Chinese National Championships: 27th - 28th December 2014

sunnystars · Dec 28, 2014

Thanks May and yyyskate for the info!

Also, do you guys know who's in China's 4CC team already or is that info going to be given out after this nationals?

May · Dec 28, 2014

SkateFiguring said:
Shouldn't it be ZHENG Xun instead of XUN Zheng?

Oops, I got tired late at night and mistyped his name... Thanks for correcting me!

SkateFiguring said:
I feel bad for Yan Han and Song Nan. Wish them both speedy recoveries into their best selves on international stages, at Worlds for Han I assume, maybe 4CC. Poor Nan certainly has had more than his fair share of physical sufferings.

Yan Han mentioned in an interview last month that he would attend 4CC.

sunny_stars said:
Thanks May and yyyskate for the info!

Also, do you guys know who's in China's 4CC team already or is that info going to be given out after this nationals?

You are welcome

The 4CC team of China hasn't been annouced yet. But Yan Han has mentioned he will attend the competition.

I've tried to make some assumption with the MTS requirement and available information as follows:

For Dance: The only ice dance teams in China with the MTS for 4CC are the teams who attended COC this year: Wang Shiyue / Liu Xinyu, Zhang Yiyi / Wu Nan and Zhao Yue / Zheng Xun. So the dance team for 4CC is likely to be the same as COC.

For Pairs, both Sui Wenjing / Han Cong and Peng Cheng / Zhang Hao will probably attend 4CC. The third spot is likely to go to Wang Xuehan / Wang Lei, as Yu Xiaoyu / Jin Yang will attend Winter Universal instead. (So will Song Nan, Liu Jiaxing and Zhao Ziquan according to annoucement on CSA website. The compete entry of Chinese figure skating team for Winter Universal hasn't been annouced yet, though)

For Ladies: Li Zijun, Zhao Ziquan (attending WU), Guo Xiaowen and Zhang Kexin have the MTS. It remains to be see if Kexin is back to competition form at that time and whether Xiaowen can come back to her last year's form, though.

For Men: Yan Han, Jin Boyang, Song Nan (attending WU), Wang Yi, Guan Yuhang, Zhang He, Zhang Wenbo and Li Tangxu (not age eligible) have the MTS. Other than Yan Han, Wang Yi and Guan Yuhang has competed in COC this year, while Jin Boyang and Zhang He have shown decent performance in JGP. So it's a bit hard to predict who will attend 4CC aside from Yan Han.

Violet Bliss · Dec 29, 2014

May said:
Oops, I got tired late at night and mistyped his name... Thanks for correcting me!

I thank you for all the work of bringing us all the information. Moreover, I enjoy studying the name list. Also interesting to me includes:

15.徐做人 XU Zuoren

and

16.王一 WANG Yi

which, in contrast to complicated "Xin", was probably chosen so it was easy for him to learn to write, as well as an easy time when ordered to write his name a hundred times on the blackboard.

Very considerate parents. :yes:

I have high hopes for Han at 4CC and Worlds.

May · Dec 29, 2014

Videos:
(All these videos were filmed from rinkside and posted by skating fans :cheer2:

HanDomi · Dec 29, 2014

oh dear, I posted it in wrong thread

Here is Boyang's free program:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODU5MTMwMDYw.html

My look on this:

Jumps quality much better than usual, but still there is something that this jumps doesn't look fully nice. From what I read he received 80 PCS and 100 TES

I am afraid they are developing him only with jumps by look of things, I don't see any progress in other things than jumps

cruzceleste · Dec 29, 2014

HanDomi said:
oh dear, I posted it in wrong thread

Here is Boyang's free program:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODU5MTMwMDYw.html

My look on this:

Jumps quality much better than usual, but still there is something that this jumps doesn't look fully nice. From what I read he received 80 PCS and 100 TES

I am afraid they are developing him only with jumps by look of things, I don't see any progress in other things than jumps

Do you think there is some national inflation or this score will translate to international?

And I don´t think Boyang will grow much, at 17 is very rare for a male to grow much. He will probably will be tiny like Machida and Shoma.

HanDomi · Dec 29, 2014

cruzceleste said:
Do you think there is some national inflation or this score will translate to international?

And I don´t think Boyang will grow much, at 17 is very rare for a male to grow much. He will probably will be tiny like Machida and Shoma.

I don't know. I don't have protocols so propably TES is about right, but PCS is in my opinion way too high if Shoma didn't get 80 PCS at his nationals even

cruzceleste · Dec 29, 2014

HanDomi said:
I don't know. I don't have protocols so propably TES is about right, but PCS is in my opinion way too high if Shoma didn't get 80 PCS at his nationals even

I´m watching Boyang ISU biography and his best score from this year were:
SP 75.30, so I´m guessing the new quad in the second part made up for it.
LP 151.04 so +2 quads.

dorispulaski · Dec 29, 2014

Wow!!!! Thanks so much for video links!!

Violet Bliss · Dec 29, 2014

Comparing scores from different events can be rather spurious but comparison of scores from different Nationals is completely pointless. IIRC Chinese Nationals are not so prone to over inflate. Of course, I think the JSF is wise to have a strict Tech Panel for its Nationals so their skaters will be well prepared for major international events.

I like both Han's programs very much but feel he didn't perform his best in the Nationals. I have to re-watch Boyang as the video streaming was sporadic.

HanDomi · Dec 29, 2014

cruzceleste said:
I´m watching Boyang ISU biography and his best score from this year were:
SP 75.30, so I´m guessing the new quad in the second part made up for it.
LP 151.04 so +2 quads.

This was his LP score with 3 quads and SP without quad

anyanka · Dec 29, 2014

HanDomi said:
Boyang Jin FS score - 180 ? So what was his TES and PCS if you have info, thanks ? :shocked:

Uh, YEAH. We need to see them protocols. That is a monster score! :jaw:

Would he go to Junior Worlds?

HanDomi · Dec 29, 2014

anyanka said:
Uh, YEAH. We need to see them protocols. That is a monster score!

Would he go to Junior Worlds?

He received 100 TES and 80 PCS

I don't know what plans are, but I wouldn't be surprised if he go to senior Worlds

Poice · Dec 29, 2014

HanDomi said:
I don't know. I don't have protocols so propably TES is about right, but PCS is in my opinion way too high if Shoma didn't get 80 PCS at his nationals even

From protocol Boyang's LP: TSS: 180.24 TES: 101.24 PCS: 79.00
1 4S 10.50 2.00 2 2 2 2 2 = 12.50
2 4T+2T 11.60 1.33 1 1 2 2 1 = 12.93
3 3A 8.50 1.00 1 0 0 2 2 = 9.50
4 StSq2 2.60 0.17 0 0 0 1 1 = 2.77
5 4T 11.33 x 1.33 2 1 1 2 1 = 12.66
6 3Lz+3T 11.11 x 0.93 1 1 2 2 0 = 12.04
7 CCoSp3p3 3.00 0.33 1 0 1 1 0 = 3.33
8 3F+1Lo+3S 11.00 x 0.70 1 1 1 2 1 = 11.70
9 CSSp3 2.60 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 = 2.60
10 3Lo 5.61 x 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 = 5.61
11 ChSq1 2.00 0.00 0 1 0 0 0 = 2.00
12 3Lz 6.60 x 0.70 1 1 1 1 1 = 7.30
13 FCSp3 2.80 0.50 1 0 1 1 1 = 3.30

PCS
SS 7.50 7.75 8.25 8.00 8.00 = 7.92
TR 7.25 7.75 8.00 7.75 8.00 = 7.83
PE 7.75 7.75 8.00 8.25 8.25 = 8.00
CH 7.50 7.75 8.25 8.00 8.00 = 7.92
IN 7.50 7.50 8.25 8.00 8.00 = 7.83

I can't even....Han Yan got 82.82 PCS with 8.33 in SS :drama:

Violet Bliss · Dec 29, 2014

anyanka said:
Uh, YEAH. We need to see them protocols. That is a monster score!

Yes, but he has a monster BV - 3 quads + 7 hardest triples save for 2 3Ts in combos. And no negative GOEs.

How many Senior Men have such high BV?

HanDomi · Dec 29, 2014

SkateFiguring said:
Yes, but he has a monster BV - 3 quads + 7 hardest triples save for 2 3Ts in combos. And no negative GOEs.

How many Senior Men have such high BV?

From this protocol Boyang BV is 89

Yuzuru current layout (2 quads ) is 90, and 95 ( 3 quads planned )
Others planned was if I remember Tatsuki and Javier at about 84 ?

Violet Bliss · Dec 29, 2014

HanDomi said:
From this protocol Boyang BV is 89

89.25 with the levels given at this event.

eta. I see you already calculated. I quoted your original question but what is shown is the edited version. :think:

etaa. Hanyu's 4S generally does not earn its BV.

matmuh · Dec 29, 2014

thanks may and everyone provided updates and links, so many nationals this week,so hard to keep up :drama:

Poice · Dec 29, 2014

I just saw Boyang's Lp and I'm quite in shock :drama:

He really improved his landings on jumps and also spins look much better. Unfortunately program is boring and forgettable but if he lands his jumps he can even medal at Worlds.

AprilS · Dec 29, 2014

I heard that skaters get bonus points at chinese nats if they do a quad in mens or a 3-3 in ladies or something? Is this true?

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