Skating to Riverdance

[CoyoteChris]

Back from a 4,000 mile road trip. Saw Clare Seo today on the web live at the Cup of Colorado and Watched Gracie, etc.
I just watched this: Pate and Bye doing Riverdance.

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Cant wait to see it live at Nats.
It would be hard to beat Jason Brown's rendition. I did enjoy Rika Hongo's because I enjoyed Rika Hongo, I guess.
There are certain constraints in ice dance comps but I wonder for a gala performance, if any couple could really pull it off to the level of Jason Brown?
I dont skate so I cant appreciate how hard it would be but maybe Davis and White could have pulled off this high energy piece.

 

[Seven Sisters]

Could “any couple really pull it off to the level of Jason Brown”? Have we really forgotten the original, so soon?

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[noskates]

UGH - I don't think anyone should skate to Riverdance. I felt the same way about Bolero. There are just some pieces of music that are so iconic that I can't picture anyone else skating to them. I didn't like Rika Hongo's version and barely remember Bourne and Kratz'. JMO.

Edited after watching Bourne and Kratz - excellent footwork and super well done. But I still think Jason when I hear the music.

 

[Seven Sisters]

UGH - I don't think anyone should skate to Riverdance. I felt the same way about Bolero. There are just some pieces of music that are so iconic that I can't picture anyone else skating to them. I didn't like Rika Hongo's version and barely remember Bourne and Kratz'. JMO.

Just shows that it’s all a matter of perspective. To me Bourne and Kraatz had THE iconic program to Riverdance. At the time, it was a sensation—I remember being riveted watching it on TV at that Olympics!

Naturally I remember Jason Brown as well, not to take anything away from him, but that was YEARS later!

 

[GoneWithTheWind]

To me Bourne and Kraatz had THE iconic program to Riverdance.

I love their version, it's still a program I go back and watch regularly.

More recently, Guignard/Fabbri did a pretty good job of it too, although I am biased because they're my faves! They do keep up with the fast pace of the music really well.

 

[mrrice]

Riverdance is spectacular as it can be used for many different types of Dance. Even the Clovis West Colorguard used it one season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrfpOOG69Fg&t=113s

 

[surimi]

Jason Brown's Riverdance was iconic, but there are many that were likeable too, like Rika Hongo's or Kazuki Tomono's. But since it's one of the sufferable warhorses for me, I look forward to new interpretations. I can imagine Fear/Gibson or Green/Parsons make it work really well in the future.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Back from a 4,000 mile road trip. Saw Clare Seo today on the web live at the Cup of Colorado and Watched Gracie, etc.
I just watched this: Pate and Bye doing Riverdance.

2022 Lake Placid Ice Dance International​

Eva PATE & Logan BYE - Riverdance Free Dance - 2022 Lake Placid Ice Dance International

SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL ðEva Pate & Logan Bye 2022 Lake Placid Ice Dance International - Senior Ice Dance - July 28, 2022 - 1980 Herb Brooks Arena, Lake Pl...

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Cant wait to see it live at Nats.
It would be hard to beat Jason Brown's rendition. I did enjoy Rika Hongo's because I enjoyed Rika Hongo, I guess.
There are certain constraints in ice dance comps but I wonder for a gala performance, if any couple could really pull it off to the level of Jason Brown?
I dont skate so I cant appreciate how hard it would be but maybe Davis and White could have pulled off this high energy piece.

The best version was Bourne/Kraatz, and Jason.

I hate when Riverdance is done b/c no one can perform it close to authentic when it comes to the steps and intricacies. Now, it's not going to be just like the original b/c there are more restraints to some movements and then the rules with skating, but a good choreographer with the right team/skater could pull it off. Virtue/Moir could have knocked out a Riverdance program, as could Wea/Po, the Kerrs, as could Hawayek/Baker possibly.

 

[CoyoteChris]

The best version was Bourne/Kraatz, and Jason.

I hate when Riverdance is done b/c no one can perform it close to authentic when it comes to the steps and intricacies. Now, it's not going to be just like the original b/c there are more restraints to some movements and then the rules with skating, but a good choreographer with the right team skater could pull it off. Virtue/Moir could have knocked out a Riverdance program, as could Wea/Po, the Kerrs, as could Hawayek/Baker possibly.

I do agree that step dancing would be very hard on skates...still...I wonder if there is someone out there that can do it...when RD first appeared, it took off like a rocket

 

[treblemakerem]

I do agree that step dancing would be very hard on skates...still...I wonder if there is someone out there that can do it...when RD first appeared, it took off like a rocket

As an Irish dancer I would not recommend anyone try to do authentic steps on ice. I still enjoy river dance programs though!

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

I do agree that step dancing would be very hard on skates...still...I wonder if there is someone out there that can do it...when RD first appeared, it took off like a rocket

Bourne and Kraatz did it to a degree, more than anyone since lol!

 

[el henry]

I remember folks talking about Bourne and Kraatz when Jason's Riverdance first took off, and I also barely remembered it, so I went back and took a look.

Not really easy to compare from my limited observation skills, because it is ice dance and not singles, but it simply did not touch me the way that Jason's did. And I was trying to be objective, believe it or not. . But I could see the mastery and skills involved.

That said, Riverdance is a warhorse, and it will be used in skating this year, next year, and other years, and I can't really say Jason has a complete lock on it.

OTOH, if any skater tries to skate to Sinnerman in the next ten years, they're out of their flipping mind.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

UGH - I don't think anyone should skate to Riverdance. I felt the same way about Bolero. There are just some pieces of music that are so iconic that I can't picture anyone else skating to them. I didn't like Rika Hongo's version and barely remember Bourne and Kratz'. JMO.

Edited after watching Bourne and Kratz - excellent footwork and super well done. But I still think Jason when I hear the music.

I would agree with you, but for me at least Riverdance is nice music. I think Bolero, as music is extremely overrated. Torville and Dean made a very good program to it, and were very good skates, but the music itself for me was tired and boring and altogether just not great. I think even the composer didn't like it, and said it was more of a training exercise than music to listen to.

On the note of riverdance, if there is exceptional choreography I wouldn't mind watching a program to it. What I don't want is there to be 20 programs to it with only 1 of exceptional quality. In terms of ice dance, I do think there is scope to achieve a high level performance despite constraints - although the climax is perhaps better suited for character step sequence rather than the step sequence. The lifts/twizzles/one foot can also be used to great effect on different parts of the music.

 

[mrrice]

Jason Brown's Riverdance was iconic, but there are many that were likeable too, like Rika Hongo's or Kazuki Tomono's. But since it's one of the sufferable warhorses for me, I look forward to new interpretations. I can imagine Fear/Gibson or Green/Parsons make it work really well in the future.

I'll have to look for it but, I could swear I saw Takeshi Honda use Riverdance. It might have been an exhibition. I'll Be Bach!! Found it. This performance was from 4CC..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AbPZVpS7A

 

[gkelly]

Also from 1998 (which based on the costumes I described as more river, less dance):

Figure Skating Moments - Sophie Moniotte & Pascal Lavanchy, European Championships 1998, FD | Facebook | By Figure Skating Moments | Sophie Moniotte & Pascal Lavanchy, European Championships 1998, FD Music: Riverdance by Bill Whelan Credit: YT Sk8F

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Other 1990s Irish dances to different music:

Boyce & Brunet 1994 Cdn Nats FD

Music to the Chieftains,

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Marika Humphreys & Philip Askew GBR - 1997 World Figure Skating Championships Free Dance

CD: 16th, OD: 16th, FD: 16th, 16th placeMarch 16th-23rd, Lausanne, SUI

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[mrrice]

Back from a 4,000 mile road trip. Saw Clare Seo today on the web live at the Cup of Colorado and Watched Gracie, etc.
I just watched this: Pate and Bye doing Riverdance.

2022 Lake Placid Ice Dance International​

Eva PATE & Logan BYE - Riverdance Free Dance - 2022 Lake Placid Ice Dance International

SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL ðEva Pate & Logan Bye 2022 Lake Placid Ice Dance International - Senior Ice Dance - July 28, 2022 - 1980 Herb Brooks Arena, Lake Pl...

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Cant wait to see it live at Nats.
It would be hard to beat Jason Brown's rendition. I did enjoy Rika Hongo's because I enjoyed Rika Hongo, I guess.
There are certain constraints in ice dance comps but I wonder for a gala performance, if any couple could really pull it off to the level of Jason Brown?
I dont skate so I cant appreciate how hard it would be but maybe Davis and White could have pulled off this high energy piece.

Spectacular.... What an amazing journey. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I hope you had the best time.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

I'll have to look for it but, I could swear I saw Takeshi Honda use Riverdance. It might have been an exhibition. I'll Be Bach!! Found it. This performance was from 4CC..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AbPZVpS7A

Yes! Here's the Worlds version where he won Bronze IIRC. Those step sequences are what I'm talking about, as authentic as a singles skater can get. I miss the days of step sequences like his straight line in this video.
I also miss when Morozov was a good choreographer like that LOL!

 

[CoyoteChris]

I remember folks talking about Bourne and Kraatz when Jason's Riverdance first took off, and I also barely remembered it, so I went back and took a look.

Not really easy to compare from my limited observation skills, because it is ice dance and not singles, but it simply did not touch me the way that Jason's did. And I was trying to be objective, believe it or not. . But I could see the mastery and skills involved.

That said, Riverdance is a warhorse, and it will be used in skating this year, next year, and other years, and I can't really say Jason has a complete lock on it.

OTOH, if any skater tries to skate to Sinnerman in the next ten years, they're out of their flipping mind.

I am partial to JB but I have to admit that even though its apples and oranges, B/K version was very good....Nagano 1998. Many Japanese skaters of today werent even born yet. The scoring box was very well done. (The crowd around Elvis wasnt too enthusiasitc)
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[Ic3Rabbit]

I am partial to JB but I have to admit that even though its apples and oranges, B/K version was very good....Nagano 1998. Many Japanese skaters of today werent even born yet. The scoring box was very well done. (The crowd around Elvis wasnt too enthusiasitc)
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LOL I mentioned this performance in my first post!

 

[CoyoteChris]

Yes! Here's the Worlds version where he won Bronze IIRC. Those step sequences are what I'm talking about, as authentic as a singles skater can get. I miss the days of step sequences like his straight line in this video.
I also miss when Morozov was a good choreographer like that LOL!

ITA about the footwork sequence in this performance, although he really needed to be able to use his face to project his performance to the audience, a la JB.
And Morozov is having another baby! Maybe he will choreo another RD to comemerate the event.