Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[YuzusHydroblade]

On a lighter note...
These photos ♥
I love the second and third one, he looks like he is having so much fun♥

 

[Meoima]

Yes, if he does one 4Lo and one 3Lo, he risks Zayak since he already had 2 other repeated jumps.

But if he does two 4Lo and one 3Lo, then there is no risk.

This is the case with his two 4S and one 3S, there is no risk of Zayak there. (unless he pops both quad sal)

The danger is the "pop" if you know what I mean.

 

[xibsuarz]

Good morning everyone there is another practice today, do you think he is gonna show up? If not then... Just 9 hours until the SP

I think he will, given that the reason he skipped the morning practice yesterday was to train back in Toronto :yes: Technically he didn't skip it, he just practiced someplace else and he hasn't done a SP run through yet.

 

[melmel]

You know what? After reading the Brians' words and all your comments I've been reflecting on everything and feeling like UBER SAD.
I think maybe I see things a bit different. Yuzu said that Brian is a Mommy kind of coach, so he is a caring one. Did a thought of a mom who is protective of you ever cross your mind when reading Brian's words? Yuzu and Javi are both his "sons" he cares most in the world about right now. And he is torn in between two of them- so different, so talented, so hardworking (both of them at this stage of their careers). He wants them both to succed, both to make their dreams come to life and not have any single regret about any decisions that they have taken.
Brian have said this numerous times: as a coach he tries to teach his athletes to pace themselves, he respects their routines and small rituals, he steps back when they are getting ready to go out on ice, he lets them work out their focusing and timing, learn to do that in the right way. It's all about respect. He pays a huge respect to his students and treats them as adults.
He cares about them at the same time. A lot.
He knows their fortes and weaknesses. He witnesses those every day.
His words about Yuzu sound as protective to me. He might also be a bit scared of this young athlete spirit who is unstoppable. An athlete who won the Olympics that young and still is having a hunger of a newcomer who wants to grab all the gold in the world. Maybe he had never had that feeling about himself in his life. Maybe he is a bit worried.
Trust me if Yuzu wins his second Olympics Brian would be the happiest man on planet Earth because he had said it numerous times that Yuzu reminds him of himself, same young and daring athlete. They have many things in common. Yuzu gaining the second Oly gold would make Brian's old dreams come alive- because even he himself could never achieve that- his athlete, the boy who came to him being weak yet daring, with his help became a star of the decades and achieved a goal that is a tough one to get to.
He cares about Javi. He tought him to work hard and be consistent. He had to be hungry for him for quite a while. Now Javi knows what is it to let himself feel the hunger. I think Brian knows he can do a bit more (4Lo) and he wants Javi not to take that jump of the pocket too late to succed whatever Javi wants to succeed.
So I don't see all the negative things your guys see and read into those interviews. At all. Brian is in a very diffucult poistion right now and will be till the day his main stars compete. He is torn in between them. I feel for him, seriously. And I hate to read negative words and comments about him. Of course you guys have your point of view and you are entitled to have one, very different from mine. I just... I feel how this negativism is poisoning the air. We need to feel positive vibes and send those towards Yuzu and everyone in his team who works hard so that he achieves his goals and makes his dreams come alive. Yuzu have chosen to stay with Brian, he trusts him. Maybe he wants to prove Brian that he had chosen the right strategy with his own efforts and achievements. He wants to prove his point. There is nothing wrong with that. He is learning in the process too.
I think we all know why Yuzu is taking the risk. I wish him lots of luck. I wish Brian a lot of patience. I have a lot of respect to them both and wish them both to succeed.

:luv17::agree2::clapper:

My thoughts exactly. Thank you for taking the words right out of my brain !

 

[Camillo]

Thank you T_T I didn't have a lot of time lately to come here but everytime I took a peek, it was all "Brian hates Yuzu! Yuzu should leave the TCC or he's gonna die!" X_x it's reassuring to know it's not always like that. I'm going to try to ignore them and focus on the good parts.

I don't think a lot of us wants Yuzu to leave TCC and Orser (he has no choice anyway, right?)

But after reading whole bunch of Brian's interviews (in English and Japanese) last season I wish he would support Yuzu at least half as much as he supports Javi. Really, even when he talks to japanese press about Yuzu, in the end it's always "Javi this, Javi that, he's great, and Yuzu.... :sarcasm: well, he's very stubborn, very wild, I don't really understand this boy, he should be less emotional and do not take everything to his heart - like my dear Javi", etc.

I just wish Orser would stop negatively comparing Hanyu to Javier. I could take the rest way more easily but I guess I'm out of luck.

This.

 

[da96103]

Okay Hard question for the Hard Core:

Does the ability to jump the quadruple loop helps to get full rotation on the 3Lo as the second jump in a combo.

Because this means the BV of the LP can further be increase in a program that has no double jumps at all.

Example:

4Lo
4S
4T
4S+3T
3A+3Lo
3A+1Lo+3S
3Lz
3F

 

[sweetwater]

Look at this Yuzu doll: https://twitter.com/a_tubbie/status/792007705233805312 What is that mask all about, could somebody explain please?

It’s the mask of Hyottoko, a Japanese traditional mask of droll. Some say the name “Hyottoko” originally was Hi-otoko (Fire-man) and connect him with Kamado-gami (god who guards everyone’s kitchen.) It’s a popular mask to go with traditional festivals. But I have no idea what the original poster is trying to say by this photo. Trying to express Let’s-go-crazy spirit in Japanese style, maybe?:think: I don’t know…

 

[Sorrento]

On a lighter note...
These photos ♥
I love the second and third one, he looks like he is having so much fun♥

I love that he needs to have his hair longer for his SP this season. He is so cute!:luv17:

 

[Sorrento]

It’s the mask of Hyottoko, a Japanese traditional mask of droll. Some say the name “Hyottoko” originally was Hi-otoko (Fire-man) and connect him with Kamado-gami (god who guards everyone’s kitchen.) It’s a popular mask to go with traditional festivals. But I have no idea what the original poster is trying to say by this photo. Trying to express Let’s-go-crazy spirit in Japanese style, maybe?:think: I don’t know…

Umm, I've been thinking of Halloween because SC ends right before that. Sort of- idea for a party costume?:think:

 

[Yatagarasu]

Of course you guys have your point of view and you are entitled to have one, very different from mine. I just... I feel how this negativism is poisoning the air.

Yes, we do have a different point of view and we are entitled to both those views. As this is not Brian Orser's fan fest, it's an exchange of opposite opinions and that's that. I don't particularly like reading odes to Orser either, or Javier come to think of it, so I just skip those. I think a few posts will not harm anyone, as long as no-one goes into slander territory. But Orser gives interviews about Yuzuru that are in public and different folks, different strokes when it comes to how we perceive them. Either nobody talks about Orser or both sides get a say. It passes quickly anyway.

 

[Sorrento]

But after reading whole bunch of Brian's interviews (in English and Japanese) last season I wish he would support Yuzu at least half as much as he supports Javi. Really, even when he talks to japanese press about Yuzu, in the end it's always "Javi this, Javi that, he's great, and Yuzu.... :sarcasm: well, he's very stubborn, very wild, I don't really understand this boy, he should be less emotional and do not take everything to his heart - like my dear Javi", etc.

Brian never said those words. You can't quote these, can you? Then please stop your negative approach. You don't like Brian, fine. Yuzu DOES. Accept that.

 

[Meoima]

Okay Hard question for the Hard Core:

Does the ability to jump the quadruple loop helps to get full rotation on the 3Lo as the second jump in a combo.

Because this means the BV of the LP can further be increase in a program that has no double jumps at all.

Example:

4Lo
4S
4T
4S+3T
3A+3Lo
3A+1Lo+3S
3Lz
3F

I think 3lo combo is dangerous and is prone to UR. I think he will try 4lz and if possible he will bring it to competition like this:
4lz
4Lo
3F
4S3T
4T
3A3T
3A1lo3S
3lz

 

[mcq]

Okay Hard question for the Hard Core:

Does the ability to jump the quadruple loop helps to get full rotation on the 3Lo as the second jump in a combo.

Because this means the BV of the LP can further be increase in a program that has no double jumps at all.

Example:

4Lo
4S
4T
4S+3T
3A+3Lo
3A+1Lo+3S
3Lz
3F

I think I mentioned this before wayyyy back when we were still speculating about his layout and i think we come in agreement that doing 4Lo and jump+3Lo combo will be really hard on the hips so perhaps not.

 

[Camillo]

But of course nobody lands every single jump in either of programs at every runthrough this early into the season. Why blame Brian for stating the facts?

Brian talks not about every jumps, but only about quads That's the problem, you see.
Supportive coach would have said "Does he do them successfully? Yes, he does, but not always, because it's such a tall order," (c) It sounds with hope and it's also "stating the facts".

He could've mentioned Yuzu's 4L like he mentioned Javi's 4Lo and say how he's proud of Yuzu and how we can wait greater things from him in the future (good coach should support his pupils, right?)

Also I find quite insincere this phrase: "Two years in a row, we've been great in December (at the Grand Prix Final), and for some reason he's peaked then and not for worlds".
Oh really, "for some reason" Yuzu's didn't peak for WC twice in a row. And Orser absolutely doesn't know why. Uh-huh.

 

[hamaguri]

On a lighter note...
These photos ♥
I love the second and third one, he looks like he is having so much fun♥

I love this Account! She always collect lovely photos of yuzu.

 

[sweetwater]

Umm, I've been thinking of Halloween because SC ends right before that. Sort of- idea for a party costume?:think:

Oh, Halloween! I have completely forgotten it. Yeah, that must be it.

 

[Sorrento]

Either nobody talks about Orser or both sides get a say.

I sometimes get the feeling that you guys want Brian to not say a word or say a few generalizations rather than feed some information. And when those don't brush you in the right way you start to get angry with him. For what? He has to deal with a very stubborn spirit of Yuzu. It's not a piece of cake, you know. That's my point.

 

[da96103]

I think 3lo combo is dangerous and is prone to UR. I think he will try 4lz and if possible he will bring it to competition like this:
4lz
4Lo
3F
4S3T
4T
3A3T
3A1lo3S
3lz

Gives me an interesting idea:

Evan Lysacek wins the 2010 Olympic Gold medal with a LP that has no quads.

Yuzuru Hanyu can possibly win the 2018 Olympic Gold medal with a LP that has no double jumps.

Can a certain Asian American skater get his last non-axel quad and win the 2022 Olympic Gold medal with a LP that has no triple jumps.

4Lz + 2T
4Lz
4F + 2Lo
4F
4Lo
4S
4T
2A + 2T + 2Lo

Mindblown. Though BV is not maximized but the absence of triple jumps gives him some rest, and Miss Zayak can also take a rest.

 

[Sorrento]

Brian talks not about every jumps, but only about quads That's the problem, you see.
Supportive coach would have said "Does he do them successfully? Yes, he does, but not always, because it's such a tall order," (c) It sounds with hope and it's also "stating the facts".

He could've mentioned Yuzu's 4L like he mentioned Javi's 4Lo and say how he's proud of Yuzu and how we can wait greater things from him in the future (good coach should support his pupils, right?)

Also I find quite insincere this phrase: "Two years in a row, we've been great in December (at the Grand Prix Final), and for some reason he's peaked then and not for worlds".
Oh really, "for some reason" Yuzu's didn't peak for WC twice in a row. And Orser absolutely doesn't know why. Uh-huh.

How do you know if Orser did not say those words and Lynn just decided to skip those when writing the article? Huh?
Does he have to repeat the story of pre Worlds when we all know what happenned?
The problem is perception.

 

[Camillo]

Brian never said those words. You can't quote these, can you? Then please stop your negative approach. You don't like Brian, fine. Yuzu DOES. Accept that.

Sorry, I can't give quotes - didn't keep it for such purposes, but Brian did say things like that, he did emphasise that Javi is very easygoing while Yuzu is too emotional. (Yuzu himself stated he is "weak" and easily falls under influence of the external environment).

Yuzu respects Brian, that's true. I deeply hope Brian would support him till the end and it would reflects in his interviews, performed in more professional manner.