Chan v. Hanyu: 2015-16

[4everchan]

deleted my post as really, i just disagree with you BoP and don't want to get into a long debate about Bonaly here

for me interpretation isn't shallow mimicking… but something deeper that works globally with the music… not just with some bits and moments in the music, which is too literal and juvenile for me … but with the overall meaning of a piece. … seasons flow one to the other… they represent evolution, time slowly shifting…. FLOW

 

[usethis2]

She used both skating and upper body to interpret the music and her choreo was rather well constructed to the music in the first half. Unfortunately the 2nd half of the program kind of fizzled, with seemingly random stroking and impromptu arm movements.

Chan's Four Season is indeed formulaic, i.e. constructed for points rather than a wholesome interpretation. And the program was a bit too monotone, IMO, which exacerbate formulaic nature of that program. A little bit of slowdown and a faster-tempo climax might have gone a long way to leave a completely different impression.

Having said that, I can watch Chan's performance all day without getting bored. That is the power of his edges. To put it bluntly I do not think he needs to invest much in interpretation and choreo if all he cares about is points. As long as he can match the highest TES I think he will always win. But making up a deficit in TES with PCS may be hard.

 

[4everchan]

i don't think all he cares about is points… if that was the case, you can be sure he would upgrade his BV.

 

[Ice Dance]

We've been fooling around with the idea of Nam upsetting Patrick and Yuzuru for a while and now I'm actually starting to ponder the idea, it would make a statement, that's for sure

Smile. Murakami is my underdog pick for the event. I figure he has less pressure than Nam. But what the heck. I'll cheer for both of them.

 

[4everchan]

will he land his 4F ?

Smile. Murakami is my underdog pick for the event. I figure he has less pressure than Nam. But what the heck. I'll cheer for both of them.

 

[xibsuarz]

will he land his 4F ?

Wait, he's going for the 4F?! If he does, then we may see almost all types of quads at SC save for the 4Lo, as Adam will surely give his 4Lz a try and the rest of the guys either 4T or 4S :dance:

 

[Franklin99]

Never forget. http://i58.tinypic.com/xlj9qw.jpg

 

[4everchan]

Dice M is indeed working on it and I think tried it earlier this season but don't quote me on this…. you can get the 4Lo in the gala from yuzu

Wait, he's going for the 4F?! If he does, then we may see almost all types of quads at SC save for the 4Lo, as Adam will surely give his 4Lz a try and the rest of the guys either 4T or 4S :dance:

 

[Interspectator]

Dice M is indeed working on it and I think tried it earlier this season but don't quote me on this…. you can get the 4Lo in the gala from yuzu

Here is the huge one he did at the Autumn classic practice. Wow!
http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/6a4e3cf7gw1exat0r370vg20d003mx6p.gif

 

[Marin]

Here is the huge one he did at the Autumn classic practice. Wow!
http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/6a4e3cf7gw1exat0r370vg20d003mx6p.gif

Wow, huge 4Lo :shocked:

 

[HanDomi]

Holy, that was monster 4Lo I always wonder where he gets this height on his quads from this tiny body

 

[giulia95]

Holy, that was monster 4Lo I always wonder where he gets this height on his quads from with this tiny body

monstrous textbook technique for an out of nowhere 4L .

 

[Blades of Passion]

That video looked altered.

 

[Interspectator]

That video looked altered.

Altered how? you mean slowed down?
It's from this practice video http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3...ice-part-1-autumn-classic-international_sport
15:45

 

[matmuh]

Altered how? you mean slowed down?
It's from this practice video http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3...ice-part-1-autumn-classic-international_sport
15:45

wow, i watched that practice video but didnt realize it was 4Lo, thought it was 3Lo haha, shame on me but its his fault that he makes them look easy

 

[Blades of Passion]

Altered how? you mean slowed down?
It's from this practice video http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3...ice-part-1-autumn-classic-international_sport
15:45

Oh. I guess it's totally real. It looked like someone had spliced two takes together in the gif.

That's scary good. :shocked:

 

[HanDomi]

It seems he realistically thinks about including it in competition in future if Brian allows him to practice it now in season time

 

[OS]

I really doubt he's the best in artistic department, sorry. He doesn't reach every viewer artistically, many people noted that he's not really connecting with the audience every time, in fact it happens rarely. He is very good in PSC department but that does not equal artistic.

Art is all encompassing and multidisciplinary, it can be arts and crafts (Patrick), it can also be good design (Illustration, production, features, Hanyu). Audience and judges reception are not the best measurer of artistic credibility either.

Justin Beiber's ability to connect with whole arena of audience should have no bearing on Judi Dench's ability to distance the audience while reciting some obscure Shakespeare play in full command of her craft, even if many can't relate to what she is saying. While Patrick is certainly no Dench, who's more Bieber today than Hanyu

As a life follower of art. I can tell you Patrick has never excited me artistically as an young skater, even when he won world championships with stunning skating skills, but the artistic strides he made the last 2 seasons to improving that aspect of his skating are certainly marvelous and noteworthy (repeating Elegy aside, not a fan of repeating programs). I admire he doesn't compromise art for sport, while with Hanyu, his sporting aspect is amazing, but artistically, he seems stagnant or even regressed. I'd say Romeo&Juliet Version. 1 is still his best work. I may change my mind after Seimei at worlds, the program seems to be improving every time I watch it and I like the direction where he is putting more of himself into it, but the quality of material and artistic direction imo is just as important.

I honestly think it can be anyone's game, no one is a runaway leader at the moment. Patrick is a maestro type of skater at his maturing best already took shape, maybe a little rusty been away for a season, but by the end of the season who knows! Hanyu is a a stunning charismatic star en route to become one of the greatest of all time just like Patrick. Men's skating has never been this exciting.

 

[giulia95]

It seems he realistically thinks about including it in competition in future if Brian allows him to practice it now in season time

Honestly I highly doubt it will depends on Borser if Yuzu decides to train the 4L season time or not, primarily because Yuzu said 4L helped him to stabilize his 4S .

 

[Interspectator]

I have a very different opinion of Hanyu's journey as a skater. Watching the World's 2012 was amazing, but he's faster now, with better posture, more stamina, better jumping technique and better programs and better control over his arms and hands in time to the music.

In 2012-2014 he had Parisienne Walkways, electrifying and energetic, and now we have the Chopin program which is full of his own personal musical interpretation. He changes the choreo with Jeff and also on his own each time to convey something different.
Now with Seimei it's even better.

Patrick too has programs this year that are better than any I have seen from him before.

But if, as you say, Patrick does not compromise art for sport...is he compromising sport for art?

Makes me think of Machida who did everything for the music and for the integrity of the program as an art-form but it proved an extremely risky strategy that only worked once that season before he retired.

Hanyu says he wants to show certain things in his program, (delicacy, strength, music) but he never said he wants to be an 'artist' which I agree with...because that's something he will have ample time to tackle in exhibitions and after he retires. Since figure skating is a sport, after-all. If art is achieved as a side-product, then its a bonus we can all enjoy.
After he retires he intends to have a long pro-career and work with as many skaters as possible (according to the Nobu-Yuzu-Shoma tea-party interview).