Yuzuru Hanyu Lands 4LO

[Khoai]

Maybe others wanted to just aim for the hardest jump of all since the loop is mid-level in terms of difficulty (though it's my favorite jump to watch hands down). If you're going to put in the effort, why not for the hardest ones? Though points wise the flip isn't much more than the loop. There's a bigger gap between the value of a lutz and flip (13.6 v. 12.3) than the flip and loop (12.3 v. 12.0). Most of the field is still struggling with having consistent toes and sals at all. And funny enough Shoma can do the flip, but he can't do the sal as well. He also seems to be coming along with the loop as well. I could see him putting the flip, loop, and toe in his set.

Mr. Uno's "quad Flip" is actually executed with a Loop-like technique, with massive pre-rotation around 270 degree. I would say it is quite questionable but I am not ISU's chairman to decide. I cringe every time I see slow motion of his "quads".

 

[Danibellerika]

Well if anything you're saying that a loop is an even bigger likelihood for him. I'm not really trying to argue about the quality of the jumps. Just mentioning what he'll probably aim to be doing if he gets the points for it.

 

[Khoai]

Well if anything you're saying that a loop is an even bigger likelihood for him. I'm not really trying to argue about the quality of the jumps. Just mentioning what he'll probably aim to be doing if he gets the points for it.

What I am saying is that I do not consider it true flip technique. In my opinion it is not qualified. But I am not ISU chairman.
In my opinion, the only current skater with a true quad flip is Nathan Chen.

 

[CoyoteChris]

It's official now
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pa...performs-first-clean-quad-loop-in-competition

OK, well, now we know a jump has to be "clean and fully rotated" to make the record.

 

[CoyoteChris]

These days what matters more is who is speaking through twitter. An official representative using twitter to release information to the public is just as official an in-person interview/statement.

Using the ISU-owned and ISU-authorized twitter account is about as official as it gets. It's an ISU-authorized account--bearing the name and logo of the ISU--allowed to speak on behalf of the ISU. That's pretty 'official' to me.

Told ya I was an old foggie! If the ISU announced the second comming over twitter, I would never know it!
Chris with a smart phone with no Twitter on it:noshake:

 

[Lipea]

Yeah, what the heck was up with that? I want to know what country that judge was from.

I also noticed some very questionable PCS for the ladies SP. :noshake:

The same judge gave 6-s to Misha, 5-s to Samohin but highest marks to both Canadians :sarcasm:

 

[Interspectator]

The quick turnaround for Yuzu's attempt at a 4LO and the announcement from the ISU makes me wonder if the ISU, being made up of humans, like us, had a long argument about Alexei's 4LO attempt but then, before they could come to a conclusion, Yuzu's 4LO was done at Autumn Classic, it was clean, so they just said, "Hey, let's go with this one."

Or, they took one look at Alexei's 4LO, decided it wasn't going to go through, but didn't make any announcement because they didn't know what to say. :think:

 

[Meoima]

The quick turnaround for Yuzu's attempt at a 4LO and the announcement from the ISU makes me wonder if the ISU, being made up of humans, like us, had a long argument about Alexei's 4LO attempt but then, before they could come to a conclusion, Yuzu's 4LO was done at Autumn Classic, it was clean, so they just said, "Hey, let's go with this one."

Or, they took one look at Alexei's 4LO, decided it wasn't going to go through, but didn't make any announcement because they didn't know what to say. :think:

I think ISU knew Alexei's attempt wasn't good enough to be called the first 4Lo but they can not come out and say "our specialists were too easy on this, they shouldn't have ratified it."
So when Yuzuru landed 4Lo at AU they were very happy to ratify his, because it's a better and successful jump.

 

[ranran]

When Takahashi first attempted the Quad Flip back then, is there any official statement released by ISU that it was not ratified?

Just asking as I was thinking maybe ISU only released confirmation on ratified jump only and never released any kind of statement in the past that confirm this and that on non-ratified jumps that was attempted.

 

[Marin]

When Takahashi first attempted the Quad Flip back then, is there any official statement released by ISU that it was not ratified?

Just asking as I was thinking maybe ISU only released confirmation on ratified jump only and never released any kind of statement in the past that confirm this and that on non-ratified jumps that was attempted.

Daisuke's quad flip was marked as underrotated in procotol, so there was no need of any confirmation from ISU. While according to protocol Krasnozhon got the rotation, that was the main difference. Now we know that besides rotation it should be clean with positive GOE to get ratified.

 

[matmuh]

When Takahashi first attempted the Quad Flip back then, is there any official statement released by ISU that it was not ratified?

Just asking as I was thinking maybe ISU only released confirmation on ratified jump only and never released any kind of statement in the past that confirm this and that on non-ratified jumps that was attempted.

i was about to ask the same thing but i think tech panel marked it as downgrade? back then

 

[ranran]

Daisuke's quad flip was marked as underrotated in procotol, so there was no need of any confirmation from ISU. While according to protocol Krasnozhon got the rotation, that was the main difference. Now we know that besides rotation it should be clean with positive GOE to get ratified.

Ah I see~ Thank you.

 

[da96103]

Now I wonder whether we can we actually take a Skate Canada tweet of a referee congratulates Yuzu as an official ratification without a proper ISU new release like this?

Shoma Uno did the 4F on 22 April 2016 and the ratifying article was published on 29 April 2016.

Sounds like the plot from the Japanese horror movie 'The Ring'. Do the quad jump and 7 days later it gets ratified.

 

[da96103]

Incredible. He's got four quads planned, it looks like, with two of them in the second half. Here's hoping his stamina can handle such an ambitious program.

He only did thee quad jumps. You think the fourth quad is supposed to be in element no.6 3S+2T which will be 4S+2T once he gets more strength?

 

[daphenaxa]

He only did thee quad jumps. You think the fourth quad is supposed to be in element no.6 3S+2T which will be 4S+2T once he gets more strength?

yes he was doing 4S+3T in the practice for element n.6
His planned layout is 4L 4S 3F 4S3T 4T 3A2T 3A1/2L3S 3Lz

 

[Meoima]

He only did thee quad jumps. You think the fourth quad is supposed to be in element no.6 3S+2T which will be 4S+2T once he gets more strength?

Yes, at AC he popped it due to lack of stamina. In practice he did:
4lo - 4S - spin step sequence - 3F - 4S3T - 4T - 3A2T - 3A1lo3S - spin - choreo sequence - 3lz - spin

Video of Yuzuru's practice run through his LP at Autumn Classic: http://dai.ly/x4vba2c
He skipped some elements here though.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I wonder what makes it that it was the quad loop it was in some way the hardest on check list of quads ? We had lutz and flip before despite they are harder at least on paper ?

It's especially interesting because the loop was the first triple landed (Button 1952) but second to last quad completed successfully. The first triple and quad toes were separated by 24 years, while the first triple and quad loops are now separated by 64 years.

 

[Raomina]

I think quad loop is actually physically harder to accomplish than the quad flip or quad lutz and the points assigned are not really reflective of the differences in difficulty. ISU seemed to just assume that the difficulty levels at the triple level would translate directly to the quad level, but I'm not sure that should be the case. A triple loop might be easier to do that a triple flip or lutz but the lack of the toe pick assist should actually make it harder to get enough height for a quad loop compared to quad flip or lutz, so it would depend a lot on fast rotation. We already know that the triple loop is bad enough for the hips, much less a quad loop, so that would deter people from training it as well. In addition to that, the fact that the quad lutz and flip are assigned the most points gives people more incentive to practice those instead of the loop, so there's really no 'point' in training a harder jump that gives less points. For Yuzuru though, he is better at and prefers edge jumps, so it's not surprising that he trains it and is the first one to land it successfully.

 

[MaxSwagg]

It's especially interesting because the loop was the first triple landed (Button 1952) but second to last quad completed successfully. The first triple and quad toes were separated by 24 years, while the first triple and quad loops are now separated by 64 years.

Hmmm, predictions?

Dick: first 3Lo
Yuzu: first 4Lo

Dick: youngest to win Olympics in 1948
Yuzu: youngest to win Olympics since Dick

Dick: Repeats in 1952
Yuzu: ??????

 

[Rissa]

Hmmm, predictions?

Dick: first 3Lo
Yuzu: first 4Lo

Dick: youngest to win Olympics in 1948
Yuzu: youngest to win Olympics since Dick

Dick: Repeats in 1952
Yuzu: ??????

Aww, cute. I hope Yuzu follows Dick's footsteps.