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StitchMonkey said:
Well he was listed for the exhibition. So either he is not injured or well I fear i am too cynical to finish that sentence... but i don't think doing exhibitions when injured is a good idea.

...an injury would have at least made sense.
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Or he is human. Making the GPF is not the be all end all, just ask Denis Ten.
 
Mrs. P said:
There isn't. One hopes that isn't the case. My hope is that whatever it was it was something temporary -- i.e. sickness or a sprain -- that played havoc with his jumps.

That FS is the lowest free skate score in his entire senior career. Only his debut FS at Nebelhorn Trophy 2013 was even slightly close. http://www.isuresults.com/results/nt2013/SEG002.HTM

It will be interesting to see if Jason will be assigned to Golden Spin of Zagrab. Adam Rippon was originally entered for that competition, but obviously he'll be at GPF instead. USFSA hasn't officially announced assignments for that competition, which tells me they were waiting for GP results.

He isn't listed as a substitute, but Ashley Wagner was not either and was later listed.
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I don't know if there's any humor in this or not, but at his senior national debut in 2011, his free skate score was 144.44, - virtually identical to what he scored today (and his TES at 72.86 was 10 points higher, without even a 3A). Here's that beautiful skate for anyone who wants to watch it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G94pHGvq3Fs

I agree it will be interesting to see whether he's assigned to Golden Spin. Whether it would even prove useful to him depends, I guess, on what happened here.
 
I am sure many Jason fans simply forget he is a human like the rest of us. He had a bad comp, it happens. I'm sure he'll be rip-raring to go at Nationals.
 
karne said:
I am sure many Jason fans simply forget he is a human like the rest of us. He had a bad comp, it happens. I'm sure he'll be rip-raring to go at Nationals.
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Yep. I think what stands out though is that he did so badly. Usually even in a bad competition, he manages to pull off at least one good program or salvage the bad program.

I don't think I've seen him do THAT poorly since maybe 2012 nationals when he fell three times. Or maybe 2012 JGP Courchavel with four URs and edge calls on both his lutzes.

But I definitely agree -- as noted above -- that what we saw is someone being human.
 
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In my limited experience, Jason's "normal" pattern has either been to do a bad SP followed by a great FS (e.g., Rostelecom 2014, Skate America 2015), or do a great SP / fall apart in the FS / bounce back with lessons learned at the next competition (e.g., Olympics, 2013 Skate America).

So while everyone may have a bad competition from time to time, this seems uncharacteristic to me. The only parallel I can find is Glacier Falls 2015, where he was adding a quad to two new programs.
 
Tavi... said:
In my limited experience, Jason's "normal" pattern has either been to do a bad SP followed by a great FS (e.g., Rostelecom 2014, Skate America 2015), or do a great SP / fall apart in the FS / bounce back with lessons learned at the next competition (e.g., Olympics, 2013 Skate America).

So while everyone may have a bad competition from time to time, this seems uncharacteristic to me. The only parallel I can find is Glacier Falls 2015, where he was adding a quad to two new programs.
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I'd say the most comparable is 2012 JGP Courchavel. The tech panel had it out for him! And he was also beaten by Boyang Jin. And he hadn't even attempted a 3A at this competition. The first half 2012-2013 season actually was really tough. He finished out of the podium at JGPF -- Ryuju Hino -- who was at NHK!! -- edged him out for bronze. He fell on the 3A in both the SP and FS at U.S. Nationals while his main (friendly) rival Joshua Farris got on the podium.

It really was only at Junior Worlds that everything started to click and in a big way too -- he got all the 3As attempts and he even won the men's FS (despite losing to Josh overall).

I do think it's was more of a mental thing. He did seem to fall into bad habits and you usually do that when you're nervous or on edge. Or overexcited. Jason is a great competitor, but even a good competitor will have an occasional setback.
 
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Mrs. P said:
I'd say the most comparable is 2012 JGP Courchavel. The tech panel had it out for him! And he was also beaten by Boyang Jin. And he hadn't even attempted a 3A at this competition. The first half 2012-2013 season actually was really tough. He finished out of the podium at JGPF -- Ryuju Hino -- who was at NHK!! -- edged him out for bronze. He fell on the 3A in both the SP and FS at U.S. Nationals while his main (friendly) rival Joshua Farris got on the podium.

It really was only at Junior Worlds that everything started to click and in a big way too -- he got all the 3As attempts and he even won the men's FS (despite losing to Josh overall).

I do think it's was more of a mental thing. He did seem to fall into bad habits and you usually do that when you're nervous or on edge. Or overexcited. Jason is a great competitor, but even a good competitor will have an occasional setback.
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It's good to get your perspective as a long time fan.

It sounds like 2012-2013 was a period of great change accompanied by major growing pains. But a few months later, he made his senior debut at Skate America 2013, earned his first GP medal, and made the Olympic Team.

Maybe, maybe, this epic fail at NHK is part of a similar journey, from senior competitor with potential to real contender. Because isn't that what everyone has been saying about him forever? You know, wait til he gets that quad? And now he's got that quad and they're calling him a contender. And maybe he's just not quite ready for it.

I'm so used to thinking of Jason as the steely (if sunny) competitor who bounces back and quickly learns from his mistakes that I've had a hard time understanding what happened here. And of course we don't truly know. But really, we see the little kid in him emerge in the kiss and cry each time he awaits his scores. And maybe that kid just needs to take two steps backwards before he can comfortably move forward.

Or, as Shakespeare (King Lear) said in far fewer words than I:

Ripeness is all
 
So sad today, you would think it was November 9 again. Don't know why this hit me, but it did.:cry: I guess I never wanted "ice is slippery" to catch up to Jason.

Jason was invited to the gala, as well as Elladj Balde and Deniss V. I would rather see those three skate than many medallists at many GPs:clap: Maybe I should just stick to exhibitions.....
 
el henry said:
So sad today, you would think it was November 9 again. Don't know why this hit me, but it did.:cry: I guess I never wanted "ice is slippery" to catch up to Jason.

Jason was invited to the gala, as well as Elladj Balde and Deniss V. I would rather see those three skate than many medallists at many GPs:clap: Maybe I should just stick to exhibitions.....
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Okay, you made me laugh by comparing this to the election.

Jason just tweeted a picture of himself with a big smile and a big bunch of flowers. I can't understand the Japanese translation, but he seems to be bouncing back already. Good for him.

https://twitter.com/jasonbskates/status/802731017941323776

According to google translate he says: Thank you for your support! I love you all!
 
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And all of the reply messages are so sweet (both the english and japanese)! He is truly adored! Gives me the warm fuzzies.
 
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Natives feel free to correct me if I'm wrong because I'm also studying, lol. But from what I gather the announcer is reading what they have on those cards and interpreting the pictures. For Jason the announcer says "[I'm] studying Japanese" and then "[I'm] reading a book" and then"Jason Brown loves Japan. "
And then he is telling Jason thank you, I think. And then for Nathan I heard "ongaku" which means "music" (makes sense with the guitar there), "cycling". Then they lady says he wrote in Katakana. From what I can see there it's his name in Katakana. And then they said a couple of other words that's too low for me to hear, but then he thanks them. I'm guessing it's just pictures Nate and Jason drew regarding their personalities and hobbies and interests.
 
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Danibellerika said:
Natives feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I'm also studying, lol. But from what I gather the announcer is reading what they have on those cards and interpreting the pictures. For Jason the announcer says "[I'm] studying Japanese" and then "[I'm] reading a book" and then"Jason Brown loves Japan. "
And then he is telling Jason thank you, I think. And then for Nathan I heard "ongaku" which means "music" (makes sense with the guitar there), "cycling". Then they lady says he wrote in Katakana. From what I can see there it's his name in Katakana. And then they said a couple of other words that's too low for me to hear, but then he thanks them. I'm guessing it's just pictures Nate and Jason drew regarding their personalities and hobbies and interests.
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Thank you!
 
el henry said:
So sad today, you would think it was November 9 again. Don't know why this hit me, but it did.:cry: I guess I never wanted "ice is slippery" to catch up to Jason.

Jason was invited to the gala, as well as Elladj Balde and Deniss V. I would rather see those three skate than many medallists at many GPs:clap: Maybe I should just stick to exhibitions.....
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It hit me hard, too. I'm just feeling so sad and can't seem to shake it off
 
TMC said:
This to me = injury/illness.

He's not one to get nervous about an exhibition.
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True. I'm honestly not sure what to think.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QuE3PvitiIU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8WkvGgaFVq0

This is a better copy of the ex followed by the SA ex. Not surprisingly they're very different.

Seen one after another, the NHK one is a bit low energy and lacking in joy; he mostly looks to me like he's determined to give the people a show. Despite the game face, though, the movements are less crisp and purposeful. I notice a hesitation or wariness before he goes into the first jump, which looks like it's supposed to be a 3F - his favorite jump. The landings on that and the 3Z look a bit off balance.

The only other thing I noticed is that he shortens the hydroblade a bit - which he also did in the FS. He doesn't seem to have a physical problem with spins or leg extensions, e.g. the catch foot spin, the splits, and the I-splits he uses as transitions.

So it's hard to say if this was a result of illness or injury - maybe he had one that shortened training. He does look to me like he doesn't trust his jumps. But given that his tweets say nothing at all, who knows.

Here is Kori's most recent tweet, from four days ago. It says nothing about injury, but speaks about mental focus on winning and losing:

https://twitter.com/coachmotto/status/801300529209085952
 
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