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commenting on TGee's and Skatergal101's posts about Gabby and Canadian women.

The way I see the competition if I play shrink with Gabby : She was ecstatic after the SP ... even BEFORE the huge score came up. She seemed even surprised to finally get BOTH recognition TES and PCS wise... It is not a small feat to manage such high GOE on all her jumping passes and no longer being labeled as a jumper only. As I said, I change favourite every competition about our Canadian ladies, but if I were to give a "most improved" award, it would be to Gabby's PCS. This year, she's worked really well and I think Lori Nichol understands what kind of programs Gabby can do well. Her programs by the way, to my untrained eye, look PACKED with difficult steps and transitions, and tons of them are while she is also building speed for her huge jumps.

Now... the LP... well. She knew the ice was a mess. I am sure she skated near the puddle in the warm up and thought, "how in the world am I going to land a 3-3 in there...." she went for it but the way she landed and fell flat almost on her face tells me she had one instant of panic in the air.... and couldn't control the exit of the jump...

Then, well she fought... but quickly realized that she shouldn't have rippon that 3LZ.... she could have tagged a 3T in the end of it.... but since she never misses the 3t-3t, she probably didn't have that thought until the jump was over.

Went to the flip, not exactly in the same spot as the puddle but in the same direction, not sure what happened there??? Did she think about adding a 3t there??? I have no clue...

The rest of the program, Gabby fought really hard... but it was too late. She had lost about 15 points on the pop and the combo (the combo gives her 10 points + she got 2 points - 1 for the fall on that attempt, 1 point there... OUCH)

I think Gabby is not used to be at the top after the SP, and her lead over 4th place was considerable. I think that's why she cried and said "4th again". If I could talk to her I would tell her that it's not a tragedy to mess up in those conditions, considering her OWN strength in speed and ice coverage and especially considering that she is not used to be in command of her own destiny after the short. I think the pain was being so close to the podium after messing up so much.... she knows that the silver/bronze were at reach... She knows she could have done it any other day. She feels she deserves an accolade because she does indeed work so hard. It seems to me they change the choreo from Skate America here... i was surprised with the flip placement (perhaps that's also why she popped it)

Looking at numbers: she got 119 points for the long.... her best score is worlds 128....
her best total score is 195 at worlds... she got 192 here...

actually, all things considered, to get on the podium she needed above 194.... so her best total world's score was needed. of course, add those 15 points she lost, and wow.. she could get to 207... and that's assuming pcs would remain more or less the same...

HUGE potential Gabby! Things will come in time. Do not focus on the results, just on the process! You will get the results when it's time! (perhaps it stings more because Alaine has won a grand prix medal and Kaetlyn a couple)


Re Kaetlyn and Alaine...

The 3 Canadian ladies this year are not in the dark.... if anyone doubted one of them last year, nobody does this year.... so all of them know that they need a big season, and a great showing at nationals. Otherwise, the season might end at 4CC.

So far, and of course, it's hard to tell as we have seen the best of Kaetlyn this year, some highs and lows from Alaine, and some HUGE highs and lows from Gabby, being able to nail only one of her two programs in her grand prix outing... I wish we could have gotten TDF's SP + SA's LP for Gabby in one competition... watch out! When she does it, it will be up there!!!!

So, what will Kaetlyn bring this coming weekend at COC? Will Alaine do better than at SC???

I HOPE they both will do well.... but if I had to make a Canadian ranking right now : I'd say that even with her misfortune yesterday, Gabby has found the perfect SP to keep her in the top 6 at worlds... Final flight is mandatory for any chance of a good result.... especially in the ladies field at worlds.. Kaetlyn is just as strong and we will see if her big 3f-3t remains consistent. I think that's key. Alaine has had difficulties with elevation in her jumps at SC. A couple UR calls and you're done. The tech panel have been stricter this year and I am happy about that. However, it gives an advantage to big jumpers like Gabby and Kaetlyn. I am in no way saying that Alaine jumps small. Her lutz can be huge! It's more the combos that will give her issues. The 3lz-3t is often two-footed and the 2a-1/2l-3S is so hard to rotate fully. I am hoping that she is addressing this right now as when she has enough speed and elevation, she is amazing in her control.

So, if I had to rank them right now, I'd put Alaine in 3rd. But, and that's the beauty of the sport, we certainly won't know until it's over ;)

Exciting! Any other comments or rankings? My analysis is subjective or course and may change in two weeks ;)

excellent analysis! I think Gabby has to learn to control the nerves after having a great short program. Osmond definitely has an advantage psychologically, she has dealt with many set backs and failures over the past couple years, which has helped her 100%.
 
I'd say Kaetlyn has a far better chance of making the podium at CoC than Alaine does at NHK.

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Kaetlyn probably can't expect the very high scores she received on home ice, but she does have a very good chance to medal if she skates her best here.

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Alaine's 185.56 from SC 2016 is her Personal Best, so she'd have to add about 10 points to that to make the podium at NHK.

Actually, ISU lists Alaine's 2016 Autumn Classic 186.11 as her PB, but it is close the the number you gave. But the thing is that her PB has gone up a lot on her FS.

A ten point improvement sounds like a great deal, until her SP program scores for this season are considered. 56.61 at Autumn Classic, and 62.15 at Skate Canada International.

Alaine can and should be doing better in the SP than this. Her PB for a SP is 67.38.

So, my hope is that her coaching team, like Gabby's, took a look after her first GP and have adjusted the SP to maximize the potential for a clean start to her next event
 
Anyone have reports of WO or EO sectionals....? Please, they would be very appreciated....

EO hasn't posted any results yet...links aren't live.

WO has sectionals results link that actually goes to the August Summer Sizzle results. The actual results are with the start list and can be found here.

http://www.skating-wos.on.ca/results/2016-17/16sectionals/index.htm

But the weird thing is that, while the dance and pairs teams from other sections were invited to the WO sectionals, only the WO results are posted.!!?

A number of guest Skaters and Dance and Pair Teams from other Skate Canada Sections are competing at our Sectionals.
Their names will be listed in the Start Orders but results posted will consist of Western Ontario Section Competitors only.


Uhm, so I guess that means that the results for skaters from other sections will eventually be posted on their own sections web-pages, but I don't see provision for it on the other sections' web-sites....

I know that a transition is going on, but this is so NOT transparent......

This is clearly raising more eyebrows than mine, here are comments to the results link tweeted by Skate Canada WO, and the response [which was retweeted by Skate Ontario, which otherwise is silent on this]. WO intends to provide links to CO and EO's results once they are posted...

https://twitter.com/SkateCanadaWO/status/797859937779150848
 
Anyone have reports of WO or EO sectionals....? Please, they would be very appreciated....

EO hasn't posted any results yet...links aren't live.

WO has sectionals results link that actually goes to the August Summer Sizzle results. The actual results are with the start list and can be found here.

http://www.skating-wos.on.ca/results/2016-17/16sectionals/index.htm

But the weird thing is that, while the dance and pairs teams from other sections were invited to the WO sectionals, only the WO results are posted.!!?

A number of guest Skaters and Dance and Pair Teams from other Skate Canada Sections are competing at our Sectionals.
Their names will be listed in the Start Orders but results posted will consist of Western Ontario Section Competitors only.


Uhm, so I guess that means that the results for skaters from other sections will eventually be posted on their own sections web-pages, but I don't see provision for it on the other sections' web-sites....

I know that a transition is going on, but this is so NOT transparent......

This is clearly raising more eyebrows than mine, here are comments to the results link tweeted by Skate Canada WO, and the response [which was retweeted by Skate Ontario, which otherwise is silent on this]. WO intends to provide links to CO and EO's results once they are posted...

https://twitter.com/SkateCanadaWO/status/797859937779150848


Actually, you have it all wrong. It is not related to the transition at all. As I understand it, all Ontario dance teams were to have competed their sectionals at CO Sectionals last year except WO decided not to send the dance teams there. Similarly, all dancers were to have been at WO Sectionals this year.

Even though other sections were at WO sectionals, it was still considered each sections own sectionals even though judging and initial results postings on the wall were 'consolidated'. The judges wanted all teams in 1 location to reduce having to travel to multiple sectionals for 1 group of maybe 1 - 4 dance teams/pairs teams. It also gave all the skaters the ability to see how they compared to other sections before Challenge.

All podium presentations were done for each section's dancers and pairs where applicable.
And thus, final official results are to be posted for each section on their own website or with separate links indicating section.

ETA: CO had their some of their usual competition personnel there as well. Not sure of EO
 
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Oh, Alaine is so cute! She strikes me as humble and unassuming in all her interviews.

I'm curious, does anyone know what her parents do for a living?

Can't exactly recall, but I believe it was a trade for her dad....it was mentioned in the features CBC "road less traveled" feature on Alaine before Worlds...

Her whole family is behind her...Up until her current costumes, her grandmother made all of them. And although Charlene in Toronto cut her new ones, Alaine's grandmother did the finishing work...

I've mentioned before that by all the reports [keeping in mind that she spreads her training around many clubs], she is as gracious, kind and humble as she appears in that feature. I've heard folks remark that many a young skater could do well to emulate her comportment.
 
I've always appreciated the family support Alaine has. And wondered a bit about her finances. It's expensive to rent a place in Toronto, so I can understand her desire to live at home and travel in the camper. If your family hasn't got at least $40000 a year to drop on your career you have to do what you must to be competitive. Junior lady Emily Bausback was going for a grant and mentioned how much she could use the money with her mom dealing with cancer and her skating career costing 40k.

Gabby... :console: Those tears were for another fourth place. Another fourth to two newly senior ladies. It's an improvement on last year, where she was 5th and 6th. Now she's 4th twice, with marks close to what she got at the end of the season. A PB in SP. Higher PCS. These are all positives. All things she can use for the 2nd half of this season, and for the next, the Olympic season. With better scores comes more pressure. She's going to train her mind to deal with it as she's trained her body to deal with the demands of skating. There is no guarantee she can beat any of the newly senior ladies, but she can try her best with the skills she has.

Piper and Paul...a better FD. Another bronze. No Grand Prix Final, but more feedback. It's ok. The battle for 2nd place ice dance team in Canada is still looming, as of now. We'll see what changes they're making to hit their levels, particularly in the step sequences.

France is not a happy place to skate. Kevin Aymoz sobbing in the kiss and cry and the two junior ladies injured in the bus crash started off this figure skating season in St. Gervais. This is without mentioning the lovely president of the FFSG and his storied history. I'm thinking it was good there were only two assignments to Trophée de France. Grand Prix Final will be another beast though. No more bad ice, accidents, pigeons, or sobbing over fourth place finishes, please.

Medals count
11 gold, 8 silvers, 9 bronze = 28 medals in total
 
Sorry I forgot to mention sectionals stuff.

I too was wondering what in the world is going on in regards to the dance marks from WOS. Thank you guys for clearing that up. I was glad to see Bruce & Natalie do well in their category...though I can no longer find their results on WOS's site. :scratch2:

Over in Kelowna the BC/Yukon sectionals were going on. Skate BC/YK's YouTube account got suspended for too many copyright violations so they set up shop on another account: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBWk4ViAQpRPRN0Yd7uKmhw
That URL is a mouthful.

A few skates caught my eye.

Larkyn Austman had a good (in regards to her usual) FS after having an awful SP.

Emily Bausback landed a 3Lz-3T in her SP. Got crushed in PCS in her FS. Joanne McLeod appears to be getting her skaters to master their skills before getting more artistic. Her skater Vasilisa Matantseva did well too, winning the novice title and landing some triples.

New favourite: Vienna Harwood. Her skating is so pleasant. I liked her skating more than that of the pre-nov winner. Don't know how it'll be when she gets her triples, but watching her skate right now is enjoyable. Her FS, to The Sound of Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcqp6Q6AgA
 
watched vienna... delightful... hopefully she gets her triples... she could have the full package.. her doubles are nice...

watched larkyn... i don't think unfortunately it will be good enough...

watched bausback and tamura (both sp and fp) we have girls with 3-3 outside of the top 3... Mallet should watch out...
i agree with you .. very unpolished skating but i hope they get through this now that they have the jumps... bausback loop is like a nuclear launch.. .it hss so much height and pop in the fp... i was like OH WOW! hehe ;)

Sorry I forgot to mention sectionals stuff.

I too was wondering what in the world is going on in regards to the dance marks from WOS. Thank you guys for clearing that up. I was glad to see Bruce & Natalie do well in their category...though I can no longer find their results on WOS's site. :scratch2:

Over in Kelowna the BC/Yukon sectionals were going on. Skate BC/YK's YouTube account got suspended for too many copyright violations so they set up shop on another account: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBWk4ViAQpRPRN0Yd7uKmhw
That URL is a mouthful.

A few skates caught my eye.

Larkyn Austman had a good (in regards to her usual) FS after having an awful SP.

Emily Bausback landed a 3Lz-3T in her SP. Got crushed in PCS in her FS. Joanne McLeod appears to be getting her skaters to master their skills before getting more artistic. Her skater Vasilisa Matantseva did well too, winning the novice title and landing some triples.

New favourite: Vienna Harwood. Her skating is so pleasant. I liked her skating more than that of the pre-nov winner. Don't know how it'll be when she gets her triples, but watching her skate right now is enjoyable. Her FS, to The Sound of Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcqp6Q6AgA
 
Sorry I forgot to mention sectionals stuff.

I too was wondering what in the world is going on in regards to the dance marks from WOS. Thank you guys for clearing that up. I was glad to see Bruce & Natalie do well in their category...though I can no longer find their results on WOS's site. :scratch2:

Over in Kelowna the BC/Yukon sectionals were going on. Skate BC/YK's YouTube account got suspended for too many copyright violations so they set up shop on another account: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBWk4ViAQpRPRN0Yd7uKmhw
That URL is a mouthful.

A few skates caught my eye.

Larkyn Austman had a good (in regards to her usual) FS after having an awful SP.

Emily Bausback landed a 3Lz-3T in her SP. Got crushed in PCS in her FS. Joanne McLeod appears to be getting her skaters to master their skills before getting more artistic. Her skater Vasilisa Matantseva did well too, winning the novice title and landing some triples.

New favourite: Vienna Harwood. Her skating is so pleasant. I liked her skating more than that of the pre-nov winner. Don't know how it'll be when she gets her triples, but watching her skate right now is enjoyable. Her FS, to The Sound of Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcqp6Q6AgA

Thanks for the report Mango....

While I'm sorry to hear that Skate BC/YK's YouTube account was suspended, if there is anyone to take on the autoviolation systems it would be Ted Barton....I sincerely hope that ISU plans to give Ted a lot of speaking time at its next conference given the theme is global marketing and social media.

Concerned to hear about Emily's PCS....Sounds like it is elements, and not skills that Joanne McLeod is emphasizing. Honestly, there are great people to teach ice dance and skating skills in the Lower Mainland [as the Firus brothers attest]. In my view, for McLeod to take the next step up as an elite coach that folks seek out, it seems as though she will need to get past whatever it is that keeps her from bringing that expertise to her skaters earlier in their development. It sounds as though the judges are sending the message.....
 
I noticed someone mentioned Catherine Carle, novice champ at COS Sectionals. She was the only lady to do a 3-3 combo...not even the senior ladies tried. Quite a remarkable performance. Alas, novice ladies started very early in the morning. For anyone watching Rostelecom Cup it would have been impossible to go. Hope to see her do well at Challenge which is now 2.5 weeks away.
 
Thanks for the report Mango....


Concerned to hear about Emily's PCS....Sounds like it is elements, and not skills that Joanne McLeod is emphasizing. Honestly, there are great people to teach ice dance and skating skills in the Lower Mainland [as the Firus brothers attest]. In my view, for McLeod to take the next step up as an elite coach that folks seek out, it seems as though she will need to get past whatever it is that keeps her from bringing that expertise to her skaters earlier in their development. It sounds as though the judges are sending the message.....

Agree here. Technically though Mcleod's ladies also all seem to have a problem with the triple flip as well. With such a large team of coaches at Champs you would think someone on that team would focus on the refinement and skating skills part.
 
I noticed someone mentioned Catherine Carle, novice champ at COS Sectionals. She was the only lady to do a 3-3 combo...not even the senior ladies tried. Quite a remarkable performance. Alas, novice ladies started very early in the morning. For anyone watching Rostelecom Cup it would have been impossible to go. Hope to see her do well at Challenge which is now 2.5 weeks away.


In Quebec also watch out for Rosalie Vincent who scored 130.63 in the Quebec sectionals. In her FS she landed a huge 2A-3T combo ( got +2 GOE from judges ) . She landed toe , salchow and loop and fully rotated a flip. She also has good SS as well.

I think these 2 will be duking it out for the novice title. I am sure both these ladies will likely get JGP and/or Autumn Classic next season.
 
If Kaetlyn wins bronze this week, does she qualify for GPF?
I know I could figure it out myself but my head isn't really functioning atm.
 
If Kaetlyn wins bronze this week, does she qualify for GPF?
I know I could figure it out myself but my head isn't really functioning atm.

My head isn't really functioning atm either but I tried... hopefully I didn't make any mistake:

Evgenia has already qualified for GPF.
Among those who still have one assignment left, there are two with more points than Kaetlyn (13) right now:
Anna: 15 points, will be at NHK
Ashley: 15 points, will be at CoC
Two with the same points as Kaetlyn:
Radionova: 13 points, will be at CoC
Sotskova: 13 points, will be at NHK
And six with fewer points than Kaetlyn but theoretically have the chance to end up ahead of her, assuming Kaetlyn wins bronze (11 points) in China and ends up with 24 points:
Wakaba Higuchi: 11 points, will be at NHK
Satoko: 11 points, will be at NHK
Mai Mihara: 11 points, will be at NHK
Courtney Hicks: 11 points, will be at CoC
Tuk: 9 points, will be at CoC
Zijun: 9 points, will be at CoC

Assuming Kaetlyn wins bronze and Ashley & Radionova goes 1-2 in China, in whatever order, they will have more points than Kaetlyn; If Satoko wins gold and Anna silver at NHK, they will also be ahead of Kaetlyn. These four plus Evgenia = only one spot left. If Sotskova takes bronze at NHK, she will end up with 24 points, too, and there will be a tie-breaker between her and Kaetlyn.
If Anna wins gold and Satoko silver at NHK, Satoko will also end up with 24 points...

tl;dr Kaetlyn is probably not entirely safe if she wins bronze in China. But I think she can probably place higher than 3rd in China if things goes reasonably well... We'll see. I'd love her to qualify for the GPF.
 
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If Kaetlyn wins bronze this week, does she qualify for GPF?
I know I could figure it out myself but my head isn't really functioning atm.

Anna Pogorilaya and Ashley Wagner have already won events so they look like locks, last 3 spots will be contested by Kaetlyn, Satoko Miyahara, Maria Sotskova, Elena Radionova, Wakaba Higuchi, maybe Courtney Hicks but NHK is quite stacked so the chances for Courtney don't look good because her PBs are low.

A bronze at CoC for Kaetlyn will take her to the GPF ahead of the other skaters contesting if:
Maria Sotskova (silver at TdF) wins a bronze (or lower) at NHK Trophy and does not surpass Kaetlyn's combined scores
Wakaba Higuchi (bronze at Tdf) wins silver (or lower) at NHK and does not surpass Kaetlyn's combined scores
Satoko Miyahara (bronze at SCI) wins silver (or lower) at NHK and does not surpass Kaetlyn's combined scores
Mai Mihara (bronze at SkAm) wins silver (or lower) at NHK and does not surpass Kaetlyn's combined scores

Combined scores is used a tiebreaker for those with the same points earned from their placements and this is assuming Elena Radionova gets silver and earns a ticket

If any of the Japanese ladies win gold with Sotskova in silver then Kaetlyn is out of a spot with a bronze at CoC.

Elena Radionova however, does not seem to be in good shape and looks beatable for Kaetlyn so if Kaetlyn nabs another silver she can make it. If Ashley skates like she did at Skate America and Kaetlyn repeats her Skate Canada performance it's possible she could nab a gold. At this point it's a toss up, the time difference could make it more exhausting. It'll be an interesting weekend.
 
I am predicting Osmond4gold at COC... Yes... it's very daring... I don't believe in jinxing... i just feel Kaetlyn is about to burst on the scene with a big warning.

If I am wrong, well... i have been right and wrong before.. :) but watch out for Kaetlyn! She is going for it!
 
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