Thanks aftertherain! I guess Aaron had popped one of his 4S this season, but it doesn't really matter. He still has an amazing consistency with this jump, not to forget that the quality is really good too! It's exciting to see how he will do with the 4T(?) next season and his 5 quads plan
But I'm a Plushy uber, and as such, intend to clutch those 100% to my bosom, and no one dare try to take it away from me! Or... or... the Yuna/Mao Wars will start to look like child's play! And I can't think of a worse threat than that... )
Thanks aftertherain! I guess Aaron had popped one of his 4S this season, but it doesn't really matter. He still has an amazing consistency with this jump, not to forget that the quality is really good too! It's exciting to see how he will do with the 4T(?) next season and his 5 quads plan
Thanks, Li'K. I confess that I had been wondering whether Aaron had in fact popped one quad. I see now it was in his FS at Worlds.
As I mentioned before, I didn't count solo 2T, 3T, 2S, or 3S as actual attempts. Only variations of 4T and 4S (like < or << or just +/-GOE).
Otherwise, everyone's success rates would go down, down, down, down, down, like Jay Sean--and here is today's pop culture reference.
golden411 said:Li'K, I think I read somewhere more recently that Aaron was referring to [only ] four quads (1 + 3??) for next season?? (I too remember that earlier he had mentioned the possibility of 2 + 3.)
No worries, aftertherain. I did see that you clearly had said that from the beginning. Pls don't misunderstand -- was not criticizing your tally at all.
Only wanted to acknowledge that 100% for Aaron did not truly equal absolute quad perfection ... but I am going to leave my avatar unchanged for now .
I didn't realize how man quad mistakes Chan and Takhashi had hmm. But Max Aaron really is not the direction we probably want skating to go. His skating looks rough, unrefined and he doesn't have the personality or passion of Candelero who also had often scratchy jumps like Aaron. A clean Evan could possibly beat the guy and certainly a clean Tak and Chan even without quds I would have ahead with their pcs. who knows atbout this year maybe his jumps and spins and overall skating has improved but I would almost say max should be marked like Jennifer Ronbinson or sury Bonaly -lots of triples but quality si lacking.
I didn't realize how man quad mistakes Chan and Takhashi had hmm.
But Max Aaron really is not the direction we probably want skating to go.
Li'K, I think I read somewhere more recently that Aaron was referring to [only ] four quads (1 + 3??) for next season?? (I too remember that earlier he had mentioned the possibility of 2 + 3.)
Why should we not want skating to go in the direction of Max Aaron? He's energetic, fast, throws himself into the programs with every effort, and best of all, he's fun to watch, and always looks like he's enjoying himself! I'd rather see that than someone who looks like they're being tortured to death. Sure, he doesn't have ice-dance level crossovers and he never will. But he knows his weaknesses and he works on them. He always attacks every program with everything he has. Nothing conservative or safe about his skating - he wants the prize and he wants to get there by doing 110% of what he's capable of, not mooching around taking out quads and flailing his arms. (Considering his background, Max's arms are pretty good, actually.)
Max Aaron may not be your cup of tea, and I understand that... different strokes and all that...
But to compare his overall level of skating to Surya Bonaly is a bit over the top. To even put Jennifer Robinson in the Bonaly zone for PCS is unjustified.
Li'K, I think I read somewhere more recently that Aaron was referring to [only ] four quads (1 + 3??) for next season?? (I too remember that earlier he had mentioned the possibility of 2 + 3.)
I agree about Bonaly, that was too harsh.... In my opinion his skating reminds me of Stojko, but Aaron has a bit better bodytype.
Why should we not want skating to go in the direction of Max Aaron? He's energetic, fast, throws himself into the programs with every effort, and best of all, he's fun to watch, and always looks like he's enjoying himself! I'd rather see that than someone who looks like they're being tortured to death. Sure, he doesn't have ice-dance level crossovers and he never will. But he knows his weaknesses and he works on them. He always attacks every program with everything he has. Nothing conservative or safe about his skating - he wants the prize and he wants to get there by doing 110% of what he's capable of, not mooching around taking out quads and flailing his arms. (Considering his background, Max's arms are pretty good, actually.)
Why go for a second rate Elvis Stoijko when you have Fernandez, Hanyu, Chan and Takahashi who embody the complete skater. Max could improve or he could have the second year collapse which we have an inkling showing in Katlyn Osmond. What I hate or don't like is how there is so much talk by skaters about he quad and yet we all know less than 50percent are landed that are tried and so many with the quad don't even try it in competition. So much talk, so much babble about how they have spentimproving sins, jumps artistry but let's see it on the ice less talk and more action.
ONLY FOUR QUADS? Oh my me, only four! However will he get by with only four?!
The guy's a little bit on the nuts side.[/QUOTE
Max does not have the chutzpah, the it quality, the attitude and character Elvis had. Elvis was Elvis - he was a personality on and off the ice. Max hasn't show the it factor Elvis has or an Urmanov or candelero. Besides why go in this direction when you have the all around complete skaters in Takahashi, Hanyu, Chan and Fernandez - don't second for second or third rate. He may not be a Jennifer Robinson and I am impressed with his quads under such pressure but his presence on the ice and style is lacking and comparatively to Elvis who wasknown as a jumper - max does not have the style that like it or not Elvis showed. So many, not Max at least, say they have quad but don't try it or land it in competition. So much talk. let's hope we wills the quads or the money where everyone's mouth is. I am not sure I agree with Chan's philosophy which has not improved technically (maybe he should at least improve his spins and interpretation??? I think Max does up the ante as to jumps but I do think his pcs are more than fair if not generous, too generous.
What I hate or don't like is how there is so much talk by skaters about he quad and yet we all know less than 50percent are landed that are tried and so many with the quad don't even try it in competition. So much talk, so much babble about how they have spentimproving sins, jumps artistry but let's see it on the ice less talk and more action.
Max does not have the chutzpah, the it quality, the attitude and character Elvis had. Elvis was Elvis - he was a personality on and off the ice. Max hasn't show the it factor Elvis has or an Urmanov or candelero.
Skater Boy said:Besides why go in this direction when you have the all around complete skaters in Takahashi, Hanyu, Chan and Fernandez - don't second for second or third rate.
Mathman said:Huh? Surya Bonaly won five European championships, a slew of Grand Prix events, and three world silver medals.
Her style was not everyone's cup of tea, but isn't it a little premature to start pushing Aaron into that class?
Huh? Surya Bonaly won five European championships, a slew of Grand Prix events, and three world silver medals.
Her style was not everyone's cup of tea, but isn't it a little premature to start pushing Aaron into that class?
Why go for a second rate Elvis Stoijko when you have Fernandez, Hanyu, Chan and Takahashi who embody the complete skater.
Max does not have the chutzpah, the it quality, the attitude and character Elvis had.
You know what else Stokjo had that Max doesn't? More than a decade on the senior circuit. His career spanned from the late 1980s to the early 2000s. Max barely has two.
He certainly has time and room to improve.
Huh? Surya Bonaly won five European championships, a slew of Grand Prix events, and three world silver medals.
Her style was not everyone's cup of tea, but isn't it a little premature to start pushing Aaron into that class?