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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2019-2021

I really like Kevin, but how it is possible only 16 point gap between him and Yuzuru? Kevin landed one clean quad in combination and fell on his second quad. Yuzuru landed 5 clean quads and two of them in combinations.
 
Although I tried to think positively about the FS tonight, I couldn't help but feel a bit glum about Yuzu's score and the big point difference. Seeing Yuzu being smiley, cheerful and positive even after all of these made me feel so much happier though. I really admire his mentality and how he handled all the questions in the press conference made me feel glad and proud to be a fan of such a person.

Also, Yuzu's and Shun's interactions during the VC were so cute. :luv17:
 
Farnaz said:
I keep embarrassing myself with being so ignorant of rules :scard8:
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I had to look it up to confirm no worries :agree:
But seriously...could he do that? like a 4A, a 3A and another quad combo...highest TES ever! :eek:
Like the rules just say a solo quad or triple jump, it doesn't say it can't be an axel lol
 
xibsuarz said:
I had to look it up to confirm no worries :agree:
But seriously...could he do that? like a 4A, a 3A and another quad combo...highest TES ever! :eek:
Like the rules just say a solo quad or triple jump, it doesn't say it can't be an axel lol
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Everyone who is getting hyped up about 4A, remember that it's only 12.5 BV. A 4Lz is 11.5. Yes, those numbers are stupid (4A should be 15), but those are the rules. Now, do you think Yuzuru is likely to score more on a 4A that he hasn't landed yet on camera, or a 4Lz that he's done in competition?

Honestly, a 4Lo-3T would be a world first. No one has done that one combination yet. No one. Ever. 4Lo-3A would be pushing it. Yuzuru could totally go for a 4Lo+3T and a 4Lz if he really wanted those extra points for Beijing.
 
Yuzuru's skore was a joke. Last year at WC he had 4 quads - one of them underrotated and only one in combination, the landings of some of his jumps were also not 100 percent perfect. Yet he got more than 206 points. Today he had 5 quads - all of them clean, two of them in combinations and did quad lutz. He got what - 194 points. Yes, he missed his 3A-3A, but Nathan had only one 3A, no? Yuzuru could have done just 3A-3T - still perfect! I think If Yuzuru had made today everything planned perfectly - he would have deserved at least 250 points. Ok, let's say today he missed 37 points because of mistakes - he still should have had 213 points. The commentator expected Yuzuru to have more than 216 in the FS, no?
 
Doing a quad in combination doesn't actually mean you get more points for the quad. At Worlds, Yuzuru landed every one of his planned jumps, missing out only on a UR 4S, which in the end cost him about 7 points, so his ideal score would have been around 213-215 depending on PCS. Today, in effect his 4Lz replaced his 3Lo and he upgraded a 3S to a 3Lz, which is only about 1.6 + 6.6 = 8.2 points in base value more, so a clean skate would have put him at around 227+ depending on PCS. The lack of the 3As (16 points), the 3F mistake (8 points) and the 3T pop (another 4 points or so) leaves him 28 points short, so his actual score isn't too far off.
 
lzxnl said:
Everyone who is getting hyped up about 4A, remember that it's only 12.5 BV. A 4Lz is 11.5. Yes, those numbers are stupid (4A should be 15), but those are the rules. Now, do you think Yuzuru is likely to score more on a 4A that he hasn't landed yet on camera, or a 4Lz that he's done in competition?

Honestly, a 4Lo-3T would be a world first. No one has done that one combination yet. No one. Ever. 4Lo-3A would be pushing it. Yuzuru could totally go for a 4Lo+3T and a 4Lz if he really wanted those extra points for Beijing.
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The points are important of course, but they hype is not mainly about the points. It's just DOING IT. Yuzu wants to do it, it's his goal rn.

And who knows, I mean, the 4Lz caused him a nearly career ending injury and he couldn't even do a 3Lz the following season (up until this one). It seems like he's been practicing the 4A safely (let's keep it that way!). And out of his 6 jumps, the axel is the best he has + wow factor if he lands it...maybe he could end up getting a higher score for that one. Is really all just fun speculation, I'm sure Yuzu knows what's best for him and his current abilities.

I don't even want to look that far into Beijing, I can barely make it through this season!
 
Breathtaking Yuzu !
I didnt understand the point score in the old system, but right now even more. I mean for a non-specialist, how the gap in the FS can be so huge between Yuzu and Chen (194 vs 224) 30 points + !
I can understand in the SP a bit, but i dont understand the FS.
 
lzxnl said:
Doing a quad in combination doesn't actually mean you get more points for the quad. At Worlds, Yuzuru landed every one of his planned jumps, missing out only on a UR 4S, which in the end cost him about 7 points, so his ideal score would have been around 213-215 depending on PCS. Today, in effect his 4Lz replaced his 3Lo and he upgraded a 3S to a 3Lz, which is only about 1.6 + 6.6 = 8.2 points in base value more, so a clean skate would have put him at around 227+ depending on PCS. The lack of the 3As (16 points), the 3F mistake (8 points) and the 3T pop (another 4 points or so) leaves him 28 points short, so his actual score isn't too far off.
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Earlier I posted, using @SkatingScores app, setting the jumps at +3 GOE, PCS at 9.5. Yuzuru would have gotten 222 if clean.

As for the 4Loop+3T, dont think he will try that combo. The solo 4Lo itself is hard enough to land. He does combos with jumps he's good at -> 4T, 3A.
4A is hyped cos nobody has done it before. Then after 4A, he did say before he might try 4F to get full set of all the quads.
 
eaglehelang said:
Earlier I posted, using @SkatingScores app, setting the jumps at +3 GOE, PCS at 9.5. Yuzuru would have gotten 222 if clean.

As for the 4Loop+3T, dont think he will try that combo. The solo 4Lo itself is hard enough to land. He does combos with jumps he's good at -> 4T, 3A.
4A is hyped cos nobody has done it before. Then after 4A, he did say before he might try 4F to get full set of all the quads.
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Only 222 If clean? How Nathan got 225? I do not get it! I think is time for The Japanese Figure Skating Federation to protest!
 
A little shocked at some of the negativity here but I understand it's a safe please to rant so I respect that. For me he won more things here than what he lost; like he said so himself he finally got over the wall of practicing 4lz and landing it. That's huge. I am not even an athlete but chronic problems that trigger pain I am still hesitant to perform those actions. I can't say enough how proud I am of him of being patient with the injury and overcoming a potential mental block.

There was a time ( still is I guess) that he is on the receiving end of overcoming complaints. It goes both way in a skaters career I think. And he has always understand that as being part of the sport and think beyond that, acting so very gracious and mature. I love his cheerfulness at the press .com and how he reiterated fs is truly a sport and also not a jumping contest even with five quads.

Again our opinion may differ but I cringed when the birthday cake was being brought forward in the kiss and cry...I understand fans want to celebrate but there's a time and place for everything. In the middle of a competition is a little...

Ok hope I haven't offended too many people with this post.
 
NadezhdaNadya said:
Only 222 If clean? How Nathan got 225? I do not get it! I think is time for The Japanese Figure Skating Federation to protest!
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the Japanese Federation has never been on Yuzu's side (just look at his very underscored marks at Saitama and the PCS in both SP and FS at NHK), Japanese judges often give marks to foreign skaters even more generously than their own. And its not just a Yuzu thing..happens to the women too (poor Rika at Saitama as well).

Yes I understand the main difference between the 40+ marks at GPF were from the lost BV in the combos and other little mistakes, but the fact that in the FS his 4lz, 3lz, 4S, 4T3T all deserved better GOEs than what he got and his PCS was too low remains. Some judges even gave his 4T3F GOEs -4 and -5, which is the equivalent of a complete fall! when all he did was a turnout (the 3F URed, but that was already taken out of the BV and not supposed to be -5 in GOE as some judges did). There is no doubt he would be second here, but his FS is underscored by a good 6-7 point if not much more.
 
The birthday cake thing, some are saying on Facebook that it's actually from the event organiser.
Which makes sense cos with dont think fans can throw cakes on to the ice or K&C area without the cake being squashed.
 
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