Yuzuru Hanyu: 2017-2018

[Interspectator]

The program has just ended and it was soooo funny (at least to me) Please be prepared for Alina's face when Yuzurenai showed up, I LOVED her reaction and couldn't stop laughing. The program was about 3 hours length and they gave about 1 hour for figure skating, the skaters challenged 4 kinds of games and they were very interesting. I hope we're going to have video

Seeing 'Yuzurenai' fries my brain. I try to watch but I keep having to turn it off.

 

[yude]

Seeing 'Yuzurenai' fries my brain. I try to watch but I keep having to turn it off.

My cold heart is saying he is going to survive only this year unless he finds something different, but he may only change the costume he wears I'm just hoping Yuzuru doesn't feel offended, but he knows Japanese entertainment world and has big heart so I want to believe he is ok.

 

[Imov]

topic: I was not fortunate enough to get a ticket for FaOI in Kobe. Hopefully another chance will come for me.
Yuzu is really so popular, people cosplaying you is on a different level.

If someone know anyone who has extra tickets on FaOI kobe june 17 please dm me. Thank you.:sad4:

 

[Interspectator]

topic: I was not fortunate enough to get a ticket for FaOI in Kobe. Hopefully another chance will come for me.
Yuzu is really so popular, people cosplaying you is on a different level.

I hope you get to see him soon.

 

[Imov]

I hope you get to see him soon.

Thanks. I was so sad this morning. Like it almost ruined the whole day for me. But I know my chance will come.

 

[Henni147]

Yuzuru’s 3F out of steps is so beautiful it’d be such a shame to take it out but yeah, I guess unless there’s the all jump types bonus, the 3F will be most likely to get cut

This question really bothers me... It would be a crime to dispose this magical 3F in a container... :sad4:

I thought about likely layouts without that six-type-bonus. This is one of them (basically OWG 18):
4S
4T
3F

4S+3T
4T+1Lo+3S (or 3A instead 4T)
3A+2T
3Lz

What could Yuzu do to include all six types?
1. Change the 2T to a 2Lo (would that count or do these six types have to be quads and triples?)
If that counts, it sounds like the most realistic solution imo.

2. Change the 2T to a 3Lo (but that's too hard for his ankle I fear...)
3. Give the 4Lo another go and insert it instead of the solo 4S or 4T (ankle issue again...)
4. Change the second half to: 4S+3T, 3A+1Lo+3S, 3Lz+2T, 3Lo (loss of 4-5 points in BV...)
5. Change the layout to:
4S
4T
3Lo

4S+3T
3A+1Lo+3F
3A+2T
3Lz
The Flip is not Yuzu's favourite jump as far as I remember, so that 3A+1Lo+3F combo could be uncomfortable for him. Plus: he would lose TWO jumping passes he can fully rely on. His success rate with the 3F is close to 100% over the last 3 years and the 3A+1Lo+3S was his ultimate back-up-weapon at Olympics. I don't think that it's worth the risk...

What do you think? What kind of bonus would that be anyway? (+10 points? +10% to TES?)

 

[kiches]

If I remember correctly, the only time he hit level 4 on Seimei's steps was at Boston Worlds.

The first time he got level 4 for the step sequence was at NHK Trophy I believe.

 

[khtmyzr]

The program has just ended and it was soooo funny (at least to me) Please be prepared for Alina's face when Yuzurenai showed up, I LOVED her reaction and couldn't stop laughing.

her expression! I'm not quite sure what to make of it lol this can be made into a meme

 

[khtmyzr]

I thought about likely layouts without that six-type-restriction.
...
(would that count or do these six types have to be quads and triples?)

I think the proposal is for the six types to be a bonus rather than restriction.
I'm not sure what the exact wording was in the proposal but if I understand correctly, they would count the types regardless of the rotation being 3 or 4. So it can be 3 quads of 3 jump types and 3 triples of the other three.

What do you think?

I'm a little hesitant to make any guesses on his potential layout at the moment tbh since there are so many unknowns - particularly the new rules and his health.
For all I know, that 4A may or may not make its appearance earlier than we expected I personally find the 4A situation right now to be similar to 4Lo in 2016... at that time the 4Lo was kind of part of the "rehab" since it doesn't hurt his left foot as much. This time round, since he said the loop, flip and lutz are the ones troubling his ankle the most, the 4A might be his "rehab" jump now lol

So yeah, I guess I'll wait at least until after the new rules come out and after all the ice shows to think about his layout. hwell:

 

[xeyra]

The first time he got level 4 for the step sequence was at NHK Trophy I believe.

Oh, yeah, then it dropped a level at GPF and it'll forever be his dark cloud on the record.

 

[xeyra]

I'm a little hesitant to make any guesses on his potential layout at the moment tbh since there are so many unknowns - particularly the new rules and his health.
For all I know, that 4A may or may not make its appearance earlier than we expected I personally find the 4A situation right now to be similar to 4Lo in 2016... at that time the 4Lo was kind of part of the "rehab" since it doesn't hurt his left foot as much. This time round, since he said the loop, flip and lutz are the ones troubling his ankle the most, the 4A might be his "rehab" jump now lol

So yeah, I guess I'll wait at least until after the new rules come out and after all the ice shows to think about his layout. hwell:

While 4A might be easier on his ankle on the takeoff, the training of it will be more dangerous. I think he'll get his 4Lo back by the beginning of the season so he'll have 3 different quads. Whether it's in a good state, though, we'll see. He might end up having to go through the ringer with the 4Lo again as he did back in the season he introduced it.

 

[Henni147]

I think the proposal is for the six types to be a bonus rather than restriction.

Yep, I just changed that in my post, too.

On the other hand: if the bonus is really huge (a 10%-TES bonus for example)... that's worth an extra quad, so indirectly it feels like a restriction...

#Sidenote: if six-type programmes get a bonus, than a clean skate and camouflaged elements should get it, too imo...

Let's wait and see...

 

[khtmyzr]

While 4A might be easier on his ankle on the takeoff, the training of it will be more dangerous. I think he'll get his 4Lo back by the beginning of the season so he'll have 3 different quads. Whether it's in a good state, though, we'll see. He might end up having to go through the ringer with the 4Lo again as he did back in the season he introduced it.

That's true... sigh, I guess we'll see. For now I'll just keep praying for his ankle (and health overall) and hope Yuzu won't give me a heart attack at the ice shows

 

[khtmyzr]

On the other hand: if the bonus is really huge (a 10%-TES bonus for example)... that's worth an extra quad, so indirectly it feels like a restriction...

I don't think it'll be that big, but who knows...

Let's wait and see...

Yep, let's wait

 

[Yatagarasu]

I thought about likely layouts without that six-type-bonus. This is one of them (basically OWG 18):

Yuzuru is not going to dump either 4Lo or the 4Lz, he'll get those back.

 

[yoloaxel]

Yuzuru is not going to dump either 4Lo or the 4Lz, he'll get those back.

Agreed, I honestly doubt he would ever dump 4Lo. He needs to be careful with the Lz because of the injury, but I'm sure he will want to try to retain them.

 

[chopinskate]

4Lo
4T+3T
4S
4Lz
=======
3A+1Lo+3S
3A+3T
3Lz

No reps.

The problem with trying to figure out layouts is that we don't know how much the bonus for all six types will be, if it is instated. I have Yuzuru doing 3Lz and 4Lz in the same program, to maximize BV instead of 3F and 4Lz, but if the bonus is high enough, then it might override the BV argument for having the solo 3Lz. Which it probably will.

My problem with the no rep and all six type rules, apart from the injury-related arguments, is that I can't see the programs looking artistically salvageable.

 

[Henni147]

@chopinskate I agree with your no rep layout except the 4S+2T. I think that would be rather a 3T there

The problem with trying to figure out layouts is that we don't know how much the bonus for all six types will be, if it is instated. I have
Yuzuru doing 3Lz and 4Lz in the same program, to maximize BV instead of 3F and 4Lz, but if the bonus is high enough, then it might override the BV argument for having the solo 3Lz. Which it probably will.

My problem with the no rep and all six type rules, apart from the injury-related arguments, is that I can't see the programs looking artistically salvageable.

Yes, we don't know how big the bonus would be. I really hope that we'll never know. The damage would be worse with the six-type bonus than its positive aspects in my opinion. Nothing that really encourages better artistry.

 

[chopinskate]

I meant to put 3Lz+3T.

Or he could do 4T+3T.

 

[Henni147]

I meant to put 3Lz+3T.

Something like that?
4Lo
4S
4T
4Lz
3A+1Lo+3S
3A+2T
3Lz+3T

Aye, that would be an option, but I really don't think that he would do solo quads only. Both his 4T+3T and 4S+3T looked pretty solid in PyeongChang. There's no reason to discard them

Let's wait.