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Wasn't Dick Button also the fist to land a double Axel? Maybe that means a quad Axel is not that far off for Yuzu... :eeking: But then if anybody could pull it off, it would the same skater who can do triple Axels in his sleep.
Yuzuru Hanyu Lands 4LO
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Wasn't Dick Button also the fist to land a double Axel? Maybe that means a quad Axel is not that far off for Yuzu... :eeking: But then if anybody could pull it off, it would the same skater who can do triple Axels in his sleep.
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Well...he mentioned that being the first to do 4Lo isn't that big of deal to him because others have done the more difficult quads, and that he will be happy if he can succeed with the 4A.
He's nuts. Lol
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In some news he said he is not very much happy to be first to land 4lo Cuz this isn't the current most difficult jump, So he said , If he can land more difficult jump then will feel happy "if I finally land the 4A I will be happy"-he said something like this
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wow... greedy
Yah greedy, also he was "sho frushtrhaated that he did not give pafect pafomansh"
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Jack Gallagher of The Japan Times wrote an article starting off with this story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/...g/hanyus-quad-loop-adds-japans-skating-legacy
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Yuzuru Hanyu and Zayak: 2016/17 edition
He does not need to change his original jumps in these two situations:
If 4Lo is jumped as 3Lo, no Zayak, since there's no 3Lo.
If either 4S is jumped as 3S, no Zayak since the repeated jump would be 3S.
Two situations where he needs to change the original jumps to avoid Zayak.
1. If the 4T is jumped as 3T, at this point he would already have repeated 4S and 3T, he must remember to downgrade one of the triple axels into 2A or change it to 3Lo.
2. If both 4S's are jumped as 3S's, he must remember to downgrade the 3S in the half loop jump into 2S. (This is technically not Zayak but the third same jump would invalidate that jump nonetheless.)
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Yup... I wondered why he went for 3a-1t-1l instead of 3a-1/2l-3s.... actually, he had already done 2t twice (3s-2t and 3a-2t) so he probably realized too late that he couldn't do a 2T after that second 3A.... I think he will need to sit down 2-3 minutes and look at what happens. The first jumps aren't the issues much as what to use for combos.... He is planning to do 4s-3t. So then, 3a-2t (cannot be 3t) and definitely, we will find out if he is indeed going to go back to his half loop combo or his 3S one. I would think that the halp loop combo is safer against zayaks... I think that it is smart to not put the 3L in the layout, in case he pops the quad loop. He really needs to save opportunity for his 2 3A and his 24S. I am not worried for him at all though
and since the rules for Zayak are less harsh this year, he may lose credit for the end of a combo at one point (a 2T) which is no big deal.
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Yup... I wondered why he went for 3a-1t-1l instead of 3a-1/2l-3s.... actually, he had already done 2t twice (3s-2t and 3a-2t) so he probably realized too late that he couldn't do a 2T after that second 3A.... I think he will need to sit down 2-3 minutes and look at what happens. The first jumps aren't the issues much as what to use for combos.... He is planning to do 4s-3t. So then, 3a-2t (cannot be 3t) and definitely, we will find out if he is indeed going to go back to his half loop combo or his 3S one. I would think that the halp loop combo is safer against zayaks... I think that it is smart to not put the 3L in the layout, in case he pops the quad loop. He really needs to save opportunity for his 2 3A and his 24S. I am not worried for him at all though
Go back? There is no way he's getting rid of 3A+1Lo+3S, especially when it gives over 15 points. I think he just got confused...
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i think you got confused by my message too and that's why i said, if he thinks properly about his layout... even a pop on the 45 into a 3s he can make the half loop combo. he got confused and probably thought... oh no i cannot do the 3S anymore... then he realised he couldn't do the 2T either first time out, these things will happen
short hand summary
PLAN A repeated jumps are 4S and 3A
PLan B when he pops a 4S into a 3S, the rest of the program stays the same and in the end, repeated jumps are 3S and 3A
first time out, these things will happen
short hand summary
PLAN A repeated jumps are 4S and 3A
PLan B when he pops a 4S into a 3S, the rest of the program stays the same and in the end, repeated jumps are 3S and 3A
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i think you got confused by my message too and that's why i said, if he thinks properly about his layout... even a pop on the 45 into a 3s he can make the half loop combo. he got confused and probably thought... oh no i cannot do the 3S anymore... then he realised he couldn't do the 2T either
Frankly, even I got confused...
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1. yop and I think that is why he should only jump 4S2T then 4T then 3A3T instead of 4S3T then 4T then 3A2T. That way if he triples the quad toe he doesn't loose one of his axels that are his money making jumps. I actually think that is kind of a big planning mistake.
2. Instead of doing 3A 1/2lo 2S, couldn't he do 3A2L2L? How many double jumps can be repeated??
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I believe it's the same as quads and triples: 2 may be repeated.
Yup... I wondered why he went for 3a-1t-1l instead of 3a-1/2l-3s.... actually, he had already done 2t twice (3s-2t and 3a-2t) so he probably realized too late that he couldn't do a 2T after that second 3A.... I think he will need to sit down 2-3 minutes and look at what happens. The first jumps aren't the issues much as what to use for combos.... He is planning to do 4s-3t. So then, 3a-2t (cannot be 3t) and definitely, we will find out if he is indeed going to go back to his half loop combo or his 3S one. I would think that the halp loop combo is safer against zayaks... I think that it is smart to not put the 3L in the layout, in case he pops the quad loop. He really needs to save opportunity for his 2 3A and his 24S. I am not worried for him at all though
Something new added to the Zayak rule this summer while I was vacationing in the Caribbean?
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1. That's a very nicely deducted solution. Do 3T after 4T and not before.
Current jumps: 4S+3T, 4T, 3A+2T, 3A-1/2Lo-3S
If he downgrade the 4T to 3T, he needs to sacrifice one 3A
Example: 4S+3T, 3T, 3A+2T, 2A-1/2Lo-3S
Daphenaxa's suggestion: 4S+2T, 4T, 3A+3T, 3A-1/2Lo-3S
If he downgrade the 4T to 3T, he does not need to sacrifice one 3A, he has the chance to reduce the 3T behind the 3A to a double jump and preserve both 3As.
4S+2T, 3T, 3A+2T, 3A-1/2Lo-3S
2. Actually he plans to do 3A+1/2Lo+3S. The reason why some skaters want to do the half loop jump is so that they can do the 3S or 3F as the second jump and keep one of the passes for a jump that begins with the quad/3A.
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I was talking about your second hypothesis where he triples both his quad sals and so can't do the 3A+1/2Lo+3S anymore. I was thinking it would be more points for him to do 3A2L2L instead of 3A+1/2Lo+2S and was wondering if it was possible. Obviously it wouldn't make a big difference in terms of points but I really like thinking about the different possibilities to make the programs work to avoid zayak
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yup....
only the zayak part is not counted.... not the entire combo...
for instance... If Yuzu goes 4S-2t... then 3A-2t-2l, and for some reason he goes 3a-2t, then the 3a is still counted but not the 2t.
Before, the whole combo would have been discounted.
only the zayak part is not counted.... not the entire combo...
for instance... If Yuzu goes 4S-2t... then 3A-2t-2l, and for some reason he goes 3a-2t, then the 3a is still counted but not the 2t.
Before, the whole combo would have been discounted.
Something new added to the Zayak rule this summer while I was vacationing in the Caribbean?
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Well...he mentioned that being the first to do 4Lo isn't that big of deal to him because others have done the more difficult quads, and that he will be happy if he can succeed with the 4A.
LOL. I was only joking about the quad Axel. I never imagined Hanyu himself would mention it...
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