Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[carotide]

Plushenko only saw Yuzu training his quads during a couple of shows and you expect him to be in the know of Yuzu real trainings and new quads success rate? He's not his coach. Is it the anime influence?

Of course not. But then again if you were able to tell the difference in Yuzu's 3Lz now vs two years ago you wouldn't be questioning Plushenko's words. #justsaying

 

[Yatagarasu]

We know he's working on his 4Lz. It is not just the information we have but it is visible by his 3Lz by now.

If there is one person who is capable of judging quads, in my book that is Plushenko, considering what he did for the development of quads, never mind his achievements.

When we take into account what is happening with the quad race and the above, plus that he is developing a 4 quad program now, it is not even remotely difficult to imagine he might go for it next season. We have spoken about that here before after all

 

[Sorrento]

Of course not. But then again if you were able to tell the difference in Yuzu's 3Lz now vs two years ago you wouldn't be questioning Plushenko's words. #justsaying

I always try to be real with Yuzu. And reality is that this season there will be no extra quads. None. He has to own 4Lo first. Then make his skates reach that outer space level in GOE. Because frankly neither Chen nor Jin are going to wait to get there with simple TES executed with no flaws. And that would frankly be enough to beat flawed Gods performances. Even with Gods level of PCS. (Gods= Yuzu, Javi, Patrick)
I do not take Plushenko's words too seriously not because I have any kind of issue with him. I just know that his words are a way to keep in touch with public and do not necessarily state a real life fact. Yuzu works on his new quads- yeah, I know that. Are those consistent? No. He'd incorporate those in his programs already. Why Chen and Jin do that? Simply to try and win with TES. Which is very possible if completed with no major flaws. Risk is rewarded at times.
I don't mind people having fun joking about these things. But others take those jokes for real facts and then come and cry and complain about flawed performances. We need to see the difference between facts and wishful thinking. It is not directed against anybody in this forum and I do not try to create any conflict with this.

 

[Meoima]

I always try to be real with Yuzu. And reality is that this season there will be no extra quads. None. He has to own 4Lo first. Then make his skates reach that outer space level in GOE. Because frankly neither Chen nor Jin are going to wait to get there with simple TES executed with no flaws. And that would frankly be enough to beat flawed Gods performances. Even with Gods level of PCS. (Gods= Yuzu, Javi, Patrick)
I do not take Plushenko's words too seriously not because I have any kind of issue with him. I just know that his words are a way to keep in touch with public and do not necessarily state a real life fact. Yuzu works on his new quads- yeah, I know that. Are those consistent? No. He'd incorporate those in his programs already. Why Chen and Jin do that? Simply to try and win with TES. Which is very possible if completed with no major flaws. Risk is rewarded at times.
I don't mind people having fun joking about these things. But others take those jokes for real facts and then come and cry and complain about flawed performances. We need to see the difference between facts and wishful thinking. It is not directed against anybody in this forum and I do not try to create any conflict with this.

I have no doubt Yuzuru will do 4lz in competition. It's just the matter of when. Will he bring it to Olympic or he will bring it to WC after Olympic before retirement.

 

[carotide]

I always try to be real with Yuzu. And reality is that this season there will be no extra quads. None. He has to own 4Lo first. Then make his skates reach that outer space level in GOE. Because frankly neither Chen nor Jin are going to wait to get there with simple TES executed with no flaws. And that would frankly be enough to beat flawed Gods performances. Even with Gods level of PCS. (Gods= Yuzu, Javi, Patrick)
I do not take Plushenko's words too seriously not because I have any kind of issue with him. I just know that his words are a way to keep in touch with public and do not necessarily state a real life fact. Yuzu works on his new quads- yeah, I know that. Are those consistent? No. He'd incorporate those in his programs already. Why Chen and Jin do that? Simply to try and win with TES. Which is very possible if completed with no major flaws. Risk is rewarded at times.
I don't mind people having fun joking about these things. But others take those jokes for real facts and then come and cry and complain about flawed performances. We need to see the difference between facts and wishful thinking. It is not directed against anybody in this forum and I do not try to create any conflict with this.

I'm sorry but no one here ever spoke of consistency, plus "consistency" isn't the only requirement Yuzu considers when he puts a new jump in his layout otherwise he'd have gone for 4Lo last season already.
And I don't quite get the part on jokes, because it's not a joke it's a fact so I'll try to explain again.
Yuzuru's 3Lz has given him seldom unreasonable trouble for 2 seasons now and it was an elementary jump for him. If you analyze the jump when he fails it you see clearly he takes off with very little power and almost doesn't complete the three rotations. There's no way you can lose rythm to the jump unless you consistently train 4 rotations instead of 3. That was Lys's initial point.
If you add the words of skaters who've seen him training for weeks (Plushenko in ice shows, Lutricia Bock in Cricket Club this summer) to the fact I explained above you get the full picture.

 

[Sorrento]

I have no doubt Yuzuru will do 4lz in competition. It's just the matter of when. Will he bring it to Olympic or he will bring it to WC after Olympic before retirement.

I wish he could stay after Olympics, I just don't see how now. Well, time will tell. I somehow expect him to have another quad prior to Olympics if things go extremely well. Because he is hungry, he is still hungry. I think he was on fire after watching TDF and Chen's SP. LP wasn't that good but potentially that program is a statement. I don't think Yuzu wants to watch Jin and Chen fight with each other only, he wants to be in the same battlefield.
Have you seen these arts? https://twitter.com/runrun8383/status/797805682627997702
https://twitter.com/runrun8383/status/797741754652839936 Maybe someone could translate the words for proper understanding?

 

[Sorrento]

I'm sorry but no one here ever spoke of consistency, plus "consistency" isn't the only requirement Yuzu considers when he puts a new jump in his layout otherwise he'd have gone for 4Lo last season already.

I tend to analyse his actual competitive skates. If I see a 4Lz/4F/4A in those- I can discuss those because those are real deal. The jumps that are done in training sessions are not sport achievements to me. Mastered jump is the one performed in competition with a positive GOE. He is on the level where he can't jump without quality, that is his status and the level of judges expectations is very high. So they are ready to reward sucessful performance but if the performance has many flaws he is going to get low marks.
Anyone can try and add another rotaton to the jump. If that leads to a bigger success rate with a triple jump- fine. But that does not necessarily mean that one day triple will become a quad, same qualitative and successful.
Give me a quad first.

 

[carotide]

Well, I tried.. :giveup:

 

[mcq]

I don't mind people having fun joking about these things. But others take those jokes for real facts and then come and cry and complain about flawed performances. We need to see the difference between facts and wishful thinking. It is not directed against anybody in this forum and I do not try to create any conflict with this.

Look, if people want to complain and cry foul because of his flawed performance, or because they can't distinguish between facts , opinion and speculation then that is their own problem. The 4 quad-LP was started as a joke too and I can clearly remembered how so many members here were highly against it because it would make him more prone to injury, and look at what we have now. The thing is, the 4Lz is not really a joke. Brian said he landed it, skaters who trained there, journalist, etc said the same thing. Even Yuzuru himself said he is training and landing them. Does this mean it would be included in his program in the near future? Not really. But does it also mean he will not include it ever? I wouldn't bet my money on that. With the way the sport is going, anything could happen.

It was just a conversation on what he may or may not do heading into the Olympics, or after the Olympics, I see no harm in it. Some people like talking and discussing about what they want his music choice, his costume etc to be, or his favorite food or his fanart or how cute he is. I don't see why it is a problem if some others like discussing about his possible future layout and/or when he is going to implement it. It is related to his skating after all and It is not like it is slander or something negative, just saying.

 

[hamaguri]

These are new upload? Many thanks for the uploader!

2016 Skate Canada - Yuzuru Hanyu SP & fluff [TSN] complete ver
https://youtu.be/NEaOpGovviM

2016 Skate Canada - Yuzuru Hanyu SP fluff 3 [TSN]
https://youtu.be/RaRFzJXvXXE

 

[liv]

I enjoy hearing about what he is doing in practice. I like people pushing themselves, thinking ahead, and preparing themselves for future possibilities. We do not know how the young quadsters will do at world's ... but slowly training a 4L, for yuzu, makes sense to me.If he has competition ambitions beyond 2018, well, then he knows he has to do it. Yuzu enjoys pushing himself to the absolute limit or he would not still be competing. What a treasure.

 

[Sorrento]

It is related to his skating after all and It is not like it is slander or something negative, just saying.

And is it a slander that I don't want to joke about it? Why come and say hey we are joking here, don't spoil our fun? Come on- if you have fun and it's a thread for Yuzu related then how come I cannot say anything that is not a part of this fun?

 

[Sorrento]

I like people pushing themselves, thinking ahead, and preparing themselves for future possibilities. We do not know how the young quadsters will do at world's ...

This season's Worlds in no problemo, they are building ther stamina for the next one. And Yuzu's task is to stay healthy and push the sport simultaneously. It's kind of mission... emm... What was that movie again?

 

[shyne]

Something I recorded during the SC Gala practice. Not sure if some one has already uploaded a similar version of this, but Yuzu and Evgenia had a little "jump battle" during the gala practice. https://youtu.be/LvIKvb_1Lg4

 

[mcq]

And is it a slander that I don't want to joke about it? Why come and say hey we are joking here, don't spoil our fun? Come on- if you have fun and it's a thread for Yuzu related then how come I cannot say anything that is not a part of this fun?

Did I say that you cannot say anything? I didn't think I did, not anywhere in my post. I didn't tell you that it is not something you shouldn't feel upset about, but that if some people feel upset about technical layout discussion, it is something that can't be helped by people who discuss it; it is not like any of us can control what people feel. I was just saying that it is not a discussion that is out of line or breaking forum's rules, and if people can discuss/speculate about his future costume, his future music, his future program etc then in my opinion there is nothing wrong with discussing about his possible future layout. People do it in other fanfest too. The others are free to discuss these just like you are free to voice your distaste of it. And like I mentioned in my previous post, I can't speak of the others, but I did not joke when I discussed about his layout.

 

[Sorrento]

And like I mentioned in my previous post, I can't speak of the others, but I did not joke when I discussed about his layout.

There is no point of continuing this conversation. We clearly do not find the common ground for that.

 

[Meoima]

Ok so Morozov has just done an interview bashing Yuzuru and Javi. In my opinion it sounds sour grape.
As a coach, a professional one, he should have known how to not bash other skaters/coaches. This man is true to his infamous reputation.

 

[alia jackson]

Something I recorded during the SC Gala practice. Not sure if some one has already uploaded a similar version of this, but Yuzu and Evgenia had a little "jump battle" during the gala practice. https://youtu.be/LvIKvb_1Lg4

 

[shiroKJ]

Ok so Morozov has just done an interview bashing Yuzuru and Javi. In my opinion it sounds sour grape.
As a coach, a professional one, he should have known how to not bash other skaters/coaches. This man is true to his infamous reputation.

He indeed is a terrible (gross) person through and through. :disagree: The harsh words can probably also be attributed to his new student, who incidentally is a challenger of the podium.

 

[melmel]

Ok so Morozov has just done an interview bashing Yuzuru and Javi. In my opinion it sounds sour grape.
As a coach, a professional one, he should have known how to not bash other skaters/coaches. This man is true to his infamous reputation.

do you have a link/translation ? I already have my popcorn ready
Anyone bashing Yuzu and Javi is sour grapes to me, and coming from Morozov, it's probably rotten sour grapes