Yuna's flip is a flip, I guess we agree on that (Some didn't in the past, because of the fact that they said that it wasn't a clear inside edge. That's why I think that a comparison is valid.). When you look at the way that Gracie is going into the flip, the turns she does before the take-off she's never on an outside edge, there's no counter rotation. That's why it's a flip.Okay, then it wouldn't have been a real flip and it should have been called !
Although I don't know what Yuna's flip have to do with Gracie's.
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The mechanics of a flip is that it takes off on a back inside edge. She took off on a completely flat edge therefore it should have been called as unclear.
I really don't know what you are arguing about here.
A clear inside edge is not necessary for a flip. It's all about the mechanics of the jump.
I think that this is a flip. And because of that Gracie's flip at SA in the FS is a flip as well.
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Lol okay. Its not necessary, but its counted as an error (pretty severe one at that).
"Flip is taken-off from a backward inside edge, Lutz is taken-off from backward outside edge; Technical Panel decides on the take-off edge and indicates errors with signs “e” and “!”. [ISU Communications 2015-16]
Did you watch the video I posted? Or do you think that Yuna's flip should receive a ! nowadays? I have no problem arguing about that. Because there are people around who don't think that Yuna's flip (and I have to mention that, because it's essential) wasn't pristine. I don't think so, but if Yuna's flip is a flip than Gracie's at SA (FS) is as well. No need to laugh about that, or is it?
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Flat edge = unclear edge. Doesn't matter what skater does it.
But I've learnt that you can't change other people's perception of reality so I'm going to drop this conversation because it'll just go around in circles.
Thanks for that explanation, because I know now that we have just different perceptions of what a flip is. I'm ok with that. All skaters should be treated equally. I think Gracie's flip will be accepted by the tech panels (if she's doing the flip like she did it at SA in the FS) because they shouldn't change their perceptions from year to year or from skater to skater.
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Yuna's flip was more on the inside edge than Gracie's tho. Gracie's edge was flat IMO.
The camera angle is a little different. You cannot tell for sure. But it doesn't matter in my opinion, because how Gracie is doing the flip is just fine. The entrance is correct and she doesn't wobble. Some people in the past also thought that they "caught" Yuna with a flat edge on the flip.
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Sam - when you have a chance I'd love to see Jason's quad from Skate America and if possible, also the one from the Ice Challenge. It would be interesting to see why he fell on one and two footed the other, and how far off fully rotated he really is. The ice challenge video is pretty fuzzy so it might not be worth it but the NBC Skate America posted by Sabinfire is really nice quality, so at least that one would work. Thanks!
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Won't happen today but I will get a day off soon enough and get to doing some of these.
Jason, Polina, and Satoko are on my list.
Jason, Polina, and Satoko are on my list.
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Thank you, Sam!
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Jumps can pre-rotate 1/2 turn and land 1/4 turn short. A sufficient Triple Axel might only be 2.75 rotations in the air. The lack of height and weak landings are the bigger problem with Nathan Chen's jumping.
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Ironically, out of all those jumps in the SP the 3Axel seemed to have the best rotation. She must be dedicating a lot of practice time to it.
Another great debut for Mao this season. The LP outing at Japan Open and now this SP at Cup of China is probably the best debut I've seen from her in years, and interestingly enough it's a come-back year, too.
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Sam-Skwantch,
Your Jumpamatrons are the best. Thoughtful edits & high quality. Just LOVE them.
They're really a kind thing to do and share.
Your Jumpamatrons are the best. Thoughtful edits & high quality. Just LOVE them.
They're really a kind thing to do and share.
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Boyang Jin Jumpamatron featuring 4z-3t !!!!
https://youtu.be/GZxyecw1snY
Available up to 720p HD
Thanks for the compliment @just wondering. I'm glad people enjoy them because while they are rewarding and fun to make....I make them in ways I think that other people will enjoy. Hopefully they can contribute to ongoing discussions too. Plus I just love watching videos like this myself.
I honestly start just about video with the intent of just showing the jumps but I can't help but add the choreo and transitions which are my favorite parts of figure skating. They really show the skater's identity and that's really something I hope to show in addition to their jumps to anyone
willing to watch.
Lolz at whoever disliked this video. I actually appreciate that
https://youtu.be/GZxyecw1snY
Available up to 720p HD
Thanks for the compliment @just wondering. I'm glad people enjoy them because while they are rewarding and fun to make....I make them in ways I think that other people will enjoy. Hopefully they can contribute to ongoing discussions too. Plus I just love watching videos like this myself.
I honestly start just about video with the intent of just showing the jumps but I can't help but add the choreo and transitions which are my favorite parts of figure skating. They really show the skater's identity and that's really something I hope to show in addition to their jumps to anyone
willing to watch.
Lolz at whoever disliked this video. I actually appreciate that
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