Hanyu's skating edges

[skateluvr]

I believe a top Japanese male skater -there are others besides Hanyu to admire- is currently wearing a man bun or at least a pony tale version. I am sorry I cannot recall his name but he skated in at least one maybe two of the GP events. Anyone help me out here.

And ks777 you are right. Asking questions in the edge is just getting abusive. Apparently skaters do not frequent this forum perhaps because they get annoyed at all the ignorance. I think Hanyu has much respect for the edges of Shoma and Patrick.

It is annoying when Ubers need to attack if they feel their favorite is somehow even slightly questioned.

Again G Kelly and Interspectator had the actual helpful opinions. Thanks.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Uno's "deep exit edges"... happen when he is not fully in control of his rotation on exit (which happens often), forcing him into a sharp 180-degree turn. Yes, his edge is deep on those occasions, but it's half-way to a "turn out" on the jump - not something to admire, and not what I'd call "good flow" out of the jump.

I think he does show good control leading out of it... his "sharp" exit edge kinda reminds me of Joubert's outside edge on his jumps meets Kozuka's controlled landings. If it were half-way to a turn out, then he would have a habit of turning out jumps, wouldn't he? I would prefer to see him do a couple more exit transitions though out of his jumps, since he's obviously capable of that.

 

[Meoima]

And ks777 you are right. Asking questions in the edge is just getting abusive. Apparently skaters do not frequent this forum perhaps because they get annoyed at all the ignorance.

No darling, people just find it amusing at your own ignorance. Remember you said Anna copied Ashley? Now you said Hanyu had no deep edge. I assume you don't even know what basic edge is. I give you gifs to show you how good Yuzuru's edge is but you refuse to see it. We are done.
You want real skaters and coach and specialists to comment? Go to Facebook or twitter, I can give you a list of their personal accounts so you can ask for their advice. I know a coach on Twitter and I am afraid he would be like "What the hell?" With your questions though.

 

[Interspectator]

Mr. Japanese Manbun is Mura. A favorite of mine. I'm always on a crusade to get people to notice how underscored he is in skating skills because of his speed and deep edges.
He has that more square and lower center of gravity that Gkelly and Quertyskates mentioned is condusive to naturally deep edges. However, judges are pretty harsh on him for some of the following reasons:
1. He is wildly inconsistent and pops his jumps often, ruining the over-all look of his skate
2. He has a lot of crossovers to enhance his speed as well as few transitions into and out of his jumps
3. He has recently improved by leaps and bounds but some of his earlier skating was more empty and showed off his edges less, this is what judges are remembering.
Now, Charlie white has given him some super programs that if he can skate clean, will push his scores up...I hope!

 

[skateluvr]

No darling, people just find it amusing at your own ignorance. Remember you said Anna copied Ashley? Now you said Hanyu had no deep edge. I assume you don't even know what basic edge is. I give you gifs to show you how good Yuzuru's edge is but you refuse to see it. We are done.
You want real skaters and coach and specialists to comment? Go to Facebook or twitter, I can give you a list of their personal accounts so you can ask for their advice. I know a coach on Twitter and I am afraid he would be like "What the hell?" With your questions though.

How condescending you are. And I hit a nerve. Sorry. The Ubers are just nuts. I'm not going to join Twitter. And I find it laughable that some people can adore one great skater while dissing others who are also wonderful. Your gifs proved nothing. But hey you think you are some ultimate expert. In reality you are simply a Hanyu uber behind a screen. That is all.

Eta a few people in that thread said they too were thinking that she was pulling the sexy card and they were reminded of Ashley because Ashley stated that was her strategy. At least three or four posters were thinking the same thing. So what is the problem? Are you know going to make gifs of how Ashley is not as good as Anna. What is your point? I am done with the discussion because I got an educated answer but not from you. Have a nice night or day etc.

 

[eta]

How condescending you are. And I hit a nerve. Sorry. The Ubers are just nuts. I'm not going to join Twitter. And I find it laughable that some people can adore one great skater while dissing others who are also wonderful. Your gifs proved nothing. But hey you think you are some ultimate expert. In reality you are simply a Hanyu uber behind a screen. That is all.

Wow you can see through screens! All-knowing! God has spoken!

 

[eta]

My my even I know what is a man bun because top figure skaters have been wearing them for years? And Moria I know you love to snip but aren't you European? For some reason I thought you were and manly buns are all over The world.

Perhaps you have heard and seen the gold medal winning Team at the last Olympics. Tat and Max? He was always sporting a man bun for a long time. I barely get out and watch little TV. And it's impossible not to notice men with man buns.

Pray tell do you live under a rock in some obscure country? Thank goodness you have Internet there because I for one would miss your oh so intelligent posts.

So much rudeness towards people not knowing one particular English word......

 

[Lambari]

Mr. Japanese Manbun is Mura. A favorite of mine. I'm always on a crusade to get people to notice how underscored he is in skating skills because of his speed and deep edges.
He has that more square and lower center of gravity that Gkelly and Quertyskates mentioned is condusive to naturally deep edges. However, judges are pretty harsh on him for some of the following reasons:
1. He is wildly inconsistent and pops his jumps often, ruining the over-all look of his skate
2. He has a lot of crossovers to enhance his speed as well as few transitions into and out of his jumps
3. He has recently improved by leaps and bounds but some of his earlier skating was more empty and showed off his edges less, this is what judges are remembering.
Now, Charlie white has given him some super programs that if he can skate clean, will push his scores up...I hope!

4. He is in a never ending mission to skate to every warhorse that has ever descended upon earth.

5. He's responsible for the unforgettable pigeon rendition of 'O'.

6. He skated to Phantom of the Opera with a mask at WTT, the last competition of the season where everyone couldn't handle hearing any more Andrew Lloyd Webber and thought the POTO marathon of 2015 finally ended. In the EX.

Mura needs more love.

agree with all of your points though, just couldn't resist. I'll show myself the door.

 

[Interspectator]

4. He is in a never ending mission to skate to every warhorse that has ever descended upon earth.

5. He's responsible for the unforgettable pigeon rendition of 'O'.

6. He skated to Phantom of the Opera with a mask at WTT, the last competition of the season where everyone couldn't handle hearing any more Andrew Lloyd Webber and thought the POTO marathon of 2015 finally ended. In the EX.

Mura needs more love.

agree with all of your points though, just couldn't resist. I'll show myself the door.

Yes, the costumes. Some think Yuzu's costumes are extreme, Mura is the clear winner of the Team Japan strange shirt contest for both 2015 and 2016.
I may love him for it, but judges may think otherwise.

 

[Meoima]

How condescending you are. And I hit a nerve. Sorry. The Ubers are just nuts. I'm not going to join Twitter. And I find it laughable that some people can adore one great skater while dissing others who are also wonderful. Your gifs proved nothing. But hey you think you are some ultimate expert. In reality you are simply a Hanyu uber behind a screen. That is all.

Lmao, do you have any logic at all? it's YOU WHO ASKED for skaters' comments, they're all ON THE TWITTER and FACEBOOK. Go there and ask them, simple as that.

 

[eta]

Yes, the costumes. Some think Yuzu's costumes are extreme, Mura is the clear winner of the Team Japan strange shirt contest for both 2015 and 2016.
I may love him for it, but judges may think otherwise.

So this is my personal opinion but I wish all the men can dress more like them, colors and bling-blings and feathers etc.

Why do judges not like them?

 

[Interspectator]

So this is my personal opinion but I wish all the men can dress more like them, colors and bling-blings and feathers etc.

Why do judges not like them?

There's no hard evidence that a bad costume will make the judges give lower marks. Quite the opposite.
Some of the best skaters in the world wore some pretty eye-popping stuff for their famous programs.
Plushenko, Lambiel, Daisuke, and more.
It's just something that spectators or commentators say. Whether or not judges actually score costumes? Never been proven.

 

[Khoai]

How condescending you are. And I hit a nerve. Sorry. The Ubers are just nuts. I'm not going to join Twitter. And I find it laughable that some people can adore one great skater while dissing others who are also wonderful. Your gifs proved nothing. But hey you think you are some ultimate expert. In reality you are simply a Hanyu uber behind a screen. That is all.

Eta a few people in that thread said they too were thinking that she was pulling the sexy card and they were reminded of Ashley because Ashley stated that was her strategy. At least three or four posters were thinking the same thing. So what is the problem? Are you know going to make gifs of how Ashley is not as good as Anna. What is your point? I am done with the discussion because I got an educated answer but not from you. Have a nice night or day etc.

Words of an Uber of a girl who UR 7 jumps in her free skate. When people give you images and videos you refuse to see it, what else can they do? Laugh at you, of course.
The ability to see the truth is lacking in some people.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

So this is my personal opinion but I wish all the men can dress more like them, colors and bling-blings and feathers etc.

Why do judges not like them?

Yes.....more bling bling and fluffy feathers and less vneck tight pants vibes please :hap57:

 

[eta]

Yes.....more bling bling and fluffy feathers and less vneck tight pants vibes please :hap57:

I like v-neck and tight pants but they can be, um, very distracting :

So for the good of the sport maybe that's a good idea......

 

[daphenaxa]

Yuzuru has good edge work and very good skating skills. I am not sure what you saw but i disagree with your assessment of him skating on flat. He also showed some signs of fatigue with for example doubling his salchow in the 3A combo but he didn't appear that tired as we have seen in the past where he was struggling to finish a performance and completely letting his core go. He wasn't particularly slow either, especially if you compare him to Fernandez who is the FS best score owner of the season so far.

I guess the loaded way of asking your question (if you were not trolling which honestly is hard to determine) triggered the harsh responses on this thread. I do believe those harsh responses were unnecessary or downright rude for some of them but it is the downside of the Yuzuru fandom. I am also surprised that a Ashley fan would value qualities like deep edges, transitions or speed tbh (sorry I had to throw a bit of shade ).

As for the delightful Shoma bash going on here, Shoma also has very good skating skills and edges and repeating over and over that he has 0 transitions doesn't make it true. The second part of his free program is definitely too empty and with too many crossovers but he has transitions. Besides, his jumps are not really textbook and he has a tendency to overrotate and land them "open" but he also has good flow on a lot of them.

Mura "the guy with the man bun" --> i agree he is under-appreciated

 

[xibsuarz]

Perhaps my opinion is not precisely what you're looking for, since I'm not a skater. But in case you're interested:

Going by what I can appreciate, Yuzuru has very good blade control and edges. I don't think you can have so much going on in between the jumps in terms of TRs and little set up time without it. But I think that he sometimes is too focused on his jumps and forgets to pay attention to small details in the rest of his skating which can lead, for example, to a level 3 on the steps as opposed to a level 4. And fatigue also plays a part, of course, I usually think he pays more attention to detail in the SP than in the FS, since there's less elements and he doesn't get as tired. Tracy Wilson talked about it, too. She said Hanyu has beautiful edges, but he doesn't showcase them as much in competition, because of all the jumps.

I think a compromise is inevitable now between quads and SS. Patrick's edges are gorgeous, and although for some time he was the one who could mix beautiful skating with quads, the technical demand has gone up to the point of having to give more priority to one thing over the other. Patrick is still behind in the jumping arsenal even in comparison to Javier who didn't upgrade his layout (however slight). However, this gives him the chance to truly showcase his SS. And it has worked for him, he had higher PCS scores than Yuzuru at SC even with several mistakes in the jumping passes and Hanyu outdoing him technically.

 

[Geek On Ice]

Mr. Japanese Manbun is Mura. A favorite of mine. I'm always on a crusade to get people to notice how underscored he is in skating skills because of his speed and deep edges.
He has that more square and lower center of gravity that Gkelly and Quertyskates mentioned is condusive to naturally deep edges. However, judges are pretty harsh on him for some of the following reasons:
1. He is wildly inconsistent and pops his jumps often, ruining the over-all look of his skate
2. He has a lot of crossovers to enhance his speed as well as few transitions into and out of his jumps
3. He has recently improved by leaps and bounds but some of his earlier skating was more empty and showed off his edges less, this is what judges are remembering.
Now, Charlie white has given him some super programs that if he can skate clean, will push his scores up...I hope!

As you probably know it already, I'm on the same crusade as you are about Mura, Interspectator! (& I have to agree with those points by Lambari... lol. :gaah
That was the original reason why I started that data analysis. I can't wait for the day when I can put my own Mura's avatar under my name her at GS!!

Anyway, I agree with your points, except (2)!! Thing is, IMO he really does NOT have a lot of crossovers, but I don't blame you at all because you are among many who says so. Remember when I counted CO on his FS at TdF? Now I'm not a real expert and there may be a few mistakes because it was a quick job, but I again counted Mura's SP last season, done by Charlie, because I remember I was surprised by the less # of CO in that program. He does 6 obvious BCO. (Chan does 8 and Shoma does 12 w/ few more FCO, on same season SP.)

I guess his stroke/glide is longer (eg. he does 2 BCO while others do 3) so maybe they stand out?? Also, I have to admit that he does not have that much complex transitions (especially before the jumps) so maybe that's why people think he has many CO.
Oh well, I guess more missions for me on this crusade, eh!?

Sorry for being off topic a bit, I couldn't help it when it comes to my man, Mura! :luv17:
I personally thought the question by skateluvr was actually interesting and I saw a few good informative technical answers, like ones from Gkelly and Quertyskates. Thank you!!

 

[Interspectator]

As you probably know it already, I'm on the same crusade as you are about Mura, Interspectator! (& I have to agree with those points by Lambari... lol. :gaah
That was the original reason why I started that data analysis. I can't wait for the day when I can put my own Mura's avatar under my name her at GS!!

Anyway, I agree with your points, except (2)!! Thing is, IMO he really does NOT have a lot of crossovers, but I don't blame you at all because you are among many who says so. Remember when I counted CO on his FS at TdF? Now I'm not a real expert and there may be a few mistakes because it was a quick job, but I again counted Mura's SP last season, done by Charlie, because I remember I was surprised by the less # of CO in that program. He does 6 obvious BCO. (Chan does 8 and Shoma does 12 w/ few more FCO, on same season SP.)

I guess his stroke/glide is longer (eg. he does 2 BCO while others do 3) so maybe they stand out?? Also, I have to admit that he does not have that much complex transitions (especially before the jumps) so maybe that's why people think he has many CO.
Oh well, I guess more missions for me on this crusade, eh!?

Sorry for being off topic a bit, I couldn't help it when it comes to my man, Mura! :luv17:
I personally thought the question by skateluvr was actually interesting and I saw a few good informative technical answers, like ones from Gkelly and Quertyskates. Thank you!!

I had never counted them. thanks for the info.

 

[daphenaxa]

There is a fancam video of Mr Fernandez at CoR, and he was so slow. He actually dragged himself through the choreo and step sequences. If it were not for the crazy inflation, Mr. Fernandez should have scored at least 10 points less.
But of course, Mr. Uno with tons of crossovers and unstable landings were over-scored massively at CoR as well. Some landings should have gotten - GOE but they gave him positive GOE. CoR was a joke.

yeah I was not at COR but i was at TDF and Javier really was so slow