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2016 Mentor Nestlé Nesquik Torun Cup

Annabelle Morozov - 41.07 - 3S(fall... probably UR) 2F 2A

Good skater... but the jumps aren't there... I think there should be one Steps-Spins-Spirals(jumps would just be decoration) contest a year created for good skaters/performers who just don't have the jumps... I've seen Solo Ice Dance and that's not what I have in mind at all.
 
Diana Nikitina - 50.75 - 3Lz+3T 3F 2A

The program doesn't do much for me, but I was expecting a little bit bigger gap between Nikitina and Kurakova as there were less visible errors... the 3T might have been called UR and maybe a ! on the Flip.
 
Is Annabelle Morozov of France, the daughter of choreographer, Morozov?
I missed her time so..I thought if the daughter competes, either Russia or USA would be her representing country.
 
Here's a question... do the skaters decide to come to this competition on their own, or does the fed send them? I was curious about Rose Robinson of Australia, and she was 18th out 20 skaters at this year's nationals (there's also Serena Xu here, who was 6th). If it's the skaters deciding to come that makes sense, but it seems an odd choice for the fed to make (although I'm still really excited to see her skate).
 
Her mother is French... she was 6th at US regionals... the 3S is her only triple.

Thanks for the answer. Since Morozov seems a common surname of Slavic heritage such as Volosozhar's former pair partner and the bronze pair skater at Russian Nationals, the skater named Annabelle could be a different person unrelated to the choreographer. If she was the daughter, the nationality sounds be out of blue, but since her mother is French, that explains enough.
 
Junior Ladies - Short Program

DK leads SP :)

1 Diana NIKITINA LAT 50.75 (31.07+19.68)
2 Anastasia SCHNEIDER SWE 48.88 (27.36+21.52)
3 Ekaterina KURAKOVA RUS 48.32 (27.26+21.06)
 
Here's a question... do the skaters decide to come to this competition on their own, or does the fed send them? I was curious about Rose Robinson of Australia, and she was 18th out 20 skaters at this year's nationals (there's also Serena Xu here, who was 6th). If it's the skaters deciding to come that makes sense, but it seems an odd choice for the fed to make (although I'm still really excited to see her skate).

In Australia, it's the skaters' choice, as far as I know they need to fill in an application form to be nominated for international comps, and there's a minimum score they have to achieve at internal competitions as well. The fed then gives them the assignments.

All eligible Pre-Primary, Primary, Novice athletes in Singles/Pairs/Ice Dance who meet the criteria will be
able to nominate Current International Skating Season (2015/2016).
Only age eligible athletes will be considered for their division in international events.
All competitions will be allocated as evenly as possible across all nominations received.
Top 3 athletes from each division will be allocated a minimum of 2 competitions if nominated for the Current
International Skating Season.
All athletes must compete in their division where they attain the benchmark score, however if the quota for
the event is not met, skaters from higher divisions may be included if they meet the following requirements.
• Age eligibility for the event
• Met the benchmark requirements as set out by ISA
◦ Athlete will be required to achieve the TES score of the division they intend to compete within
their current skating division
▪ i.e. Primary (ISU Basic Novice B) athlete competing at an ISU Basic Novice A Division will be
required to achieve the Pre-Primary TES (FS)
▪ i.e. Novice (ISU Advance Novice) athlete competing at an ISU Basic Novice B Division will
be required to achieve the Primary TES (FS)

Here is a link to the document outlining the policy: http://www.isa.org.au/images/Docume...ection Policy Pre-Primary Primary Novice.pdf

No idea about the other countries though, I imagine they all have different ways of selecting their skaters. Especially the larger countries like Russia.
 
Here's a question... do the skaters decide to come to this competition on their own, or does the fed send them? I was curious about Rose Robinson of Australia, and she was 18th out 20 skaters at this year's nationals (there's also Serena Xu here, who was 6th). If it's the skaters deciding to come that makes sense, but it seems an odd choice for the fed to make (although I'm still really excited to see her skate).

Interesting you have noticed this. Australia have drastically lowered the marks need to skate internationally in the last couple of years. The theory behind this is to give skaters more experience and retain kids in the sport . However many disagreed as the marks used to be quiet high under previous high performance criteria. There are many comps in Australia and NZ skaters could attend but everyone wants a rep jacket and to say they have competed overseas. I guess now the only way to distinguish representatives is by ranking and selection to the bigger comps and the squad. Personally I believe the marks should be much higher as it is clearly not encouraging skaters to work harder. Further it's the same hard working skaters who are consistently improving and getting results who stay in the sport - not the ones who are consistently scoring poorly.
 
Well, finishing last at an international competition can certainly provide plenty of incentive to work harder. As can seeing other world class athletes close up.
 
Well, finishing last at an international competition can certainly provide plenty of incentive to work harder. As can seeing other world class athletes close up.

I agree but the argument has always been parents can send their children to these comps if they receive permission from ISA (not in a representative capacity). Everywhere other state gets no funding except for QLD except if you are at the top. Why QLD continues to spend thousands on skaters who will never get in top 10 and quiet frankly havent worked hard enough to get a free trip to Europe is very strange. Further QLD spent over $30,000 dolllars on the last trip to UAE and will no doubt do so again this year. Sending skaters in primary is not incentive for them to work harder - they have achieved everything by 11 years without working hard to get a jacket which in other sports takes years. Its also very infuriating for older skaters who may never have had the chance to represent and have missed out because its too hard in senior yet they see 10 year olds whizzing around in national jackets who cant even do clean double jumps. I'
m sure USA, Russia and Japan dont just let everyone represent and if the argument is to improve shouldn't that be the model to look at ???
 
Here's a question... do the skaters decide to come to this competition on their own, or does the fed send them? I was curious about Rose Robinson of Australia, and she was 18th out 20 skaters at this year's nationals (there's also Serena Xu here, who was 6th). If it's the skaters deciding to come that makes sense, but it seems an odd choice for the fed to make (although I'm still really excited to see her skate).

excellent question! which country are you from ?
 
They do. It's the same scoring system. If a junior does a quad triple it's worth just as many points as if a senior does a quad triple. It's possible F&B may have another qualifying score, but I remembered their celebration from the JGP in Colorado Springs, and the commentator mentioned that they must have earned some form of qualifying score. So I checked the ISU page with their names, and the Colorado JGP score is listed as their Personal Best.

How else would Nathan be in the running for Worlds? It's generally harder for the junior men to score as well as seniors since they can't do the quad in the SP at junior events, and they have fewer elements that are scored. I'm guessing likewise, the same is often true in dance; but this year, as I mentioned, I believe the junior pattern may have a higher base value than the senior one. Dancers, however, have an especially hard time jumping up from juniors into a senior event because they have to create a different SD to fit the senior rhythm requirements. Singles athletes have to lengthen their FS, but they don't have to select new music. That said, Nazarova & Nikitin did what was necessary and competed in dance at Senior Worlds after their junior season last year. If the Australians wish to do so for 4CCs, they can.

Nathan??
 
excellent question! which country are you from ?

Thanks iskate and everyone for answering! That makes much more sense now. I'm from the US, and I'm pretty sure skaters here get assigned (although I'm sure they're not totally voice-less in the process), hence my confusion. :)
 
Yes, Nathan Chen. I was using him as an example of a high-level junior athlete who has competed only in junior international events; therefore, has earned his senior worlds qualifying scores through the junior system.

Chen skated seniors at US nationals but also was a medalist at junior worlds. I'm pretty sure there must be some rules around this otherwise it would be open slather. He is an exceptional skater - can't see how junior ice dance scores at a JGP could translate to senior worlds !
 
Thanks iskate and everyone for answering! That makes much more sense now. I'm from the US, and I'm pretty sure skaters here get assigned (although I'm sure they're not totally voice-less in the process), hence my confusion. :)

In the USA they def do . They have to pass through sectionals etc even before they are considered for internationals. Then there is a US A & B team
 
Chen skated seniors at US nationals but also was a medalist at junior worlds. I'm pretty sure there must be some rules around this otherwise it would be open slather. He is an exceptional skater - can't see how junior ice dance scores at a JGP could translate to senior worlds !
Suppose McNamara & Carpenter were not competing for US.

Their scores at the JGPF were high enough to qualify for Senior Worlds.
SD. TES. PCS
65.90 34.55 31.35
FD
92.36 44.70 47.66

They could learn a senior level SD, add the extra lift in the FD, and go to Senior Worlds.

And Spirodev & Kaliszek of Poland (sixth at Jr Worlds, 24 at Senior Worlds last season)
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00014997.htm
and Nazarova & Nikitin of Ukraine ( third at Jr Worlds, 17th at Senior Worlds last season)
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012757.htm
have both done both senior and junior worlds in recent years,


This has even happened in the US. Belbin and Agosto did both senior and junior Worlds in 2002.
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_cr_00004499.htm
 
Suppose McNamara & Carpenter were not competing for US.

Their scores at the JGPF were high enough to qualify for Senior Worlds.
SD. TES. PCS
65.9034.55 31.35
FD
92.3644.70 47.66

They could learn a senior level SD, add the extra lift in the FD, and go to Senior Worlds.

And Spirodev & Kaliszek of Poland (sixth at Jr Worlds, 24 at Senior Worlds last season)
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00014997.htm
and Nazarova & Nikitin of Ukraine ( third at Jr Worlds, 17th at Senior Worlds last season)
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012757.htm
have both done both senior and junior worlds in recent years,


This has even happened in the US. Belbin and Agosto did both senior and junior Worlds in 2002.
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_cr_00004499.htm

So as long as they have passed senior test skaters can qualify if their marks are high enough in junior. Thank you didn't realise this
 
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