2015 Worlds Ladies Short Program March 26

[Iscariot]

Silly to compare Mao with Liza, or Midori with Mao or anyone but Liza an herself by accomplishing something great. The others are or were not even competing!!!
Congrats to Liza not my favorite program/choreography but the interpretation and those JUMPS!!, I hope somehow, someday she will have a program that will be worth breaking the record with, she is capable of getting 80+

 

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Lmao at all the Mao ubers.

Stay pressed.

Same for Mao haters stay hating

 

[gotoschool]

Silly to compare Mao with Liza, or Midori with Mao or anyone but Liza an herself by accomplishing something great. The others are or were not even competing!!!
Congrats to Liza not my favorite program/choreography but the interpretation and those JUMPS!!, I hope somehow, someday she will have a program that will be worth breaking the record with, she is capable of getting 80+

I am impressed with Liza and glad that she was able to achieve her goal.
I didn't want to bring anyone else up but Mao was dragged into the discussion in a critical way and she is my favorite skater, so I felt I had to make a comment.

 

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You're right, of course. Mao had the balls to do the 3A is which a lot more than any of the other ladies of her era could say. I'm hurting over Brooklee and should not have said that.

I am hurting over Brooklee too. I love her and I hope she comes back stronger next season

 

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Same for Mao haters stay hating

Liza is being nitpicked to death and Yuna is being unnecessarily scorned but Mao is not getting any hate here. Surely if you've been going through this thread you would notice that the one rude thing said about her was taken back and apologized for.

 

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I thought Alaine's score is generous compared to her relatively clean SP performance at 4CC which resulted in 58.50 (32.23+26.27). She managed to land all jumps at Worlds, but the landings were shaky. She tends to screw up her FS with a lot of URs and even downgrades, so unless she has built a consistency on jumps at FS as shown in SP just like Rika, her PCS would not get higher.

Here is the problem. PCS is not supposed to be a reputation mark. Nor is it supposed to have anything to do with how you have landed your jumps in past competitions. That is an absolutely incorrect way of looking at it, and what people complain about when they complain about it.

Also, I was in no way comparing/commenting on the relative positions of Chartrand/Hongo. Hence prefacing my remarks on Hongo with "On another topic..." I was actually comparing more relative placements of Chartrand/Pogorilaya/Gold — who are in a virtual tie anyway. Hongo is simply a skater that I found to have been scored very generously at this competition.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention how amazing Liza was. Wow, wow, wow. To think, last year she was nowhere in the Russian ladies conversation, let alone on the international stage. Extremely impressive. If she can continue to deliver that kind of technical content, she could dominate the ladies field in the next few years. I don't think anyone else is even close to delivering that right now.

 

[Icey]

It's more like, there are only three jumping passes, and most women are smart enough to avoid the jumps that would give them problems in the short.

Right. And although comparisons between competitions is shaky, there were 5 e calls at 2014 worlds.

 

[Violet Bliss]

I would be remiss if I didn't mention how amazing Liza was. Wow, wow, wow. To think, last year she was nowhere in the Russian ladies conversation, let alone on the international stage. Extremely impressive. If she can continue to deliver that kind of technical content, she could dominate the ladies field in the next few years. I don't think anyone else is even close to delivering that right now.

Queen Tukt is in a league of her own right now. Technical prowess and sass like nobody else.

 

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Liza is being nitpicked to death and Yuna is being unnecessarily scorned but Mao is not getting any hate here. Surely if you've been going through this thread you would notice that the one rude thing said about her was taken back and apologized for.

How is Yuna being scorned? And Yes some people are nitpicking Mao's triple axel. Not hate, but I was responding to someone calling Mao ubers.

 

[Icey]

Who are the six women who have landed triple axels in competition? Eliza, Mao, Midori, Tonya and which two am I missing?

Yukari Nakano and Ludmillia Nedlina. Someone said Meissener, but her's was not done at an international competition, but the US competition.

 

[Amei]

How is Yuna being scorned? .

It's a product of her uber fans going on a warpath if someone says something that vaguely mentions a skater might be better at something than their "queen". Yuna by all accounts is a lovely person, unfortunately her own fans are causing people to despise the mention of her name.

 

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It's a product of her uber fans going on a warpath if someone says something that vaguely mentions a skater might be better at something than their "queen". Yuna by all accounts is a lovely person, unfortunately her own fans are causing people to despise the mention of her name.

Oh c'mon...this doesn't apply here.

Can someone translate Elena's interview? I wonder why she seemed let down in the K&C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25kWmNKzQ7I

 

[Jammers]

Today is an example of what's wrong with US Ladies. I'm tired of hearing how hard it must have been to skate well after Liza well guess what Satoko and Elena had no problem following her. The Japanese and Russian girls came here to win i don't know what the hell was going through the US Ladies head. No heart and no fight.

 

[Crossover]

Here is the problem. PCS is not supposed to be a reputation mark. Nor is it supposed to have anything to do with how you have landed your jumps in past competitions. That is an absolutely incorrect way of looking at it, and what people complain about when they complain about it.

Also, I was in no way comparing/commenting on the relative positions of Chartrand/Hongo. Hence prefacing my remarks on Hongo with "On another topic..." I was actually comparing more relative placements of Chartrand/Pogorilaya/Gold — who are in a virtual tie anyway. Hongo is simply a skater that I found to have been scored very generously at this competition.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention how amazing Liza was. Wow, wow, wow. To think, last year she was nowhere in the Russian ladies conversation, let alone on the international stage. Extremely impressive. If she can continue to deliver that kind of technical content, she could dominate the ladies field in the next few years. I don't think anyone else is even close to delivering that right now.

However unlike your claim, you indeed compared Alaine and Rika by questioning about Rika's score and your impression on Rika's performance here. Therefore, I showed you the example to compare Alaine's score at 4CC with the World's score. Since you're complaining about Rika's score by saying "judge's love for her" which I disagree because of her lower PCS even than Zijun's, I also think Alaine's PCS should not be higher than Rika's since Rika's jumps were much cleaner than Alaines. They both tend to UR but Rika has more consistency on FS and less URs. The competition is not just for SP, but SP and FS altogether.

Not to mention, keep in mind that Rika is almost in the same position as Alaine. This is their first senior year, but Rika beat Alaine at not only Rostelecome but also at 4CC, and got a higher ranking than Alaine in GP series. Therefore, Rika proceeded to GPF even though it was a substitute for Gracie. That is hardly a reputation as they are building their own career step by step. Rika's PCS is lower than Zijun because of her not pretty postures, but PCS also reflect the jump qualities and their flows. Once Alaine wobbles her required jumps, her PCS would be reflected as well. She did not outperform the 4CC SP, but received a better scores, so I think her SP score at Worlds is generous. Ashley, Anna and Gracie were overscored for sure, but that was not my point in my previous post. The supposition that Alaine's performing in a later group is no use since the starting order and allotted group are decided by their World ranking which reflect their results in international competitions. If Alaine did good, she would get assigned to the last two groups, which is not in reality.

 

[Figure 8's]

Wow! What happened to the US Ladies. Polina above Gracie and Ashley. Ashley way down in 11th! This is crazy! Now they will have to skate lights out to even move up.

 

[OS]

all the insecure lot.

Liza!!!!! Her strategy was outright outrageous because it was so blatantly obvious and I should have sussed a mile away, but it totally works thanks to lesson from previous seasons being COP smart. ie/ 3t3t + tano all season until her PCS get high enough, then 3A and knock it out of the ball park. I wonder how that is going to affect Mao's come back, because at least Liza got a proper lutz and proper 3/3s, so it is she who benefit most from the current change rule system.

I still think her choreographic program was still pretty dire and none existent, but she maximised the heck out of it including all the blew kisses to the judges bits and pieces that only a true Russian can. I can't complain much about her tech anymore, because the 3A was done there and then. No drama, no dozens of press conferences about it. I suspect Frank Carroll is having a nightmare right now with this bat out of hell girl

Gracie/Ashley, you need true love's kiss. Hope you get them!

 

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Today is an example of what's wrong with US Ladies. I'm tired of hearing how hard it must have been to skate well after Liza well guess what Satoko and Elena had no problem following her. The Japanese and Russian girls came here to win i don't know what the hell was going through the US Ladies head. No heart and no fight.

Not fair. Ashley came from last place at GPF to a podium finish, I call that fight.

 

[Ophelia]

all the insecure lot.

Liza!!!!! Her strategy was outright outrageous because it was so blatantly obvious and I should have sussed a mile away, but it totally works thanks to lesson from previous seasons being COP smart. ie/ 3t3t + tano all season until her PCS get high enough, then 3A and knock it out of the ball park. I wonder how that is going to affect Mao's come back, because at least Liza got a proper lutz and proper 3/3s, so it is she who benefit most from the current change rule system.

I still think her choreographic program was still pretty dire and none existent, but she maximised the heck out of it including all the blew kisses to the judges bits and pieces that only a true Russian can. I can't complain much about her tech anymore, because the 3A was done there and then. No drama, no dozens of press conference about it. I suspect Frank Carroll is having a nightmare right now with this bat out of hell girl

Gracie/Ashley, you need true love's kiss. Hope you get them!

Rofl.

 

[MIM]

No way. She doesn't need it. She should stick with the FS layout that has been working for her. She has all of next season to make history with an 8-triple LP. She's already made history with the SP, so right now, she needs to focus on getting her first World title.

:agree: I agree. Mishin has prepared Liza to master a 3A only in SP since GPF. In an interview, Mishin and Liza both saw adding the 3A not only replacing a 2A but weaving it into the rest of the program. And it took her two small competitions to properly patch/adjust the changes. Based on what I have seen, Mishin and Liza are not gamblers. They prepare, examine, revise, then do it when it is fully ready to go! They are like cautious scientists!

And I get the criticism of her choreo/lack of transition etc. I believe her team will take it into consideration for the next season. To give her a credit though, her program was not designed to include the 3A in the beginning, but did their best to step up forward. Just thinking about What she can do with a new choreography featuring the 3A next season excites me.

happy for skaters who break barriers and happy for the sport of figure skating.

That is why I stayed up all night! To witness the sheer moments of those by the skaters seeking out what is beyond!

Lets just say that Mao and Tuks go about the 3A differently. I mean even Midori Ito and Harding launched their 3A very differently. Ito and Harding are crazily powerful considering how small (albeit muscular and strong) they are. They get tremendous height but certainly are not as aesthetically pleasing as Mao's. Tuks is somewhat in between, she has wonderfully solid technique, little pre rotation, it doesn't look like those crazy high kangaroo jumps of Ito and Harding but she has a smooth running edge and extension on the flow out and you do not worry about UR.

I initially thought that with Mao sitting out the season, we will not see another 3A lady for the next 10 years, but it looks like Tuks has proven us wrong. Kudos to Papa Mishin for another big step forward.

I would like to add "Distance" to Liza's 3A. It was not clear in the camera angle of this competition. But her practice clip shows the huge distance!

 

[Figure 8's]

Not fair. Ashley came from last place at GPF to a podium finish, I call that fight.

Well, I hope she can do it again. But she has to get past 11 skaters this time versus 6. Many of those 11 were not in the GPF.