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i don't think figure skaters save themselves in the lp… au contraire
A fair way to pick GPF finalists?
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I think they most definitely save themselves. Especially 2 Big Gun like Patrick and Max.
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With all due respect, mrrice, that would surprise me very greatly. I have no doubt that both Patrick and Max went out on that ice to lay down as big a score as they could for the SP. Max especially would have known he could not afford any problems, though the lowness of his score surprised even him. It does not benefit either to go low in the SP and shoot for an LP.
They would have gone out there attempting their best, but sometimes, the ice simply has other ideas.
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...since when is Max a "big gun"??
I'm sure Patrick is worried about "bigger guns", like Yuzu and Javier. Even Shoma.
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...since when is Max a "big gun"??
RUDE!!!!!!!!! Come on. The US is a big place and Max was the US Champion and he just won Skate America. That was mean.....:sad21:
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I don't remember the skate order. I'd like to know who skated first? Here's why. As a Dance Coach myself, I have "More than once" watched a rival dancer fall out of a planned quad turn, or a very difficult switch leap combination. I'd tell my dancer not to risk her quad and to do a clean triple as she'll gain the quality execution score for a clean triple which has a higher value than a missed quad. I hope that made sense.
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1) during the LP, skaters have to earn as many points as possible to position themselves, there's no way they take it easy... it's 2 minutes long... not a 2 hour long marathon...
2) with all due respect, Max and Patrick are not in the same league... i agree with mr swagger here... as much as we all like adam and max... they have never medaled at the WC so let's not put them in the higher category... actually... there was even a few comments on the prediction thread as only one or two people had put Max first at SA... as if it was a fluke... we will see if indeed he manages to repeat this amazing achievement.. he is certainly capable of doing so... but in sport, I am very much "i will believe it when I see it... " -this applies to Adam's 4Lz too
2) with all due respect, Max and Patrick are not in the same league... i agree with mr swagger here... as much as we all like adam and max... they have never medaled at the WC so let's not put them in the higher category... actually... there was even a few comments on the prediction thread as only one or two people had put Max first at SA... as if it was a fluke... we will see if indeed he manages to repeat this amazing achievement.. he is certainly capable of doing so... but in sport, I am very much "i will believe it when I see it... " -this applies to Adam's 4Lz too
...since when is Max a "big gun"??
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Of those two, Patrick skated first, as his world ranking is lower than Max's due to his skipping last year. So, it wasn't like Patrick did a double-double combo just because he was worried about Max. And Max certainly would not have looked at Patrick's skate and said, "Well, that didn't go so well for him, I'll just biff my quad combo and take a painful fall on the 3A..."
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chan skated in the first group... max afterwards... so there is no way chan, skating so early was saving himself... too risky.. and if he had been, he would have just done a triple toe combo... he clearly was going for the quad there and had to pop it...
then max... his score is based on high BV... there's no way he can just do less and hope for his PCS to win him anything..
the adjustments you mention are more often seen in the LP... for instance, D/R have a very risky not steady 4Lz throw... at SC they didn't bother attempting it as their lead was big enough... they may attempt it if they really need the extra points... but doing so, is also knowing they may fail.
then max... his score is based on high BV... there's no way he can just do less and hope for his PCS to win him anything..
the adjustments you mention are more often seen in the LP... for instance, D/R have a very risky not steady 4Lz throw... at SC they didn't bother attempting it as their lead was big enough... they may attempt it if they really need the extra points... but doing so, is also knowing they may fail.
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mrrice, let's take pairs... how much of a factor are the us champions in the whole scheme of things... not much... some years, the US champions are WC... some years, they aren't big guns... which is what we can say for the men right now.. the ladies seem to be on the upswing... so you can focus your national pride on them and dance .
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Karne Honey, Don't fool yourself. It's called pressure! Anyone who's ever competed for anything has felt it. You may not respect Max but I can promise you that Patrick does. I was a very good vocalist and made a very good living doing it. I knew I had the "Chops" to beat most singers. That didn't mean I didn't feel pressure if I was auditioning next to a guy I knew had a great voice. I'd put pressure on myself to be great and that's when I sang my worst.
I remember watching the "Battle of the Brian's" Brian Orser made one mistake and it cost him the gold medal. Hanyu is a great skater, that's for sure. However, IMO, Patrick is a better skater. Unfortunately, when the pressure was on, Hanyu handled it better. I don't like pitting skaters against each other by putting one of them down to build the other up. I have a HUGE amount of respect for anyone who puts their body and mind through what these skaters are currently dealing with.
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mr rice omy.. where to start
1) karne LOVES max... she LOVES HIM
2) i don't think hanyu handled the pressure very well at the OG... it's just that Chan handled it worse... for real... they both had a less than good freeskate... Patrick doubled a jump that cost him the gold... but hanyu had actually fallen badly...
3) if you have huge amount of respect for the skaters, then don't write things like " he was playing it safe or saving himself for the long" that is actually not very respectful at all.. these guys are so committed in all possible ways... i don't think patrick came back to competing to just save himself for the longs....
1) karne LOVES max... she LOVES HIM
2) i don't think hanyu handled the pressure very well at the OG... it's just that Chan handled it worse... for real... they both had a less than good freeskate... Patrick doubled a jump that cost him the gold... but hanyu had actually fallen badly...
3) if you have huge amount of respect for the skaters, then don't write things like " he was playing it safe or saving himself for the long" that is actually not very respectful at all.. these guys are so committed in all possible ways... i don't think patrick came back to competing to just save himself for the longs....
Karne Honey, Don't fool yourself. It's called pressure! Anyone who's ever competed for anything has felt it. You may not respect Max but I can promise you that Patrick does. I was a very good vocalist and made a very good living doing it. I knew I had the "Chops" to beat most singers. That didn't mean I didn't feel pressure if I was auditioning next to a guy I knew had a great voice. I'd put pressure on myself to be great and that's when I sang my worst.
I remember watching the "Battle of the Brian's" Brian Orser made one mistake and it cost him the gold medal. Hanyu is a great skater, that's for sure. However, IMO, Patrick is a better skater. Unfortunately, when the pressure was on, Hanyu handled it better. I don't like pitting skaters against each other by putting one of them down to build the other up. I have a HUGE amount of respect for anyone who puts their body and mind through what these skaters are currently dealing with.
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mrrice my dear, I think we have our wires crossed. I do respect Max. I adore his personality and his skating. I follow him faithfully, support him faithfully, and he is on the select list of skaters that I will get up at stupid o'clock in the morning for.
But because I admire and respect him so much, I feel absolutely 100% certain in saying that he would never go on the ice without intending to give 100%. I am also quite confident in saying the same of Patrick. Else why did Max look so upset with himself after the SP?
I am certain that Max and Patrick went onto that ice intending to lay down the best SPs they could. As with other competitions, though, the ice had different ideas.
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lol
In several hours ISU finally will tell us their version of fair way to pick skaters,meanwhile I've already prepared 2 big packs of popcorn, I expect this forum to explode
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Pressure was one thing. The SP ended late yet the top 3 of the men after SP had a press conference to attend, they weren't back to their rooms till after 1AM, and they had to get to an early practice in the morning. I'm sure lack of sleep played a role on their under performances as well.
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I think he handled both SPs tremendously well, I always assumed he got the advantage in the end (Despite both guys underperforming in the FS)
because he looked like a champion throughout that week or so, And Chan didn't manage to, Losing focus on both his SPs, Failing to stay above Plushenko etc...
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