Unratified technical "firsts"

[eppen]

Please, please send me the link as soon as it’s up! I absolutely adore your posts and I can see how you already have those sections by how well your data organized and presented.

All Quads, Great and Small or Quad Titans is all I can think of the top of my head

I will! The name of the whole blog will be in Latin (a somewhat weird must for personal reasons), but those could be excellent names for individual posts on quads

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[kolyadafan2002]

I'm going to quickly give special mention to Surya Bonaly 4S clip here:

Surya Bonaly CLEAN Quad Salchow

Mao Asada Miki Ando Kim Yuna

www.youtube.com

I'd say it was underrotated, but it wasn't lacking any more than Miki Ando's first quad salchow :?

 

[lariko]

I will! The name of the whole blog will be in Latin (a somewhat weird must for personal reasons), but those could be excellent names for individual posts on quads

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Oh, boy! I can’t even figure out how to correctly name fantasy Legions in Latin… anyway, awaiting your site with great anticipation.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Sherbakova beat him to it (assuming sherbakova wouldn't get edge call).

Well, in that case we must give Petr the 4T-3T-3Lo at least. I'm pretty sure Anna doesn't do the quad toe, so he should be safe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sotbXaADj88

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Well, in that case we must give Petr the 4T-3T-3Lo at least. I'm pretty sure Anna doesn't do the quad toe, so he should be safe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sotbXaADj88

Alas, I think Plushenko did the first one of those!

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Well, in that case we must give Petr the 4T-3T-3Lo at least. I'm pretty sure Anna doesn't do the quad toe, so he should be safe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sotbXaADj88

Plushenko did it first, but Anna did it in practice as well

Anna Shcherbakova (RUS) - 4T-3T-3Lo (In Practice)

m.youtube.com

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Plushenko did it first, but Anna did it in practice as well

Ok, Petr, I'm sorry, I tried to make it happen for you in this thread, but seems you really gotta up your combo game if you want to beat Anna and Plush. Let me know when you do 4Lz-4T-4Lo...

 

[EyesOfLove]

Surya Bonaly's 4T<: https://youtu.be/4mmZhBy1IXQ?t=43

And though Sandra Bezic initially calls it two-footed, it was actually landed on one foot, as she says after seeing the slow-mo replay.

 

[4everchan]

Alas, I think Plushenko did the first one of those!

plushy and i think kevin reynolds too...

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Yes to Vladimir Samoilov, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Dft3ycdlA
No idea about Michael but it's definitely possible.
I know multiple people who have done them before in training (once or twice, but never consistent) who just never bothered attempting in competition for a variety of reasons.
And this in under ISU, where you get credit for attempts rather than just clean jumps.
in 6.0, there was little incentive to attempt inconsistent jumps as the penalties of anything but absolute success were quite high.

Holy crap these jumps are SO good! I just looked up that he is representing Poland and was banned from training in Russia. Hopefully he can regain his tech ability.

Also interesting how he does his quad lutz off a curve, which is rare for a lutz in general.

Wikipedia says he has videos of a quad lutz Eu quad salchow?! Anyone have a link to THAT?! Or was it taken down because for fearing of revealing he's an alien from another planet, lol?

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Wikipedia says he has videos of a quad lutz Eu quad salchow?! Anyone have a link to THAT?! Or was it taken down because for fearing of revealing he's an alien from another planet, lol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBTopH_cTU

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBTopH_cTU

Thanks! And holy cow that’s insane!

 

[Joe Mendoza]

still working on my beautiful 4A4Lz4Lo combo - but not sure how to post a clip of it here from my dreams. lol

 

[kolyadafan2002]

still working on my beautiful 4A4Lz4Lo combo - but not sure how to post a clip of it here from my dreams. lol

I'd be more impressed that you can jump 4Lz+4Lo the other way than you being able to do a 4A.

 

[eppen]

Holy crap these jumps are SO good! I just looked up that he is representing Poland and was banned from training in Russia. Hopefully he can regain his tech ability.

He has now competed twice for Poland and it has really not been very great with regard to jumps - the only quad is a downgraded 4S twice (Add: The other one was actually a good one, sorry for the mistake and thanks for the correction, just my sloppiness.)

His track record before this fall is ok - he has 75 quads in competition (as far as I could find) and most of them (69) in Russian domestic competitions. Mostly 4S (54), then some 4Lz (19) and a few 4F (2), positive GOEs for all of them, though for the 4Lz these are from the 2019-20 season and for the 4F from 2017-8.

The difference what he can do in practice and competition really emphasizes the difficulty of jumping in programs!

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[kolyadafan2002]

He has now competed twice for Poland and it has really not been very great with regard to jumps - the only quad is a downgraded 4S twice

His track record before this fall is ok - he has 75 quads in competition (as far as I could find) and most of them (69) in Russian domestic competitions. Mostly 4S (54), then some 4Lz (19) and a few 4F (2), positive GOEs for all of them, though for the 4Lz these are from the 2019-20 season and for the 4F from 2017-8.

The difference what he can do in practice and competition really emphasizes the difficulty of jumping in programs!

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In golden spin 2021 sp he landed a clean 4S in the sp I believe. Then he messed up the 3A.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

The difference what he can do in practice and competition really emphasizes the difficulty of jumping in programs!

Indeed, this seems to be a constant source of frustration for Samoilov. In a recent interview he said

I'm not denying that I have a problem with my head. Everyone emphasizes that "you can do everything, but you're a fool." I know I'm a fool, so help me with that. Everyone discounts the fact that everything is given to me, only I do not show anything. Thank you.

It really is a pity when some guys have so much talent, but just aren't natural competitors.
On top of that, he is dealing with injury. I actually felt quite bad after we had a bit of a laugh about his FS at Golden Spin (it is a bizarre program) and his coach then said that he had just started practising trixels again two weeks before the competition and therefore naturally struggled with consistency.

 

[4everchan]

Indeed, this seems to be a constant source of frustration for Samoilov. In a recent interview he said


It really is a pity when some guys have so much talent, but just aren't natural competitors.
On top of that, he is dealing with injury. I actually felt quite bad after we had a bit of a laugh about his FS at Golden Spin (it is a bizarre program) and his coach then said that he had just started practising trixels again two weeks before the competition and therefore naturally struggled with consistency.

sounds like Emmanuel Sandhu... oh well... he needs to consult a performance anxiety specialist

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Indeed, this seems to be a constant source of frustration for Samoilov. In a recent interview he said


It really is a pity when some guys have so much talent, but just aren't natural competitors.
On top of that, he is dealing with injury. I actually felt quite bad after we had a bit of a laugh about his FS at Golden Spin (it is a bizarre program) and his coach then said that he had just started practising trixels again two weeks before the competition and therefore naturally struggled with consistency.

That’s really sad. I hope he can come back and overcome his mental issues because there is clearly talent.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Reviving this thread with (you guessed it) Petr Gumennik, 4Lo-3Lo: