Yuzuru Hanyu Lands 4LO

[Bonesfan]

Not official - Yuzuru receiving certificate in addition to congratulations from referree Jean Senft.

followed by a short interview -
KUYASHII for missing the 4S-3T. He needs to practice more
(Kuyashii means regrettable, frustrating)

 

[Krislite]

https://youtu.be/ZinzueddAQ0?t=1m18s :cool14:

It doesn't have to be presented by Queen Elizabeth, but that would count too.

 

[Meoima]

Yuzuru's FS at Autumn Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXavoyGHL8

He still lacks stamina. By the second half he was like "I need my inhaler asap!"

But at least he landed the 4Lo again and it's clean and clear. And it's still early season. Orser did hint in the interview that Yuzuru isn't there yet.

I expect Yuzuru to have a rough GP season. Hopefully he will gain back his momentum in the second half of the season.

 

[Danibellerika]

Yuzuru's FS at Autumn Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXavoyGHL8

He still lacks stamina. By the second half he was like "I need my inhaler asap!"

But at least he landed the 4Lo again and it's clean and clear. And it's still early season. Orser did hint in the interview that Yuzuru isn't there yet.

I expect Yuzuru to have a rough GP season. Hopefully he will gain back his momentum in the second half of the season.

If we had to choose, I'd rather he get momentum later towards worlds than now. It's difficult to sit out for as long as he did then come back with your most difficult programs yet and with your most ambitious layout at that. I am feeling food that the loop is serving him well.

I heard a Russian was going to attempt the loop this weekend in Japan? Who was it and did he do it?

 

[Krislite]

Yuzuru's FS at Autumn Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXavoyGHL8

He still lacks stamina. By the second half he was like "I need my inhaler asap!"

But at least he landed the 4Lo again and it's clean and clear. And it's still early season. Orser did hint in the interview that Yuzuru isn't there yet.

I expect Yuzuru to have a rough GP season. Hopefully he will gain back his momentum in the second half of the season.

Incredible. He's got four quads planned, it looks like, with two of them in the second half. Here's hoping his stamina can handle such an ambitious program.

 

[CoyoteChris]

Twitter is an official channel these days. Back in the day it would have been a press release, but twitter is frequently used as a channel of information by the press and by other organizations.
:dev3:

I wouldnt argue that Twitter, et al, are channels of information by the press and by other organizations, but an official channel? I would think the ISU is made up of old fuddy duddys like my friends and I, who don't use Twitter, and indeed some who barely use computers. Twitter is no longer just Justin Beiber misc. brain droppings, but I would think we will hear major news through press releases and official websites. Or maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy.:agree2:

 

[yuzushenko]

So it might be the first 4LO to be landed over Krasnozhon's.

why wasn't his ratified? on the protocol what does it show up as? i thought he did 4 revolutions, he just stepped out... people who step out of a 33 combo still get credit for 3 revs just lower GOE dont they?

 

[HanDomi]

why wasn't his ratified? on the protocol what does it show up as? i thought he did 4 revolutions, he just stepped out... people who step out of a 33 combo still get credit for 3 revs just lower GOE dont they?

stepout with hand down is not clean landing, clean jump is when you land on one foot with free leg out

 

[yuzushenko]

Yuzuru's FS at Autumn Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXavoyGHL8

He still lacks stamina. By the second half he was like "I need my inhaler asap!"

But at least he landed the 4Lo again and it's clean and clear. And it's still early season. Orser did hint in the interview that Yuzuru isn't there yet.

I expect Yuzuru to have a rough GP season. Hopefully he will gain back his momentum in the second half of the season.

i recall him or brian mentioning that they were training to peak in february as to prepare for the olympics

maybe that's also part of the reason he was out of shape? (not shape as in body figure...just in terms of stamina and endurance)

 

[yuzushenko]

stepout with hand down is not clean landing, clean jump is when you land on one foot with free leg out

i know, but even if it's not clean, it still should have counted as a 4Lo no? a lot of people mess jumps up and still get it called what it is.

im just a bit confused why yuzu's is the "first quad loop ratified by the ISU" when another skater already did it (although not completely clean)

 

[HanDomi]

i know, but even if it's not clean, it still should have counted as a 4Lo no? a lot of people mess jumps up and still get it called what it is.

im just a bit confused why yuzu's is the "first quad loop ratified by the ISU" when another skater already did it (although not completely clean)

Krasnozhon got credit from tech caller for rotation but ISU haven't officialy ratified this as LANDED CLEANLY. ISU ratified Hanyu's loop because he did LANDED it : )


and that was good decision, not even talking about landing Krasnozhon loop was under rotated like crazy and I don't know what was tech caller looking at calling it 4lo

 

[Krislite]

I wouldnt argue that Twitter, et al, are channels of information by the press and by other organizations, but an official channel? I would think the ISU is made up of old fuddy duddys like my friends and I, who don't use Twitter, and indeed some who barely use computers. Twitter is no longer just Justin Beiber misc. brain droppings, but I would think we will hear major news through press releases and official websites. Or maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy.:agree2:

These days what matters more is who is speaking through twitter. An official representative using twitter to release information to the public is just as official an in-person interview/statement.

Using the ISU-owned and ISU-authorized twitter account is about as official as it gets. It's an ISU-authorized account--bearing the name and logo of the ISU--allowed to speak on behalf of the ISU. That's pretty 'official' to me.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

There should definitely be a published criteria for this from the ISU.
like:
1. Rotated
2. Landed on one foot
3. 0 or higher GOE

Disagree with #3. A quad could be cleanly landed in the SP, for example, and still receive -3 GOE for not having preceding steps. See Brandon Mroz's 4Z at 2011 NHK.

 

[Interspectator]

Disagree with #3. A quad could be cleanly landed in the SP, for example, and still receive -3 GOE for not having preceding steps. See Brandon Mroz's 4Z at 2011 NHK.

I meant there needs to be a criteria, but they'd have to hash out the details themselves. The important thing is that it is published and clear for all to read.

 

[Alchamei]

Late to the party, but holy crap. We finally have a 4Lo. Clean one and from Yuzuru. Congratulations.

 

[HanDomi]

It's official now
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pa...performs-first-clean-quad-loop-in-competition

 

[Danibellerika]

Well that didn't take long at all!

 

[HanDomi]

I wonder what makes it that it was the quad loop it was in some way the hardest on check list of quads ? We had lutz and flip before despite they are harder at least on paper ?

 

[Danibellerika]

Maybe others wanted to just aim for the hardest jump of all since the loop is mid-level in terms of difficulty (though it's my favorite jump to watch hands down). If you're going to put in the effort, why not for the hardest ones? Though points wise the flip isn't much more than the loop. There's a bigger gap between the value of a lutz and flip (13.6 v. 12.3) than the flip and loop (12.3 v. 12.0). Most of the field is still struggling with having consistent toes and sals at all. And funny enough Shoma can do the flip, but he can't do the sal as well. He also seems to be coming along with the loop as well. I could see him putting the flip, loop, and toe in his set.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I wonder what makes it that it was the quad loop it was in some way the hardest on check list of quads ? We had lutz and flip before despite they are harder at least on paper ?

The loop is actually a very difficult jump to get height/spring because it's unassisted by a vaulting pick (as we see with any of the toe jumps) or a swinging free leg (salchow, axel). It's also very timing-dependent and skaters occasionally "bail" when they don't spring off the edge at the right time.

It's nice that all the quads have now been landed (save for the axel)!