2016 US Nationals Senior Men SP

[Sugarpova]

woke up & tadaaam wow didnt expect to see Ross at 2nd! yay! Its really strane how 1 programm cna make u a fan of a skater u absolutely didnt care for a year ago Go Ross!
Hopefully Nathan is able to rise in FS!

Happy 4 ya karne:agree:

 

[karne]

Actually when Max finished skating I thought, Well karne will be so happy!

The look of happiness and sheer relief on his face when he finished was priceless.

When he landed the 3Lz I wanted to leap to my feet then and there. I knew then he'd miss nothing else.

I'm so happy and so proud of him. Now, the free skate awaits...I eagerly await to see what changes were made.

 

[sabinfire]

Holy cow, and again I'm using this post as jumping off point, Sabinfire, not a personal attack, but why can't those of us who enjoy skating without quads just be allowed to enjoy it? and understand that medals will probably not result? And that I, at least, am just too old to care?

Is my wanting the USA to be competitive with the rest of the world harming your enjoyment of American skating?

I just want to see competitiveness at skating competitions. Thought that's what they were for.

Nathan Chen made history tonight for American men in the SP with two quads. I consider that to be kind of a big deal. Since Chen didn't make the top 3, reporters at the press conference had to ask guys like Miner and Rippon what they thought about this achievement in American men's skating tonight, and I found that to be sad... especially since none of the guys at the press conference seemed aware of this.

 

[silverlake22]

Anyone else think Max's score should be higher and that Chen should be 2nd?

I know, I know, it's not just about the jumps, but they did good spins and steps too and they both had AMAZING 4-3 combos! Ross and Adam skated well but they got too much GOE for their jumps IMO, they both looked tight on all the jumps. Quads aren't everything but they should make a bigger difference than this in the SP IMO. Liza and Mao can do a SP with the same content as Adam and Ross...

 

[WeakAnkles]

woke up & tadaaam wow didnt expect to see Ross at 2nd! yay! Its really strane how 1 programm cna make u a fan of a skater u absolutely didnt care for a year ago Go Ross!
Hopefully Nathan is able to rise in FS!

Happy 4 ya karne:agree:

The short program is marvelous--the best thing Ross has ever done by a country mile--but the free isn't nearly as strong (at least not so far). So there may be a juggling at the top after the free. We shall see.

 

[MoonlightSkater]

I agree with sabinfire in that the U.S. judges don't seem to be on the same page as the rest of the world about what is competitive. In an international competition, I think Nathan at least would have placed one spot higher and been close to Ross. I know the quad Salchow wasn't perfect and he put a hand down on the triple Axle, but the combination was awesome and his skating skills aren't junk. I appreciate that the judges are getting tough on some things- that's certainly overdue- but the order still felt odd to me. It would be really interesting to have a separate non-official panel of international judges weigh in just to see how they compare.

 

[msteach3]

Thanks for the info' on quads performed, everyone. It's kind of depressing watching men's FS these days because of the absence of successful quads.

US men's skating. The other guys seem to be able to do them. :noshake:

 

[silverlake22]

Ross was great, I'm okay with him being over Nathan, I think the margin should be closer but my bigger issue was Rippon over Chen since Rippon had issues on his own combo and didn't have a quad.

 

[Plisskin]

I can see why Ross is in second because, let's keep it real, Nathan really needs to work on his PCS. But 4th? Adam had a wonky 3-3 combo plus no quad. I like Adam but I'm sorry, he should be sitting in 4th place. USFSA really need to start promoting Nathan. I LOVE pretty skating but solo 3A's and gorgeous spread eagles in Men's doesn't cut it anymore internationally. It might not even be enough to keep three spots at Worlds anymore with the field now.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

I think a lot of fans are feeling a bit of whiplash because after the GP series and seeing what the international panel is rewarding, it's odd to see PCS and GOE sort of scored more appropriately with favoring the quadless guys who have better PCS here.

 

[silverfoxes]

http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...s-history-but-us-skating-judges-stuck-in-past

Truth hurts.

 

[ice coverage]

... Nathan Chen made history tonight for American men in the SP with two quads. I consider that to be kind of a big deal. Since Chen didn't make the top 3, reporters at the press conference had to ask guys like Miner and Rippon what they thought about this achievement in American men's skating tonight, and I found that to be sad... especially since none of the guys at the press conference seemed aware of this.

The news of Nathan's two quads seemed to be a big deal to Max, Ross, and Adam as well.

At the presser, Max, Ross, and Adam all reacted with praise for Nathan and with excitement that his accomplishment is an important step forward for U.S. men's skating.

I believe that it is typical for competitors not to watch those who come before them in the skate order.
So I'm not surprised that Max, Ross, and Adam were not aware of the news before the presser. But that doesn't mean the news was not significant to them.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I think a lot of fans are feeling a bit of whiplash because after the GP series and seeing what the international panel is rewarding, it's odd to see PCS and GOE sort of scored more appropriately with favoring the quadless guys who have better PCS here.

So you're saying the US Gala is where it's at

 

[Interspectator]

http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...s-history-but-us-skating-judges-stuck-in-past

Truth hurts.

Nathan definitely has potential to be a medalist at Worlds--not this year, but eventually.
I think he could easily have been above Adam due to his difficult content and that Adam did not cleanly execute all his elements either.
However, he still has a lot to do to improve his skating and spins as well. The international judges aren't just handing out points to skaters who have quads. They actually reward skaters who have well rounded programs and good presentation as well. -Plus a quad (s).

 

[Hyena]

I don't mind the standings and I think the top 6 all deserve to be there (not just because it's everyone in my predictions ). That being said, I can definitely see the argument for putting Nathan higher. I agree that his overall performance quality could be better but I don't think he struggles as much in that department as others suggest. I almost wonder if it hurt him to skate so early in the night. Ross was early too, but Nathan was in the very first group.

 

[FlattFan]

Quad-less by third tier skater is getting 90+ now? What the! I remember the day Daisuke Takahashi earned 85-86 for his quad-less SP and thought, wow, that's impressive score for a quad-less SP.

Sorry, but under no universe would boring basic skater like Ross get anywhere near 90. The USFSA is playing fast and loose again and push for a spot in Boston for Ross. Backdoor dealing, it seems. Disgusting.

Adam Rippon is getting 88+ for a flawed combo. Holy cow. This is mad. This ain't Russian National. What a joke. If casual viewer saw this score, and then saw the score in Boston, they would be scratching their head. This sport is alienating everybody.

Max should be 93
Nathan 88
Ross 84
Adam 82

What a joke!

 

[FlattFan]

It's sad to hear about Jason and Joshua. To me, they were the 2 most talented men I have ever seen, INCREDIBLE potential. Both had great choregraphy, were interesting and arguably the best spins in the world in terms of men. Poor things.

You have seen 2 skaters ever?

 

[el henry]

Is my wanting the USA to be competitive with the rest of the world harming your enjoyment of American skating?

I just want to see competitiveness at skating competitions. Thought that's what they were for.

Nathan Chen made history tonight for American men in the SP with two quads. I consider that to be kind of a big deal. Since Chen didn't make the top 3, reporters at the press conference had to ask guys like Miner and Rippon what they thought about this achievement in American men's skating tonight, and I found that to be sad... especially since none of the guys at the press conference seemed aware of this.

No, of course it doesn't undermine my enjoyment of the skating, and we are all going to have different opinions and we all like to express them. That's why we're here.

I did not know about Nathan-the-first, so there I am, sad along with Max and Adam. Nathan's precision and command of the ice impress me. The fact that he's the first to do two quads, doesn't impress me. On that, we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[WeakAnkles]

I think a lot of fans are feeling a bit of whiplash because after the GP series and seeing what the international panel is rewarding, it's odd to see PCS and GOE sort of scored more appropriately with favoring the quadless guys who have better PCS here.

Bingo.

Though I prefer the pretty skating myself. Go figure.

 

[Jaana]

I think that Chen was underscored, Miner and Rippon pretty much overscored! With that content Miner should have gotten around 85 points and Rippon not more than 80 points.