actually, imagine that, as soon as it got out. And all the Japanese people who are unhappy with this, I suppose haven't read it or don't speak their own language?
And yes, in my opinion both Kozuka and Akiko are selling the same product for their Nagoya bosses. No, I won't like that one bit. You're welcome to of course.

You have. But plenty of other people (on tumblr for instance) don't understand japanese and have to believe people stating strong opinions and not judging by themselves from the facts. Today's discussion on this forum has spread quickly, and been twisted to make it more dramatical. Some people just assume the worse is always the truth, or just love drama, Idk. Even japanese. In western countries fans are very quick to misinterpret ords taken out of context without reading the sources, I don't see why japanese fans would be different, even if they are more calm and polite than others. I do'nt see how the so-called "Hanyu VS Shoma" rivalry wouldn't affect them, especially after the scoring at Worlds...
and twitter is 128 characters, ffs - it's impossible to have a nuanced debate on twitter !

However, you read in this article a Nagoya agenda, and you may be right. What I read is a sincere but misplaced worry about someone who cares for him. I think both interpretations are valid, and, while we'll have to agree to disagree, in any case it's blowing out of proportions, imho.

 

[fishheadanon]

I also think it's fine, Yuzuru is a big boy, if he gets bothered by politics and criticism he wouldn't be in a judged sport that feeds on/monetizes on drama

He's in this sport because he loves skating and he's good at it? Just because he's classy and doesn't engage in media manipulation and overt politicking doesn't mean he's fine with it, or that fans shouldn't say anything when he's attacked like this.

 

[Altie]

+100000
Like Yata just said too - some people here want to tell the Japanese people who read it that say just don't understand their own language and intentions written there as well as they do - from a translation into a different language? Well...

Wow, you were quick to interpret my words ! I never said anything about japanese fans, I was talking about people on this forum and on Tumblr.

And really I don't think you can say who's "right" or "wrong" because there was some kind of internet shitstorm, really... am I too naive in thinking that people are intelligent and can make their own opinion from facts, rather than following an emotional outburst on social medias ?

 

[Pamigena]

some people here want to tell the Japanese people who read it that say just don't understand their own language and intentions written there as well as they do - from a translation into a different language? Well...

Some people here were ready to bash Akiko over the head before even seeing a translation. I asked for one and was told that there wasn't one. Google translate? Yeah right, that will give you the nuances that we're now apparently arguing about. So, there was a translation and I just wasn't on the list to see it? Because otherwise people's initial outrage was based on "Japanese fans read it and didn't like it, so full bash ahead". And yes, even if I base my opinion on a translation (since I don't have any other choice) I would still like the opportunity to form my own opinion and not just adopt the opinion of other people, no matter how many likes those angry tweets get. Those who scream the loudest aren't always the ones who are right.

And without even arguing if the outrage is justified in this case: I agree with Hanmgse that this is how this thread operates way too often. Somebody says something even remotely negative about Yuzuru or doesn't quit their day job to do nothing but praise him all day, and some people will just go ballistic. It's tiresome and annoying.

 

[omurice]

I've been using this picture as my lock screen recently

As for the article... I can't read the original so I'm not really sure how to interpret it. Maybe I'm being naive but I don't really understand the point of using it for the purpose of politicking, is it really going to influence judges' opinions and change anything in that regard? The most I see it doing is maybe having some effect on perception of the general public, but I'm sure Yuzu has more supporters than naysayers.

 

[narcissa]

He's in this sport because he loves skating and he's good at it? Just because he's classy and doesn't engage in media manipulation and overt politicking doesn't mean he's fine with it, or that fans shouldn't say anything when he's attacked like this.

By all means, I'm glad he has so many passionate fans who defend him when he gets attacked. I'm sure it's a very good buffer for him when something does bother him -- all he has to do is go on twitter/the internet to know there are way more people who support him than criticize him. I'm really grateful for everyone who shows their support even if I think it's an overreaction.

I personally just don't see anything different than the same old here, so I'm not all that angry (yet). At least, I'm saving up my capacity to feel before I run out of adrenaline and go completely numb. I'll need it next season

I'm also just really shocked that Akiko would do that and want to believe she meant well

 

[Altie]

Some people here were ready to bash Akiko over the head before even seeing a translation. I asked for one and was told that there wasn't one. Google translate? Yeah right, that will give you the nuances that we're now apparently arguing about. So, there was a translation and I just wasn't on the list to see it? Because otherwise people's initial outrage was based on "Japanese fans read it and didn't like it, so full bash ahead". And yes, even if I base my opinion on a translation (since I don't have any other choice) I would still like the opportunity to form my own opinion and not just adopt the opinion of other people, no matter how many likes those angry tweets get. Those who scream the loudest aren't always the ones who are right.

And without even arguing if the outrage is justified in this case: I agree with Hanmgse that this is how this thread operates way too often. Somebody says something even remotely negative about Yuzuru or doesn't quit their day job to do nothing but praise him all day, and some people will just go ballistic. It's tiresome and annoying.

+1000

 

[raebia]

Hello everyone,

my two cents: I came home from work today and read about this article and its translation, and then the translation itself. It seemed to me a try at cool, intellectual analysis, perhaps misplaced in time, I dont know about politics and such.

At the same time I got thinking about reception of Hope and Legacy after reading beki's thoughts.

A roller - coaster

Now, before going to bed, I think: Hope and Legacy inspires me with its art, its images of plants moving in water...hypnotizes me.

At the same time, the situation itself in Helsinki was dramatic and chilled my blood with tension!

There was much drama in the air that day in the Arena, and calm and nature on the ice..

What great times to witness!

And it is surely not easy to reconcile all these feelings, these impressions..


Happy greetings,

Raebia

Edit: at one moment, late in the programme, I felt he was going for gold, as improbable as it seemed at the moment- his power came through, so it felt to me, and I was even more chilled but his art stayed the same, the programme did not suffer. Great.

 

[fishheadanon]

Some people here were ready to bash Akiko over the head before even seeing a translation. I asked for one and was told that there wasn't one. Google translate? Yeah right, that will give you the nuances that we're now apparently arguing about. So, there was a translation and I just wasn't on the list to see it? Because otherwise people's initial outrage was based on "Japanese fans read it and didn't like it, so full bash ahead". And yes, even if I base my opinion on a translation (since I don't have any other choice) I would still like the opportunity to form my own opinion and not just adopt the opinion of other people, no matter how many likes those angry tweets get. Those who scream the loudest aren't always the ones who are right.

i just want to meekly point out, plenty of people on this thread do read Japanese. Those people, however, aren't the ones who're now telling others how to feel or characterizing others as "screaming" etc etc. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, what's the point of having a fan thread if you can't react to info coming out about skaters?

 

[AppleEmperor]

I never understand when people say that Yuzuru's skating isn't emotional. H&L especially, is a program about him and it feels like he's pouring his whole heart onto the ice. Sure, he doesn't give that much face in the program, but it would feel wrong if he did. H&L is a quiet, reflective piece and it would feel wrong if he was constantly making faces of anguish or something.