Discussion on Versatility

[4everchan]

It's not because Eppen did not agree that Javier is a one trick pony. It is because Eppen claimed that Yuzuru's PW could be set to Rachamaninoff and it would have made no difference, which is frankly insulting to Yuzuru and Jeff Buttle.

3 things :
1) if jeff and yuzu feel insulted, let them answer to the OP.... it's not your responsibility to speak on their behalf
2) the opening post clearly mentions that it's a personal preference. We don't all need to like the same things ....
3) finally, you felt it was insulting??? then, why belittling and insulting that person back??? Two wrongs don't make one good.

 

[MaxSwagg]

3 things :
1) if jeff and yuzu feel insulted, let them answer to the OP.... it's not your responsibility to speak on their behalf
2) the opening post clearly mentions that it's a personal preference. We don't all need to like the same things ....
3) finally, you felt it was insulting??? then, why belittling and insulting that person back??? Two wrongs don't make one good.

People can have their preferences...but that doesn't mean they're true. This thread doesn't make sense and if something doesn't make sense that means it's not true. Any reasonable person with even a BASIC knowledge of music and/or dance can understand that he examples provided give zero support to the point they're trying to raise.

 

[4everchan]

People can have their preferences...but that doesn't mean they're true. This thread doesn't make sense and if something doesn't make sense that means it's not true.

max... that makes no sense... you can do better than that... i think Daisuke would be pretty upset if he saw his face next to these words

a preference is a preference and it's true for that person. whether or not you agree, whether or not 99% of people agree has no impact on that preference.


I disagree with the OP.... I don't think Javi is versatile. At the same time, no need to bully this person out of their own thread.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

The thread title and content does not compute...self destruct in 5 seconds

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[emmiele]

If you look at my profile, I rarely ever post. I wasn't the one insulting anyone. I was clarifying why others objected to the claim that Yuzuru's PW was interchangeable with any music. Regardless of your personal preference for a style or not, it is insulting to the skater and choreographer when you belittle the hard work that they put in the program.

 

[OS]

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yup

 

[4everchan]

If you look at my profile, I rarely ever post. I wasn't the one insulting anyone. I was clarifying why others objected to the claim that Yuzuru's PW was interchangeable with any music. Regardless of your personal preference for a style or not, it is insulting to the skater and choreographer when you belittle the hard work that they put in the program.

why post now then? let the culprits own their out of place bullying... I don't think Yuzu or Patrick would be insulted to read this... honestly, they have other things to deal with.

Some fans are like mama bears.

 

[Lambari]

I think the fact that this was actually a previous discusion at other thread and made into one thread turned it ratter odd. Did Eppen agree for his/her post being made as an OP? I hope it was with this poster's approval. Anyway, just a detail because I don't know how moderation works on the forum.
There's much more sarcasm than actually flatt out "being mean" This, one can find much more on that Satoko thread. Although I don't agree with some of the points from both sides here, and I'm guilty on joking about Rach!Yuzuru.

The factual but politically incorrect title of this thread based on the content could be "Which skater do you think that DOESN'T own versatility." jk

 

[emmiele]

Same can apply to you as well. Obviously if we feel the need to express something then we make a post. That's what discussion boards are for.

 

[4everchan]

Same can apply to you as well. Obviously if we feel the need to express something then we make a post. That's what discussion boards are for.

sure but i post all the time so i was referring to the fact that you chose to post here... when you usually don't... in support and clarification for some dubious behaviour.



i clearly explained why i posted already so hasta la vista

 

[4everchan]

I think the fact that this was actually a previous discusion at other thread and made into one thread turned it ratter odd. Did Eppen agree for his/her post being made as an OP? I hope it was with this poster's approval. Anyway, just a detail because I don't know how moderation works on the forum.
There's much more sarcasm than actually flatt out "being mean" This, one can find much more on that Satoko thread. Although I don't agree with some of the points from both sides here, and I'm guilty on joking about Rach!Yuzuru.

The factual but politically incorrect title of this thread based on the content could be "Which skater do you think that DOESN'T own versatility." jk

I see... so this was part of a thread, and since it was so off topic, it became its own thread... i see... thanks for explaining the context. I didn't see the other thread and you are correct, the OP was probably not meant as an OP... in that context, it's still not a nice behaviour but it is less in the realm of bullying I guess...

 

[Violet Bliss]

People can have personal preferences though versatility needs not be a compelling reason or even necessary. What I object to the OP's presentation is that some are represented with only their competition programs while others' exhibition programs are used to demonstrate their versatility.

 

[emmiele]

I wasn't supporting specific behavior since my initial post was to clarify another poster's misinterpretation of the situation along with interjecting some personal view as well. Anyway, I guess I didn't see that there was dubious behavior going on by the other posts besides some sarcasm.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

The thing about versatility is it isn't something that factors much into the scoring in theory. In fact the premise of it essentially encourages a sort of "reputation" scoring. I mean...should the judges take into consideration previous performances when awarding a current performance? Of course not. The judges from the SP to the FS often change so it's not very fair for the judges to consider "sameness" of a SP and FS of the same event.

Look, we all want variety but I don't think it should be necessary for the sake of scoring and I think we've all seen when skaters do programs that don't suit their style simply to show some versatility and that's not great either. So I've concluded that the "versatility" discussion is one that only exists in the minds of fans and preferably not as a weapon to disparage another skater. Especially one who is performing very well over a good period of time.

I find some skaters to be versatile that others don't but I also love some skaters who's artistic qualities fly right over the heads of some fans. Their loss if you ask me. Just my take

 

[4everchan]

i agree why belittle P/C because their style is similar year after year (mind you, we have 2 years to pick from... ).. they are so good and actually in ice dance, versatility is important for the SD... so they have to show it anyways... I'd prefer P/C keep their FD style than trying something that doesn't suit them...

The thing about versatility is it isn't something that factors much into the scoring in theory. In fact the premise of it essentially encourages a sort of "reputation" scoring. I mean...should the judges take into consideration previous performances when awarding a current performance? Of course not. The judges from the SP to the FS often change so it's not very fair for the judges to consider "sameness" of a SP and FS of the same event.

I mean....we all want variety but I don't think it's necessary and I think we've all seen when skaters do programs that don't suit their style to show versatility and that's not great either. So I've concluded that the "versatility" discussion is one that only should only exist in the minds of fans and preferably not as a weapon to disparage another skater. Especially one who is performing very well over a good period of time.

I find some skaters to be versatile that others don't but I also love some skaters who's artistic qualities fly right over the heads of some fans. Their loss if you ask me. Just my take

 

[MaxSwagg]

It's about risk. Some take risk, and others don't Using an example in pairs too...eh, well, we won't go into that. Doing drastically different styles has a certain risk to it. Should be reflected in composition (or whatever they're calling that component), performance, and interpretation marks...

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

It's about risk. Some take risk, and others don't Using an example in pairs too...eh, well, we won't go into that. Doing drastically different styles has a certain risk to it. Should be reflected in composition (or whatever they're calling that component), performance, and interpretation marks...

It's tricky to suggest it though....the judges aren't the same in event to event so you seem to be suggesting the judges factor in performances they likely didn't see in person against one they are seeing in person.

 

[4everchan]

Should be reflected in composition (or whatever they're calling that component), performance, and interpretation marks...

i don't think so....

a skater who has been around for several years has had a chance to display a lot of versatility whether it is in competition or exhibitions. But what about a younger skater?

You are promoting reputation judging if you assign it to PCS.

 

[4everchan]

and that too

It's tricky to suggest it though....the judges aren't the same in event to event so you seem to be suggesting the judges factor in performances they likely didn't see in person against one they are seeing in person.

 

[MaxSwagg]

It's tricky to suggest it though....the judges aren't the same in event to event so you seem to be suggesting the judges factor in performances they likely didn't see in person against one they are seeing in person.

It's choreography, music, movement... You don't have to see it in person to see that it is similar or almost exactly the same.