Yuzuru Hanyu: 2017-2018

[Marin]

The quad toe-loop, the quad salchow, the quad loop, the quad lutz, the quad axel and the especially beautiful quad lip I'd wager

Seriously though, Brian, you tease - showing, not telling, okay?!

Did not Max Ambesi say he landed and rotated quad axels on training ?

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Did not Max Ambesi say he landed and rotated quad axels on training ?

Yep, and I trust the man who got us the Seimei rumors first and early.

The funnier thing is that that's less of a "hard to believe" for me than the 4F

 

[Yatagarasu]

The funnier thing is that that's less of a "hard to believe" for me than the 4F

Same!
Quad Axel? Sure. Quad flip? Really?! Eeeeh.

 

[giulia95]

it seems the only place in the world where Yuzu is really protected is his beloved Sendai :rofl2:

 

[Ender]

This one was published today and people who have already read it are saying that Orser says Yuzuru has been jumping all types of quad. (why am I not surprised ) Unfortunately my bookstore didn't sell this magazine (or it had been already sold out, actually I went to three bookstores but I couldn't find it), so I'll wait for the report

※I edited a word "landing" to "jumping".

I have no doubt that he has landed 4lz and 4A. But 4F?? Well it will be flat edge I am almost 100% sure if he ever lands a 4F. But overall I think we shall see a 4A from him than a 4F.

 

[Sorrento]

My hope is that he adds 4Lz to his active weapons this season. Other quads like 4A and 4F... aren't ready, let's be honest. Couple of glorious attempts don't make them activated.
Lots of skaters produce wonders in a training process, very few can repeat those during an actual competition.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

^ Nobody said either of them were ready or "activated", it was mostly joking around IMO.

That said though, "a couple of glorious attempts in practice" regarding a Quad Axel is huge news. That's a monster where people are still speculation if it's even humanly possible or not. So if Yuzu has indeed landed just one in practice, that's big for me. And it makes me more excited and impatient to see it (even if "just" as a practice video) then news about another quad lutz/flip/loop when we've already seen some of those, even if they'd be in competition. YMMV.

 

[Yatagarasu]

That said though, "a couple of glorious attempts in practice" regarding a Quad Axel is huge news. That's a monster where people are still speculation if it's even humanly possible or not. So if Yuzu has indeed landed just one in practice, that's big for me.

I am in some weird state of duality where half of me is already in the post-Olys period because s---ding heck, Quad Axel you know? It's always been this mystical stuff of legends almost, up to the point where I went through the years with the idea of dangerous first, almost impossible second, and now we may actually see it. I don't even care under what circumstances, though obviously I'm aware he probably wants it in competition, but just seeing this Loch Ness monster of a jump would make my entire skating experience.

The other side is of course excited for the Lz (I cannot wait to see it, it should probably be big and lovely), the Olys, and all but that first half keeps poking at the second half

 

[Sorrento]

Yeah Li'Kitsu, I don't get excited about practice attempts because if they aren't validated in real competition then they do not make part of figure skating history. That is what more important for me. That his 4A will be validated by ISU. I know he said he would attempt it in a non-competition environment but... knowing his nature and desire to be the first... 4A should be done in competition. And honestly- he and nobody else now- has the best technique to prove 4A is humanly possible.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Yeah Li'Kitsu, I don't get excited about practice attempts because if they aren't validated in real competition then they do not make part of figure skating history. That is what more important for me. That his 4A will be validated by ISU. I know he said he would attempt it in a non-competition environment but... knowing his nature and desire to be the first... 4A should be done in competition. And honestly- he and nobody else now- has the best technique to prove 4A is humanly possible.

Of course only actual competition will make the landed jump skating history, and it is perfectly fine if you're not excited for the practice stuff. I just wanted to point out that some of us might be super hyper excited for the practice stuff and still be aware that competition ready is still a far way to go
I'm sure too though he'll want the 4A in competition, if he feels anywhere close to being able to do it. It would certainly fit him to be the first ever to land a 4A. Keeping fingers & toes crossed for lots of health for Yuzu, and the rest will come.


And Yata, I feel you, I feel you. It's the same for me. "Yeah yeah, Olys and all is nice, but can we fast forward to the really big stuff here?!"

 

[Interspectator]

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/164536873624/article-yuzuru-hanyu-i-am-at-20-right Another transation...thanks so much to the translator.

ARTICLE: Yuzuru Hanyu: I am at 20% right now (Number 934-5)

 

[liv]

Yuzu has accomplished so much, but I think if he were to do the first 4A, well, for me that would be tops. I love axel jumps, so many men still have more trouble with the 3A than quads... so this is the monster jump of my dreams. If I could see it clean, just once... I could almost forever quit watching skating... please let him stay strong, healthy, and motivated.... !!!!

 

[yude]

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/164536873624/article-yuzuru-hanyu-i-am-at-20-right Another transation...thanks so much to the translator.

I really liked this article, Yuzuru will never be satisfied with himself, which makes him so special.

 

[yude]

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20170823-00000057-sasahi-spo&p=2

On the second day of the media days, Yuzuru asked them "What do you want to see?" and many of them answered "FS", then Yuzuru said "I'll do SP then" and it raised the laughter He actually performed FS of course. In the photo session, when his close photographer tried to shoot him, he made a move of swinging a bat like playing baseball (I want to see that picture).

 

[iorii]

Oh wow, I came back to you guys talking about 4A, how exciting. I don't think about his statement with 4A a lot, I can only watch and let him surprise me!

Regarding 4F--I know Yuzuru hates 4F and understand where '4A sounds more plausible than 4F' could come from, but what exactly makes you guys think of Yuzuru's relationship with 4F that way? Even probably landing it on flat edge, quoting Ender. Genuinely curious! Please tell me the things I've been missing out.

 

[Ender]

Oh wow, I came back to you guys talking about 4A, how exciting. I don't think about his statement with 4A a lot, I can only watch and let him surprise me!

Regarding 4F--I know Yuzuru hates 4F and understand where '4A sounds more plausible than 4F' could come from, but what exactly makes you guys think of Yuzuru's relationship with 4F that way? Even probably landing it on flat edge, quoting Ender. Genuinely curious! Please tell me the things I've been missing out.

Please take note: it's not about landing the jump on flat edge, it's about taking off the jump from flat edge. Hanyu was not great at the Flip jump. However, he has fixed his Flip in these 2 recent seasons and his 3F has been the most consistent triple along with his 3A. So, will and should Hanyu train the 4F?

It all comes down to this: risks and rewards.

Does it worth it in the end? If the risks are higher than the rewards, it doesn't worth at all.

Do you know why the other men do not train 4A? Because it's too dangerous and they're not good at the Axel like Hanyu. They do not want to harm themselves too badly by training the 4A.

Frankly, Hanyu has no reason to hate the 4F. Like any top man, he can land it if he put all his mind into it. His 3F is already bigger than some's men's 4F. Hanyu even does the 3F out of difficult transitions and in the middle of step sequence. However he has much more important things to do than chasing the 4F: training the whole package and improving the consistency.

I am sure Hanyu does not hate 4F. I actually think he can land a nice 4F if he forces himself to train it. But logically it doesn't worth the time and energy to train 4F while his 4Lo is quite stable as these jumps almost have same base value. And since he can do 4lz with higher base value (means he can get better points), it's more reasonable to spend time on the 4lz, not the 4F.

If Hanyu still goes on after Olympic 2018 for 1-2 seasons, the possibility of seeing him training the 4F and actually landing it might be higher. As at that time, he might train the 4F just for "fun" or "for the sake of landing all quads".

Since he has best 3A, it's reasonable to think he will land a good 4A some day, and Max Ambesi reported that Hanyu indeed landed and rotated the 4A. I trust that man. He seems to has nice inside information.

 

[quad ax]

Oh wow, I came back to you guys talking about 4A, how exciting. I don't think about his statement with 4A a lot, I can only watch and let him surprise me!

Regarding 4F--I know Yuzuru hates 4F and understand where '4A sounds more plausible than 4F' could come from, but what exactly makes you guys think of Yuzuru's relationship with 4F that way? Even probably landing it on flat edge, quoting Ender. Genuinely curious! Please tell me the things I've been missing out.

First of all, successing 4F is not that important for his score. Since the base value of 4F and 4Lo is almost same, it is much more efficient to practice 4Lz or 4A to be perfect. Even though he brings 4F, the limit of numbers of quads are significant (around 5 right now but since Flip is more difficult than Toe loop or Salchow...) So only he can do is to remove 4T or 4S and put 4F, but that's too risky than the amount of score increased (which will be around 2)

Secondly, even if Yuzuru corrected his edge for Flip, I don't think flip is that comfortable jump for him than lutz or etc. Because, after he became senior competitior, he always brought 3F in the first half (Only for one time, he brought it in the second half but he failed). I know his 3F is beautiful, however the quality of lutz seems more stable through his career.

To sum up, he has focused on the skills that will be helpful for him to break the world record, and that will be 4Lz (which is the most realistic one). And since he's such a god of Axel, 4A can be possible. (I think the one who land 4A for the first time before his retirement surely is Hanyu.) In order to use limited time and health, Yuzuru might chose 4Lz and 4A, not 4F

 

[iorii]

Yuzuru has been looking like he has no problem with flip at all, so I didn't notice. And I have seen more skaters who struggle with lutz instead of flip.

Thank you for the kind answers!! Yuzuru is a god of axel indeed!!

 

[DorYiu]

http://www.insideskating.net/2017/0...ed-here-to-experience-yuzuru-hanyus-greatness Here's an article that can bring us back to that magical moment that was the Helsinki World Championships.

I like this article, a more emotional side of looking at what happen at Worlds.

I was talkzing to another fan the other day... a lot of people cried after watching H&L at Worlds, esp. fan of Yuzu. Not only because that's a record breaking performance (which made Max Ambesi almost cried too), but also a lot of us are deeply in love with LGC (unable to see it being skated clean was one of the biggest pity I have got for last season), and it's heartbreaking to see the Snapchat of Yuzu saying he is sorry about his performance... after that snapchat I was completely upset for 2 days until the free bring the biggest come back!

Yuzu has accomplished so much, but I think if he were to do the first 4A, well, for me that would be tops. I love axel jumps, so many men still have more trouble with the 3A than quads... so this is the monster jump of my dreams. If I could see it clean, just once... I could almost forever quit watching skating... please let him stay strong, healthy, and motivated.... !!!!

It's just pure excitement to see a new type of quad (4A) one day (super human effort!), when 4F has been achieved by others (Nathan's one is very well done already)

 

[iorii]

I like this article, a more emotional side of looking at what happen at Worlds.

I was talkzing to another fan the other day... a lot of people cried after watching H&L at Worlds, esp. fan of Yuzu. Not only because that's a record breaking performance (which made Max Ambesi almost cried too), but also a lot of us are deeply in love with LGC (unable to see it being skated clean was one of the biggest pity I have got for last season), and it's heartbreaking to see the Snapchat of Yuzu saying he is sorry about his performance...

Hope & Legacy--even if it weren't a record-breaking program (but of course it is), it will still be a program that holds special place in my heart. It's just--a program that fits Yuzuru perfectly, I have rewatched it so many times and each rewatch I can always feel my chest aching. Yuzuru's skating always makes me--feel. His skating just gives me so many emotions.

Quoting the article, "And what follows is joy for the senses – with Yuzuru skating as if he were a beautiful haze in the forest, a breeze between the leaves. And even if one doesn’t know the story of the program, he’ll still perceive the lightness of it, the softness, the continuum." A man gliding on the ice with music playing can give you this kind of feeling, how magical is that?

I know many of us aren't fans of recycled programs, but I would love to see Yuzuru challenging LGC again in the future.