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According to some fans who went to COC, Han yan's SS cannot be compared to yuzuru:scratch:but I also agree that at least from my computer screen, he looks good. I think he also has pretty good PCS.
Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season
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According to some fans who went to COC, Han yan's SS cannot be compared to yuzuru:scratch:but I also agree that at least from my computer screen, he looks good. I think he also has pretty good PCS.
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^Well that a skater can´t compare to Yuzuru, doesn´t exactly mean that they are bad... 
Wow I really want to know in which competition those haters are saying he was overscored? Actually I do not think he has a stable pcs as some other skaters. And I cannot agree with one of the thread above. What is "every other skater has to do perfectly each time to win" or something like that? Excuse me, who is doing perfectly each time among men and did not win? Don't say it's Nam or Shoma ...Actually because most skaters need to do one or two more quads even conducting all the planned jumping passes is difficult for them. A healthy Yuzuru and Patrick are only ones I think may do that constantly among top and 'old' skaters. Javi is also good at least better than others I think. We call Yuzuru "the King of GOE" as jokes but it is true that he did very well in all his jumps except for the ones he fell during GPF and Nationals. Other skaters finished the jumps, but yuzuru killed them, flying high and going far, with stable rotating axis, beautifully landed, right with the music.
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I don't think its the fact that Yuzu is over scored (with some exceptions 
), I just think the other skaters don't necessarily get what they deserved and are under scored. What I like about him though is that he knows when he is over scored and is even surprised. Good to know that he doesn't think he automatically deserves his scores but that he needs to earn them. 
of course though his status is always gonna help him in some ways, whether we like it or not.
), I just think the other skaters don't necessarily get what they deserved and are under scored. What I like about him though is that he knows when he is over scored and is even surprised. Good to know that he doesn't think he automatically deserves his scores but that he needs to earn them. of course though his status is always gonna help him in some ways, whether we like it or not.I am guessing Yuzuru is already in Toronto now? I kind of hope he just do excatly the same programs as in GPF and Nationals because I am still a little worried about his health. But what do I know. I did not expect he could do so well in GPF before it began.
That way I don't know what to say....
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Fer, I totally agree with you. I tried to think of skaters who have similar skills, or who have skated perfectly to gain pcs but are still ignored by judges. I can't come up with an example. Some skaters have very good pcs related skills and they are well recognized in their pcs. I can even say they receive very generous (inflated) pcs compared to yuzuru. Yuzuru is not the one who can mess up his programs for a few times and still gets pcs buffer.
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Everyone's scores, -including Yuzu's- are topics open to discussion. Otherwise a forum like this wouldn't exist. It's okay that some people have differing opinions, and even heated debates about scores...as long as it doesn't turn nasty or insulting. Yuzu's the best in the world at the moment...so he gets much more scrutiny than skaters at a lower level. This, I think, is fine and good.
What a cute and funny Comic!
http://shampooneko.tumblr.com/image/110591917730
Here is another Yuzu portrait done by one of my sisters.
http://fav.me/d8grcn7
What a cute and funny Comic!
http://shampooneko.tumblr.com/image/110591917730
Here is another Yuzu portrait done by one of my sisters.
http://fav.me/d8grcn7
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He gets high GOE because his spins and jumps and steps are all performed on a high level. Tell me who jumps more beautifully than Yuzuru at the moment?
That's the spiel often heard from anti-Hanyus: judges always overscore him because (insert reasons: he's Japan's top man, he's Brian Orser's student, he's the Olympic Champion, they just like him).
Han Yan's jumps are long but not as high, and he's been injured/ill so many times this season. Javi's jumps are powerful but he rotates slower. Voronov's jumps are high but he telegraphs his jumps a lot. Kovtun's jumps are high but not easy to the eyes at all. And as some posters who has analyzed all top skaters' jump recently in the reference forum, Yuzuru's jumps indeed are the highest in average (same height in quads as Javi who people assumes to have more power, some triples are higher). And let's not forget about Yuzuru's landing when he's on.
Not to mention his spins aren't just so so like Javi. He has excellent spins, fast and well-centered most of the time.
Regard of PCS, among the top men at GPF, people who have seen him live confirmed that he has great ice coverage, with lightness and beautiful stroking sound (report from Twitter and many posters). Yes his posture is not ideal but people are exaggerating a lot, he doesn't slouch all the time, he actually has good positions in jumps, spins and steps... As some Japanese documentary has pointed out, his upper body's angle was 45 degree when existing his jump, the smallest among all medalists in Sochi. So to say him has terrible posture is just wrong.
People can like his artistry or dislike, it depends on their taste I have no opinion, but statistic and comments from people who have watched him live don't lie. Some posters have showed article/research saying that Yuzuru's statistics (like speed, ice coverage...) are only behind Patrick Chan. And that was from last season. This season he has improved A LOT. And I am not even taking into account his terrible condition at all.
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People always have something to say about someone. Don't hold it to heart because eventually Yuzu will prove them wrong (like he usually does 
)Thank you for all the updates, and I think its good that Yuzuru went all ninja on us. It means he finally have some time for himself
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This is why he is a champion! I think Yuzu's most impressive gifts (and there are many...) are his fight, determination, focus and drive. Given so many obstacles this season that would have had other skaters withdrawing like crazy, he fought through and came out a winner. I have no doubt he will give it his all at Worlds and be on the podium, most likely the top spot.
One of the the things I love about watching Yuzuru is that he silences his critics through results and not words. People can question all they want about whether he deserves to be in the GPF, and he just came out and skated programs that 'slapped critics in the face' LOL not the best way to word it, but after seeing him perform like that, not even the most unreasonable critics can question his GPF title, or his status as the best in the men's field right now.
Awesome topic, This is My current top7 his EX program (performance).
① White Legend at Olympic 2014 (watched more than 100 times already,
It looks incredibly stunning even more on the TV with high-quality version, too bad that they don’t allow it )
② Romeo+Juliet1.0 at Worlds 2014 (magnificent and perfection, I still can't decide which EX to choose for my no.1)
③ The Final Time Traveler at FOI 2014 (I just can’t take the beauty)
④ Hello, I love you at SOI 2013 (because I love Rock, the choreography and his hydroblading)
⑤ Notre-Dame de Paris at TEX 2013 (one outstanding performance from him)
⑥ Hana wa Saku at NHK 2014 (It’s about hopes but it makes me kinda sad at the same time so yea…)
⑦ Change at TOI 2014 (very fun, He looks so happy and even the fall is cute
You've probably seen this version before since you loved white legend so much... but just in case, this is my fav version
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1t36w8_2014名古屋_sport
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:thumbsup: Yuzuru is the fierce fighter and that's what I love about him.This is why he is a champion! I think Yuzu's most impressive gifts (and there are many...) are his fight, determination, focus and drive. Given so many obstacles this season that would have had other skaters withdrawing like crazy, he fought through and came out a winner. I have no doubt he will give it his all at Worlds and be on the podium, most likely the top spot.
Seriously, regardless of all his achievements, I am not blind to think that he's the best in every aspect.
I still think he should improve his 4S consistency, or drop it all together and replace it with the 4lo (heck, even if he doesn't land it, it's still the 4lo
). I do think he looks sloppy but no, his posture is not tedious, just not absolutely beautiful, if you want to know what bad posture is, look at Kovtun and Elena Radinova (yet I love her). I hope Yuzuru will take ballet lesson seriously this summer, he can fix his posture, his extension to much better degree since he has the ideal body type. His spins are all good, but the Biellmann isn't very pleasing either (still much better than...eh Serafima though). He's one of the few skaters that I don't mind the butt spin, but I hope he will change to another position (like the final spin he did in PW). His skating skill has improved a lot, still not on the level of Kozuka or Patrick, so I hope he will reach their level of SS once day.
Overall I think he really needs to fix that 4S or switch to 4Lo (if you're going to fall or make mistake, rather do it on the 4lo than 4S lol) and drop the 3lz3T combination. I think a new jump layout in the SP might help him improve. What about 3A, 4T2T or 4T3T and 3lz? He might struggle at first, but in the long term, trying different layouts might help IMO.
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His SP layout is smart and executed perfectly by him gives him some extra points. Why he is doing 3Lz3T , not 4T3T you ask ? Because he gets bonus for combo in 2nd half , and he has such quality on 4T that he is without the combo on it almost getting +3, and he should be getting +3 across the board for his perfect 4T, and 3lz3T is likely to get higher GOE than solo 3lz
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Yes and I get that the risk on 3lz3T is less than with 4T3T. But since he is having trouble with the 3lz3T why don't change it?
What about 4T, 3lz and 3A3T?
3A combos are not allowed in SP. Actually I think waiting with combo in short even for 3lz to the end is higher risk than 4T3T. Because you are going to attempt 4T anyway, and if you will land good 4T that's not big deal for this top skaters to add 3T to this
