Joshua Farris

[cheerknithanson]

...did we know it was concussions plural?

See I was sort of confused myself why it was plural.

 

[musicfan80]

I didn't know he had more concussions than the one that he suffered from the fall on the 4T. I wonder if he tried to return to training too soon and had another one.

Anyway, I'm glad that Joshua has given us an update, even if it is just something about his attitude or outlook. Here's to rooting for Joshua's continued recovery and that he will return to the ice - when he is ready. :yes:

 

[StitchMonkey]

I think there was a reference to him having one as a kid... but that seems a bit odd.

 

[karne]

...did we know it was concussions plural?

We did not...

I wonder if he had a secondary concussion when they didn't think the first one was so bad. Remember, the timeline that we know of is that he tried to come back onto the ice two weeks after the first event...maybe he slipped and fell again. Or maybe he bumped his head putting a dish away in the cupboard.

 

[ice coverage]

I think there was a reference to him having one as a kid... but that seems a bit odd.

Christy's remarks in September seemed to imply that the previous concussion from long ago did increase the concern over the recent one?? As if the effects were somehow cumulative in some way??

Excerpt from what she said back then:

"... We're being very aggressive on his treatment, and he's healing. He had a concussion when he was much younger, when he was about 7 or 8, and he couldn't withstand another injury."

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/09/26/151748724/no-timetable-for-farris-return-from-concussion​

Anyway, love hearing Josh express his determination.

Stupid question: Is "#PCS" an acronym for something else in this case?? Or is his hashtag referring to Program Component Scores?

 

[musicfan80]

Christy's remarks in September seemed to imply that the previous concussion from long ago did increase the concern over the recent one?? As if the effect were somehow cumulative in some way??

I bet concussions are one of those things that once you've had one, the effects from a future one can be even more detrimental if you don't take great care afterwards.

Stupid question: Is "#PCS" an acronym for something else in this case?? Or is his hashtag referring to Program Component Scores?

I bet Joshua is referring to "Post Concussion Syndrome" - according to the Mayo Clinic, it's not exactly cut and dry how is treated - basically, symptoms are managed - which can include things like depression and anxiety.

But I think Joshua must have been doing reasonably okay in normal activities - hasn't he been doing social things with Joe Johnson and helping Damon with coaching some lessons?

(Sidebar: This all makes you wonder WHAT ON EARTH is going on with NFL players - don't a lot of them get multiple concussions in their career? :shocked

 

[ice coverage]

... I bet Joshua is referring to "Post Concussion Syndrome" ...

Oh, I'm a dummy :hopelessness:. Thx for the answer.

 

[chameleon]

Speaking from experience, it is stupid easy to get another concussion shortly after a previous one. Even if you don't hit your head, a hard fall where you get jarred or spinning quickly can get you concussed all over again.

 

[el henry]

Oh, I'm a dummy :hopelessness:. Thx for the answer.

I thought program component scores too, so you are not alone. Oops!:

 

[karne]

I need to have a gush moment please!

We all know what Josh's "characterisation" is - the pale, fragile glass prince with so much talent. And yet, and yet, our pale fragile glass prince has a spine of steel, nay, of titanium! Think of all the things he's been through in his career! The first concussion, at 7 or 8. The overwork injury at 14. The toepick to the leg at 15. The torn hip/broken leg at 16. The numerous anaphylactic reactions. The sprained ankle at 18. The sprained ankle at 19. The concussions at 20. At any one of these points, he could have said, "I'm not doing this any more. This is too much. I can't come back from this injury." And we all would have agreed: fair enough, that's understandable.

But he didn't. Everytime, he fights, he fights and he pushes and he works and every single time he doesn't just come back, he comes back even better than he was before, even better than we could have imagined. Every time he comes back he weaves another spell and draws more and more of us into his net. Every time he comes back, he is stronger and tougher and more determined. He might be the pale fragile glass prince, but he is the strong and tough titanium prince as well, and this is why I believe - why I have always believed - that this is not the end, that he will always come back to us.

He's so tough, so strong. His body may be made of glass, but his mind has an iron will - the type of iron will I've only ever seen in one other - the iron will required to rise to greatness in this sport. And I know he will be back, you guys. I know he will be amazing, and I know that when he does we will sit here together and cry and cry, because he has had to fight possibly harder than any other on Team USA, and he will win.

/karneemotionaloverspill

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Oh, I'm a dummy :hopelessness:. Thx for the answer.

I thought program component scores too, so you are not alone. Oops!:

Third one here. I actually thought "What, already thinking about performing even better when you come back?" I kind of liked this interpretation though! Thank you musicfan80 for clearing that up!

So happy to have an update from Josh, even if it's just a smaller one. He really is a fighter, can't take that from him.

 

[musicfan80]

Third one here. I actually thought "What, already thinking about performing even better when you come back?" I kind of liked this interpretation though! Thank you musicfan80 for clearing that up!

So happy to have an update from Josh, even if it's just a smaller one. He really is a fighter, can't take that from him.

Well, I get the PCS confusion . When he comes back, assuming his jumps and spins come back - won't it be the PCS that will make Joshua competitive anyway? Not that I'm complaining - I can watch his skating skills and choreography all day long :luv17:. But he is competing against skaters who are doing 2 quads in the SP and 3-4 in the FS - and he isn't built like Hanyu or Jin.

But best case scenario - does anyone think he was ever going to do more than 1 quad in the SP and 2 in the FS? The best strategy for Josh would be to also improve his 3-3 combinations - doing 3Lz-3T instead of 3Lz-2T and moving the 3F-3T to the second half. Or doing a 3A-3T and making his 3 jump combination something else. There's got to be more points for him somewhere in there.

 

[karne]

But best case scenario - does anyone think he was ever going to do more than 1 quad in the SP and 2 in the FS? The best strategy for Josh would be to also improve his 3-3 combinations - doing 3Lz-3T instead of 3Lz-2T and moving the 3F-3T to the second half. Or doing a 3A-3T and making his 3 jump combination something else. There's got to be more points for him somewhere in there.

Zayak rule comes into play here. There's a reason Max doesn't plan a 3-3 in his LP and I'd say Josh's ultimate end plan for his FS doesn't have a 3-3 either. Because Max's opening combination is the 4S-3T, and presumably ultimate!Joshua opens with a 4T-3T, if they did a 3-3 also they might find themselves in the position of repeating too many triples. It's why Max's is a 3-1-3 rather than a straight 3-3 (unless he misses the 4-3 as we saw at 4CC).

Max's layout:
4S-3T
3A-2T
3Lo
4S
3A
3Lz-1Lo-3S
2A
2A

Because he repeats the 4S and 3A, he can't repeat the 3T or 3Lz...wait, I've missed something. I thought he could repeat two triples and a quad. I'll have to read the rule again. But at 4CC, because he biffed the opening combination, that freed up some Zayak possibilities later in the program, allowing him to throw in the 3Lz-3T that we saw instead of a 2A.

I think Ultimate!Josh would probably look something like this:

3A
4T-3T
4T
3A-2T-2Lo
3Lz-2T
3Lo
3F
3S

Which is more or less what we saw in his Schindler's List (except the quad combo obviously). You can see here he repeats the 4T and the 3A. The difference in their layouts is that Josh's flip, while sometimes prone to !, is much less likely to get "e" than Max's, which is presumably why Max's is left out. The lack of flip boxes Max into a corner considerably more, but also the 3S on the back end of his three jump combo, taking it out of his solo jump arsenal. How this gets fixed is another matter.

So even though Josh has an absolutely beautiful 3A-3T, if he builds himself up to ultimate!Josh, we won't see it. It's possible that we may see it early in the comeback, though.

Aaaaaaaand that was a totally nonsensical ramble, sorry.

 

[cheerknithanson]

I need to have a gush moment please!

We all know what Josh's "characterisation" is - the pale, fragile glass prince with so much talent. And yet, and yet, our pale fragile glass prince has a spine of steel, nay, of titanium! Think of all the things he's been through in his career! The first concussion, at 7 or 8. The overwork injury at 14. The toepick to the leg at 15. The torn hip/broken leg at 16. The numerous anaphylactic reactions. The sprained ankle at 18. The sprained ankle at 19. The concussions at 20. At any one of these points, he could have said, "I'm not doing this any more. This is too much. I can't come back from this injury." And we all would have agreed: fair enough, that's understandable.

But he didn't. Everytime, he fights, he fights and he pushes and he works and every single time he doesn't just come back, he comes back even better than he was before, even better than we could have imagined. Every time he comes back he weaves another spell and draws more and more of us into his net. Every time he comes back, he is stronger and tougher and more determined. He might be the pale fragile glass prince, but he is the strong and tough titanium prince as well, and this is why I believe - why I have always believed - that this is not the end, that he will always come back to us.

He's so tough, so strong. His body may be made of glass, but his mind has an iron will - the type of iron will I've only ever seen in one other - the iron will required to rise to greatness in this sport. And I know he will be back, you guys. I know he will be amazing, and I know that when he does we will sit here together and cry and cry, because he has had to fight possibly harder than any other on Team USA, and he will win.

/karneemotionaloverspill

Pardon me, but that could be a cool plot to a fairy tale or something along that matter. Like "The Fragile Prince."

 

[musicfan80]

Entire ultimate!Josh explanation

Thanks karne! I think that Josh would be extra careful to not have invalid jumps again, especially when it cost him at last year's Nationals. I don't know how likely it would be that Josh would ever have a 4T-3T combination, maybe an intentional 4T-1T. They have to be careful what combos get the 2T. But then again, we have no idea what he was able to do beforehand. But I guess the first step would be being able to do a SP with a 4T, 3A, and either a 3Lz-3T or 3F-3T.

But most important things first - that he has a complete and strong recovery! :yes:

 

[karne]

I have been hesitating over whether to mention this, because he is so secretive. But it is not much more than an extension of what we already knew, so I do not know if it could do any harm.

I have seen him.

He has slightly longer hair, and a scruff. He was teaching LTS. Before the little kids got on the ice, he and Lukas were playing, doing some turns. I am not 100% sure what they were, could have been counters or rockers. Nothing strenuous. He didn't look hesitant or anything to me, but I do not know him that well. There was nothing that could have told me whether he is or is not back yet.

 

[StitchMonkey]

thanks for the heads up.

Even if it is nothing new, it is nice to get more confirmation form a reliable source.

BTW how long are you down there.... snow is forecast for Friday, which means it could show up any time between Wednesday and Monday or not at all. If you get snowed on, I think you promised us a snow angel photo.

 

[karne]

thanks for the heads up.

Even if it is nothing new, it is nice to get more confirmation form a reliable source.

BTW how long are you down there.... snow is forecast for Friday, which means it could show up any time between Wednesday and Monday or not at all. If you get snowed on, I think you promised us a snow angel photo.

Friday is actually my last full day here! I don't recall promising snow angel pics, but it might happen!

 

[musicfan80]

This is great news to hear. At least he is on the ice - although we have no idea what he's doing and his recovery will take some time. But luckily, it is March. Wishful thinking, but maybe his last tweet was a clue about him returning to the ice and training, even if it is limited right now.

I think if he and Lukas were there to teach a LTS class, they wouldn't be there doing anything too complicated anyway. They were there to primarily do a job.

The longer hair look doesn't surprise me - you can tell that he has longer hair in some of the pics we've seen earlier on Instagram. Just curious - was the scruff a full mustache/beard or was it more "letting the stubble out a little?" Many men get a better shave and it lasts a bit longer if they shave less often.

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karne, I hope you enjoy your visit here in the U.S. and see as much of our beautiful country that you can. :yes:

 

[karne]

The longer hair look doesn't surprise me - you can tell that he has longer hair in some of the pics we've seen earlier on Instagram. Just curious - was the scruff a full mustache/beard or was it more "letting the stubble out a little?" Many men get a better shave and it lasts a bit longer if they shave less often.

It was more the latter, I think.

Oh, and just quietly, Lukas in real life, even from a bit of a distance, is really, really cute. :