Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Yatagarasu]

The news about his split with Shae came out of the blue. However, even if the source is a kind of gossip magazine, I find the remarriage with DW makes sense considering his experiences and his achievement so far about making a programs which is sure to win.

Seimei remains to most people his top program, and H&L though not everyone's cup of tea, a thing of beauty that did bring him the gold medal in Helsinki (not to mention, again, the problem isn't the choreo there, it's the music). So I don't see how it'd make more sense to go with DW in order to win? It's not like he hasn't been 'winning' with Shae's programs?

 

[Yoa]

I know, I'm just thinking of all possibilities here, especially if there's another reason we don't know of. Seriously, even the thought of it makes me so sad. There's no one better! :sad21:

I am pretty sure he will still work with Jeff. But I am not so sure about Shae But maybe it's a good idea to stop working with her. It will be hard for her to top SEIMEI. It's a program that become a burder for both her and Yuzu. But I love POTO, Seimei and H&L so I don't want them to stop working together. But I guess it's better to work with Wilson than with someone he has never worked before. But David is already working with Javi (both SP and FS) and will probably work with Patrick and gazillion other skaters. How many good programs David can make in the same season? :/

 

[fishheadanon]

Are we taking tabloid as fact now? If so Yuzu has been having an affair with Nobu... or maybe he's already married his "high school sweetheart." We don't know anything until some credible news show up, I wouldn't worry so much.

 

[xibsuarz]

DW made a wonderful job with Notte Stellata, but the competitive programs he made for Yuzu were not as great. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that he didn't chose the music: NDDP came as a compromise with Yuzu and his admiration to Johnny (since he didn't want to do POTO after just doing Patrick's), and R&J2.0 because of the letter he wrote asking him. I think he is great choreographer, but perhaps not the best for Yuzu's competitive programs. It's the Olympic season so I don't think he can risk it much, it would be more convenient to go with Shae Lynn, she has adapted more to what Yuzu wants as a performer and as an athlete
And after all those touching words he said about Yuzu and what he wanted to achieve with H&L, idk guess I have a bit of a soft spot for her work (and she helped made those enormous scores possible).

But Fayruza is right, let's not panic until we know for sure. We know how tabloids can make up things out of thin air.

 

[Fayruza]

Hey, can we leave the panic until later? We don't have anything that might be called news.
And changing choreographers isn't exactly a divorce. Yuzu can go back to Shae Lynn if he wants to.

 

[Hannah555]

Copied from Evgenia fan fest

Press conference

"To Tutberidze: is there a single skater you would love to work with?
Tutberidze :Hanuy."

"Which skater inspires you the most?
Medvedeva: wow...
Tutberidze: Hanuy
Medvedeva: well, there you go. No reason to hide now."

:agree:

 

[Killaa]

I gotta say that speculation news is funny though, they said "split" as if Shae is his coach or sth, cmiiw but I don't think you "split" with a choreographer. More like simply working with someone else. and "insider source"? XD

 

[hamaguri]

Seimei remains to most people his top program, and H&L though not everyone's cup of tea, a thing of beauty that did bring him the gold medal in Helsinki (not to mention, again, the problem isn't the choreo there, it's the music). So I don't see how it'd make more sense to go with DW in order to win? It's not like he hasn't been 'winning' with Shae's programs?

Especially, this season's HL, i found the biggest problem was it couldnt earn more scores considering the technical difficulty. it's simply because this kind of meditational program was difficult to understand for some people and judges. it's very disadvantageous. It's crucial for as many people as possible to get the picture of program about new season.
I really hope he shall get a kind of "007" this season. Even if the piece is a warhorse, as long as it attracts the maximum amout of people, it's all right...
To make a winning program, i think David has more expressions than Shae, i feel. Of course, it's my personal view...

 

[lilsailor]

I am pretty sure he will still work with Jeff. But I am not so sure about Shae But maybe it's a good idea to stop working with her. It will be hard for her to top SEIMEI. It's a program that become a burder for both her and Yuzu. But I love POTO, Seimei and H&L so I don't want them to stop working together. But I guess it's better to work with Wilson than with someone he has never worked before. But David is already working with Javi (both SP and FS) and will probably work with Patrick and gazillion other skaters. How many good programs David can make in the same season? :/

i agree completely, every program they do together will be constantly compared to SEIMEI, even H&L was

 

[beki]

He might adapt Notte Stellata, and of course that's David's work. I think it would work better as a short. Honestly, to me Jeff has earned a chance at doing Yuzu's long. No matter what, we don't need to panic. These are experienced people at the top of their profession, all winners. The relationship between Yuzu and Shae will remain lovely.

 

[narcissa]

Hmm :think: David Wilson's programs for Yuna were one of my favorite programs ever, but most of them are short programs: Danse Macabre, Send in the Clowns love, Giselle, and Bond was good too. But I never connected with her LPs as much except for Homage to Korea, which is still one of the most beautiful LPs I've ever seen. Les Mis and Gershwin are two of her most celebrated longs, and they were nice but I didn't connect with them emotionally.

By the way, Tango de Roxanne is also one of my favorite Yuna shorts, on par with the other programs I listed, and that was not choreographed by David. But I understand that Yuna is the type of person who needs to feel comfortable and tends to stick to what works, and she felt very comfortable with David emotionally, and he for sure made her his #1 priority.

I can sort of see Yuzuru dropping Shae-Lynn. I really hope he doesn't though. Sure, Phantom wasn't the best, and H&L didn't have an amazing reception, but the latter wasn't intended to be a showstopper the way Seimei and LGC were, so I'm sure they could come up with something amazing and original if they tried. But yeah, I don't think DW understands Yuzu himself, he seems to have a style of choreographing and every skater he works for gets the same stuff, whereas Shae-Lynn really tries to match the skater's style, like if you looked her stuff for Yuzu vs. Ashley it's like you would never know they were by the same choreographer.

I hope he shall never drop Jeff as long as he skates (even if he wants to try something new, at least have him choreograph an EX!) because everything that comes out there is a masterpiece for the ages. Chopin, PW, LGC...these are programs that will be watched in 100 years if skating still exists. Actually, why not get Jeff to choreograph both programs?

i agree completely, every program they do together will be constantly compared to SEIMEI, even H&L was

True, but I think if they went about it with the intention to upseat Seimei, they could do it. Just get a dramatic but unique piece of music with multiple "passages" and I think Yuzuru can work his magic.

 

[narcissa]

i agree completely, every program they do together will be constantly compared to SEIMEI, even H&L was

I have not finish reading this yet :shocked:

"yuzuru-hanyu-makes-decision-to-split-with-his choreographer"

EDIT: MY APOLOGIES!!! I FINISHED READING IT...THE STATEMENT IS NOT MADE BY YUZU, BUT BY AN INSIDER. UNTIL WE HEAR FROM YUZU HIMSELF, THIS IS UNCONFIRMED.

BTW, the article has been deleted from this tumblr, so I can't read it.

Why did it get deleted, I wonder? Because it's false??

 

[giulia95]

IIRC Tango de Roxanne was choreographed by Tom Dickson

No surprise about rumors since DW expressed the wish to work with Yuzu again..

 

[narcissa]

IIRC Tango de Roxanne was choreographed by Tom Dickson

No surprise about rumors since DW expressed the wish to work with Yuzu again..

You're right. Papa, Can You Hear Me? was choreographed by Jeff Buttle.

 

[Yoa]

Are we taking tabloid as fact now? If so Yuzu has been having an affair with Nobu... or maybe he's already married his "high school sweetheart." We don't know anything until some credible news show up, I wouldn't worry so much.

What?! His affair with Nobu isn't real?!
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[Yatagarasu]

Copied from Evgenia fan fest

Press conference

"To Tutberidze: is there a single skater you would love to work with?
Tutberidze :Hanuy."

"Which skater inspires you the most?
Medvedeva: wow...
Tutberidze: Hanuy
Medvedeva: well, there you go. No reason to hide now."

:agree:

You go ladies, you go. I love those two. Seriously though, I love the way Eteri respects him!

Especially, this season's HL, i found the biggest problem was it couldnt earn more scores considering the technical difficulty. it's simply because this kind of meditational program was difficult to understand for some people and judges. it's very disadvantageous. It's crucial for as many people as possible to get the picture of program about new season.
I really hope he shall get a kind of "007" this season. Even if the piece is a warhorse, as long as it attracts the maximum amout of people, it's all right...
To make a winning program, i think David has more expressions than Shae, i feel. Of course, it's my personal view...

Yes but that's hardly Shae's fault. H&L's choreography is perfect in terms of the music. I find this sort of revisionism really odd.

It's just that the music is far more introspective, and the whole program is really turned inward, so it's bound to be so-so in terms of reception. General audience especially, they're not going to get into something too deeply if at best, they watch Worlds and perhaps their Nationals. To them, skaters come and go, and they have no clue what's behind the music and choreography; they get easily swept away by the rah rah music and that's that. But then, change the music and I am sure Shae will have no issues with choreographing another Seimei.

Yes, we'll agree to disagree on David having more expressions than Shae. He did fine with the Swan, a program that I love, but isn't anywhere near the complexity a competition program must have so the freedom he had was absolute. I find him to mostly produce 'off the rack' stuff in terms of choreography, apart from a few notable exceptions. The biggest problem really, because for Yuzuru, the personal always plays a big part, instead of the generic.

 

[xeyra]

Totally off-topic but this conversation reminds me of this strange dream I had last night. Yuzuru was skating the LGC encore with his R&J2 costume. To his credit the boobskirt fluttered very impressively when he was doing the knee slide. But it was so weird because his hair was done in LGC style. He still looked crazy good though (perhaps I'm just biased).

I'm not going to lie that I'm curious what DW will produce for the current Yuzuru but I prefer him to stick to Shae. I don't know how to say it but the elements in Shae's programs seem to match the rhythm of the music better and imo it really highlights Yuzuru's musicality.

This reminded me of a tweet I found on the interwebs that's relevant to this. Enjoy!

 

[liv]

I was meh about David's competitive work with Yuzuru.... but he says he needs to get to know a skater to improve the choreo year after year. For me, years before most of you fell for Yuna, his long programs for Jeff Buttle were amazing, so complex, so detailed...I love samson and delilah etc... Maybe it was jeff's brilliance coming out that made them work, but Jeff was young and David was the choreographer so...

 

[hamaguri]

You go ladies, you go. I love those two. Seriously though, I love the way Eteri respects him!



Yes but that's hardly Shae's fault. H&L's choreography is perfect in terms of the music. I find this sort of revisionism really odd.

It's just that the music is far more introspective, and the whole program is really turned inward, so it's bound to be so-so in terms of reception. General audience especially, they're not going to get into something too deeply if at best, they watch Worlds and perhaps their Nationals. To them, skaters come and go, and they have no clue what's behind the music and choreography; they get easily swept away by the rah rah music and that's that. But then, change the music and I am sure Shae will have no issues with choreographing another Seimei.

Yes, we'll agree to disagree on David having more expressions than Shae. He did fine with the Swan, a program that I love, but isn't anywhere near the complexity a competition program must have so the freedom he had was absolute. I find him to mostly produce 'off the rack' stuff in terms of choreography, apart from a few notable exceptions. The biggest problem really, because for Yuzuru, the personal always plays a big part, instead of the generic.

It may somewhat make sense. I find Shae’s jobs for the past three seasons were almost perfect in terms of interpretation of music and she offered the almost best programs against the pieces which he’d brought to her. Further, her view as a woman (personally, I find his compatibility more with a female choreographer like Nanami-sensei) was effective for him (When he got POTO, he had been trying to play both a man and a woman (Christine), but Shae prepared a man part only. But the manly and sexy but at the same time soft and tender program was able to draw his attraction in the span around from his age of 19 to 20, the transition time from a boy to a man.
Shae’s attitudes with his programs were thoughtful and considerate as long as I've seen her interviews.

Anyway, i already feel a fear to imagine the excitement of this thread when his new programs are announced. lol. This thread will move more rapidly!

 

[Li'Kitsu]

You forgot Rach 2 or Bolero or Swan Lake programs or feeling good or (insert other warhorse here)

Anyway Yuzuru can make RnJ until 4.0 version if he wants. There is still tchaikovsky and prokofiev if he like himself some more RnJ

Since he was basically Romeo in 2012 and Juliette in 2014, what will he be for R&J3? The dagger?
Now that would be an amazing outfit!


Major and @ Eteri & Evgenia, say about programs or scores whatever you want, but they do have flawless taste there!


And thank you very much Sally & Neenah for your kind posts regarding the video!