Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[Meoima]

1 point diffrence in fall penalty is not that much when you can post scores 190-200 So for sure he will go for 3 quads anyway. Even if penalty would be 10 points I guess

But I don't understand this point: In the SP, if the program has no combination, the GOE of the jump is automatically -3. Does this mean the GOE for the Jump Combo ONLY? Or for all jumps in SP? :scratch:

 

[Lunna]

ISU has just issued a new Communication on "Scale of Values, Levels of Difficulty and Guidelines for marking Grade of Execution, season 2015-2016" with -4 GOE for fall quad in men only.
http://static.isu.org/media/207718/1944-sptc-sov-communication-2015-2016.pdf

Well, I think it's fair. After all a fall is a fall and still there will be 5 points left.

 

[jace93]

But I don't understand this point: In the SP, if the program has no combination, the GOE of the jump is automatically -3. Does this mean the GOE for the Jump Combo ONLY? Or for all jumps in SP? :scratch:

I think it's just for the jump that should have been in combination

 

[Lindacrow]

But I don't understand this point: In the SP, if the program has no combination, the GOE of the jump is automatically -3. Does this mean the GOE for the Jump Combo ONLY? Or for all jumps in SP? :scratch:

I think its only for the intended jump combo. My question is what if the combo was a quad-triple but you fell on the quad, is it -3 cause it was a combo or -4 cause it was on a quad?

 

[matmuh]

I think its only for the intended jump combo. My question is what if the combo was a quad-triple but you fell on the quad, is it -3 cause it was a combo or -4 cause it was on a quad?

my guess is it will still be -4 cause its a quad :think:

 

[alia jackson]

Is the -4 GOE only for quad fall what about fall on triples?

 

[tzazu]

Is the -4 GOE only for quad fall what about fall on triples?

Toe, sal, flip and lutz -2,1
Axel -3

 

[matmuh]

yeah only for quad; they didnt change GOE table for 3A, used to be same with quad table
i understand wanting to punish falls more but then why not reward when you execute them well?

 

[jace93]

Is the -4 GOE only for quad fall what about fall on triples?

In combos the goe is always based on the scale for jump with the highest bv ...
So if skater A jumps a 4t-3t and falls on the 3 toe the goe will still be -4

 

[alia jackson]

yeah only for quad; they didnt change GOE table for 3A, used to be same with quad table
i understand wanting to punish falls more but then why not reward when you execute them well?

:agree: I wish Yuzu can receive +5 GOEs for his difficult entry 3A with a nice and confident flow landing.

 

[Pika]

Has the ISU gone mad? It's okay to say that a fall is a fall, but in the same way, a quad is a quad ! With all the risk it involves, in compétition AND in everyday training...
Of course I don't especially like those competitions when men fall one by one attempting quads. But I think this rule wont help the sport, at the time when skaters are trying to push boundaries more and more, for the evolution of skating.

 

[alia jackson]

Could someone help me with the following. I'm totally lost, thanks a million.

(1) points for 4T fully rotated and landed
(2) points for 4T fully rotated and falled
(3) points for 4T UR and landed
(4) points for 4T UR and fall


Another thing is if a fall at quad is -4 GOE and the quad is very hard element. What about a fall at any point in the program, is it -1 or -4?

 

[matmuh]

i think its like this
(1) 10,3 (goe depends)
(2) 6,3
(3) 8,0 (and minus goe)
(4) 4

Edit: you mean in betweens the jumps or stsq? i dont think its changed

 

[HanDomi]

btw. I predict Yuzuru will be jumping 4T3T in SP rather than 3Lz3T

 

[Interspectator]

btw. I predict Yuzuru will be jumping 4T3T in SP rather than 3Lz3T

A good prediction! He's been doing the 4-3 combo in the shows quite determinedly.

 

[HanDomi]

the only thing I don't like is that UR quad is only 2 points less than fully rotated quad

 

[Lunna]

btw. I predict Yuzuru will be jumping 4T3T in SP rather than 3Lz3T

With 4T in the second half it could be a good choice (and he can always jump 3Lz3T if landing of 4T will be not good).
I also think that in FS it will be safer to jump 4S, 4T2T, 3F,4T, then 4S, 4T, 3F, 4T2T, but I don't think Yuzuru will agree with me

 

[Meoima]

the only thing I don't like is that UR quad is only 2 points less than fully rotated quad

We will see more Evan... More guys will go for 4T<< and 4S<< and you know...

 

[hamaguri]

Yuzu with sota! Cool!
From sota's,twitter


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHiaaOWUYAA6uTA.jpg

Edit:
Is yuzu in bottom right picuture ? I don't know.. It's like yuzu at the age of 15 or 16...
https://twitter.com/so_ta0110

P.S. Can you see the second image of sota's twitter?
I'm afraid I can't do it well..

 

[matmuh]

^^ sota is gonna be great successor of Yuzu after Yuzu retires, they are both such dorks