I kinda thought he was going for a 4lz:whack:
Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season
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I kinda thought he was going for a 4lz:whack:
Is Yuzu still practicing 4A on his own？ oh boy.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BN3Esk9hYNk/?taken-by=yuzu314
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I don't want to go there lol because there has been mixed information regarding that. But let's just say, Yuzuru is an outlier skater even in Japan. He does not necessarily come from the two biggest skating powerhouses, like Chukyo group or Kansai group, yet he soared to the top of the world. Most of the top skaters in Japan has affiliation with these two at one point in their career, iirc.
But all that matters is he is loved by so many now. Of course there will still be naysayers and haters, but the number of people who respect and adore him far triumph that who does not. So I don't think it should be something that is bothering.
They are still Legends, nobody cares. You are defined as a legend not from 1-2 title you win or how you win it, but your overall skating career and your legacy to the FS field, in my opinion.
TBH, he already is a legend (at 22!). No one can debate that, you can talk about medals and WR but he has truly pushed the sport.
Looking at the yuzu cam during Javi's performance makes me wonder what he would be like as a coach
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TBH, he already is a legend (at 22!). No one can debate that, you can talk about medals and WR but he has truly pushed the sport.
Looking at the yuzu cam during Javi's performance makes me wonder what he would be like as a coach
Two words: Shuu... Paa!
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I remember him explaining to Nobu about his 3A technique was like jumping into a wall
Ahh I want to see that! Do you have a link maybe?
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Yuzuru is a smart guy and I'm actually glad to read that he is very realistic about his public image; haters will hate, either because he is an easy target, because of what they presumed to be unfair wins, or even because of his mannerism which they might find slightly girlish. In general (outside of the skating world) he is very much thought of as a proud son of people in Japan though; when I watch Japanese TV, when his name is mentioned, everyone is extremely proud of him and in awe of his talent and achievement.
I do however think he does look the most nervous at Japan National...maybe it's the media or something, but it always gave me a battleground atmosphere...
Like no one is enjoying themselves.
I do however think he does look the most nervous at Japan National...maybe it's the media or something, but it always gave me a battleground atmosphere...
Like no one is enjoying themselves.
Just watched the performance again and I don't think it was disastrous? I think the performance looked like a mess through live streaming bc of the nerve? Bc as I play it 3 more times on repeat, it doesn't feel that bad. It just that I feel he looks super tired after the fall and his inna bauer looks a little bit longer than nhk that he kinda set the 3lz up in a rush? Im not sure about that. And he kinda looks pale at the KnC, probably bc he is super tired. I thought he was gonna cry there honestly, but he is Yuzu, the strong alien Yuzu so I think Im just being extra.
Watching this event made me realize that people who judged Yuzu to be paranoid of the younger skaters and called him unreasonable were kinda proven wrong. Yuzu is not paranoid and he is actually has the most logical strategy to win the next olympic. He won today bc he had a lot of upper hand on his program 's content. Yes his skating and performance skill, at least for me, is still a lot better than those juniors, but he needs to make sure those skills are expressed on the score. For me, there's no point on setting up an OGM goal when ur best performance score is below other skaters' best performance score, bc that means u wait for other skaters to make mistakes to win. Maybe it works now, but one of those skaters would have an amazing day one day where he could deliver a clean perfect performance and the gold is gone. To have a bigger gap is the best strategy especially with how inconsistent this sport is. I agree with his thinking on how increasing the average performance score is the most important. To be able to have a sufficient performance to win even when ur not in ur best condition is what make top professional athlete the top. To expect a perfect performance every time is an illogical strategy. I think today, in addition to their bad performance, the other two top skaters didn't have enough gap on their programs' components to others that's why they lost the podium. Yuzu still got it bc he has sooooo much gap that even when he messes up he could still win.
https://twitter.com/hanyuyuzurufeed/status/807745414480871424
Damn that medal looks so bad. Instead of a medal, it looks like a name tag at a summer retreat instead (￣ー￣)
Watching this event made me realize that people who judged Yuzu to be paranoid of the younger skaters and called him unreasonable were kinda proven wrong. Yuzu is not paranoid and he is actually has the most logical strategy to win the next olympic. He won today bc he had a lot of upper hand on his program 's content. Yes his skating and performance skill, at least for me, is still a lot better than those juniors, but he needs to make sure those skills are expressed on the score. For me, there's no point on setting up an OGM goal when ur best performance score is below other skaters' best performance score, bc that means u wait for other skaters to make mistakes to win. Maybe it works now, but one of those skaters would have an amazing day one day where he could deliver a clean perfect performance and the gold is gone. To have a bigger gap is the best strategy especially with how inconsistent this sport is. I agree with his thinking on how increasing the average performance score is the most important. To be able to have a sufficient performance to win even when ur not in ur best condition is what make top professional athlete the top. To expect a perfect performance every time is an illogical strategy. I think today, in addition to their bad performance, the other two top skaters didn't have enough gap on their programs' components to others that's why they lost the podium. Yuzu still got it bc he has sooooo much gap that even when he messes up he could still win.
https://twitter.com/hanyuyuzurufeed/status/807745414480871424
Damn that medal looks so bad. Instead of a medal, it looks like a name tag at a summer retreat instead (￣ー￣)
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One of my favorite things Kurt said was:
"I would love to have Hanyu's bad day. That would be my dream. You know to go 'aw today wasn't very good' and accidentally win anyways. That's really what kind of level he is at." and he also talked about the performance being good for a "mortal" which is what i think people forget he is XD.
"I would love to have Hanyu's bad day. That would be my dream. You know to go 'aw today wasn't very good' and accidentally win anyways. That's really what kind of level he is at." and he also talked about the performance being good for a "mortal" which is what i think people forget he is XD.
I got the chance to watch it in real time but I couldn't comment until now.
Well, that was not the performance he aimed for, but this will keep him motivated towards Nationals/4 CC/Worlds. And yay for the fact that he still retained his GPF Title. Congrats Yuzu!
That 4S seems to be giving him a lot of trouble, I agree that perhaps he should consider doing the combination in the first half, at least if he misses the second, he won't lose his combination. And the 3Lz, well, it's the 3Lz, we know we can't get too comfortable with it
I was sure he would be very very hard on himself after that FS, but I'm glad he at least sees the positive side of his SB SP, And the 4Lo is steadily getting there! I hope he can land it beautifully in later competitions.
Also, as always, he remains an exemplar sportsman, staying to watch Javier's FS and cheering for him. I hated the whole logistics and organization of the event, but I owe a cookie to the cameraman for focusing on his face
I hope he enjoyed (or enjoys?) himself in the banquet (if there is one) and the gala. So he can return to Japan with motivation for Nationals! Go Yuzu!
Well, that was not the performance he aimed for, but this will keep him motivated towards Nationals/4 CC/Worlds. And yay for the fact that he still retained his GPF Title. Congrats Yuzu!
That 4S seems to be giving him a lot of trouble, I agree that perhaps he should consider doing the combination in the first half, at least if he misses the second, he won't lose his combination. And the 3Lz, well, it's the 3Lz, we know we can't get too comfortable with it
I was sure he would be very very hard on himself after that FS, but I'm glad he at least sees the positive side of his SB SP, And the 4Lo is steadily getting there! I hope he can land it beautifully in later competitions.
Also, as always, he remains an exemplar sportsman, staying to watch Javier's FS and cheering for him. I hated the whole logistics and organization of the event, but I owe a cookie to the cameraman for focusing on his face
I hope he enjoyed (or enjoys?) himself in the banquet (if there is one) and the gala. So he can return to Japan with motivation for Nationals! Go Yuzu!
Late to this party, but yes, short track and figure skating share the same rink. Very different skating rink; speed skating requires a large oval around a center area.
http://www.pyeongchang2018.com/horizon/eng/Olympic_Games/Gangneung_Ice_Arena.asp#Gangneung_Ice_Arena
Speed skating is in a different rink.
http://www.pyeongchang2018.com/horizon/eng/Olympic_Games/Gangneung_Oval.asp#Gangneung_Oval
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Winter_Olympics#Calendar short track runs for only five days, so that mostly takes place on the non-figure skating days.
The speed skating season is in full swing here now, it's hard to switch on the telly and not be bombarded by it. *yawn*
edit: will see about that translation now, but am not expecting to hear much good... Still, you never know.
http://www.pyeongchang2018.com/horizon/eng/Olympic_Games/Gangneung_Ice_Arena.asp#Gangneung_Ice_Arena
Speed skating is in a different rink.
http://www.pyeongchang2018.com/horizon/eng/Olympic_Games/Gangneung_Oval.asp#Gangneung_Oval
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Winter_Olympics#Calendar short track runs for only five days, so that mostly takes place on the non-figure skating days.
The speed skating season is in full swing here now, it's hard to switch on the telly and not be bombarded by it. *yawn*
edit: will see about that translation now, but am not expecting to hear much good... Still, you never know.
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Hi guys, I've recently started a new archive for all of Yuzuru's competition and competition related videos so everything is easy to find
Here is a list of all his different GPF FS links
SP
Misc, eg. Medal ceremony and press conferences (aka where he talked about the 4A and gave me a heart attack
If anyone knows who is commentating please let me know because I'm missing a few at the moment, thank you and hope it's helpful!
Here is a list of all his different GPF FS links
SP
Misc, eg. Medal ceremony and press conferences (aka where he talked about the 4A and gave me a heart attack
If anyone knows who is commentating please let me know because I'm missing a few at the moment, thank you and hope it's helpful!
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I hope he enjoyed (or enjoys?) himself in the banquet (if there is one) and the gala. So he can return to Japan with motivation for Nationals! Go Yuzu!
There will not be a banquet. No banquet. No flags. No decent medals. Welcome to the Ghetto Prix Final. I would say sit your coat on the back of your chair but there are no chair backs...
Anyway I finally watched the top 3 skates. Yuzu wasn't as bad as I thought actually, lol. He just has to get those jumps 'round and he'll be okay. That first 4 Sal was gorgeous! So much height! I think he really needs to consider doing a combo earlier even if it's a 4S/2T, but he seem to have an all or nothing attitude about the free skate. I've really enjoyed watching all these interviews with him as well. It seems like he's wiser about some things and I'm glad he finally wants to give himself a little credit. The short exists for a reason and things add up. if this were the 6.0 system he'd still win over all. This makes me really curious about what the Worlds podium is going to look like though. What a stacked field of men we have to turn this competition on its head!
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Eurosport E2 Dutch commentary of the FS
I think the E2 Dutch commentators are Haya Leenards and Ivo van Haaren. Jeroen Prins used to do it, but I'm not sure if he's done any commentaries this season. IIRC he was at Skate Canada (?) and NHK trophy as judge or tech controller, and this GPF commentary definitely wasn't him, either.
Can it be even better [than Nathan Chen]? He can respond to this like no other, Yuzuru Hanyu. Won the SP with great display of power, 106.53, the second-best score ever. And last year this was the competition in which he didn’t set a foot wrong in both the short and long programs. So he is in top form, exactly at the right moment, just like we’ve come to expect from him. We are very curious to see what his long program looks like. He, too, has four quads planned. Let’s see if he’ll execute them all.
His personal bests, and indeed his world records, he skated a year ago in the GPF. New jump for Hanyu this season is the quad loop, here it comes… yes, beautiful! Quad salchow. And a triple flip [Dutch “eventjes tussendoor”, meaning it’s put in between everything else like it’s nothing important, very easy and casual]. Quad salchow… no, this one doesn’t work out. Quad toeloop, he does hold on to that one. Triple axel, triple toeloop. Another triple axel, oiler (half loop?), double salchow, yeah, that was impossible to save, impossible to jump another triple there in the second jump. Oooh, a single lutz.
Oy Yuzuru Hanyu, I really thought after that first loop, which was finally completely perfect, I thought he would skate a world record, that he’d skate the rest clean, too, because he was already almost clean in Japan where he had only that little stepout I think it was in the loop, that jump he added this season. But it was followed by three small errors in the jumps. A fall at the second triple [???] salchow, well, that was a error [she means big error as opposed to small error]. Then he jumped the triple axel, single, uhm, triple axel, oiler, double salchow, where he had planned a triple salchow, so he leaves some [points] there, too, and then at the end the single lutz instead of the triple, so all things considered, he left some points in the second half of the program. Yeah, and then you don’t skate a world record, no personal best, and you don’t skate the best technical score.
15 points below Nathan Chen. Normally speaking, he should be able to close that gap [make it better, like compensate for the difference], but we’ll have to see how far into the 200 points he scores. Nathan Chen had 84 points for presentation, and the max score Hanyu can score for presentation is 100, that’s only 16 more, and he’s never going to get an average of 10 for everything, so then he isn’t going to win the FS. Yes, and maybe it’ll be close for the entire GPF [tensive?] because there are still two men to go. Well then, a glimmer of hope for the other competitors. We would have really liked to see him skate the perfect FS. He’ll have to save it for Worlds, then.
This is where it went wrong, and after that salchow I think he was so disappointed. That quad toeloop worked out okay, though also not very convincing. First axel was fine, and the second axel was fine, too, but the triple triple combination he couldn’t do after it. Of course the program is more beautiful than Nathan Chen’s, better built, Nathan Chen puts all those difficult jumps, those quads, at the start of the program, and after that he starts to skate a little bit and move, that’s very different with Hanyu. At NHK trophy he scored 197 and a half point, let’s see how far below that mark he gets. 187.37 even, and this is the third score in the FS, but he did havea big lead after the SP, so he will still be in first, but will this be enough for the win? That is still possible, but he has opened the door for Patrick Chan and Javi Fernandez.
(after Chan’s skate)
And so the ranking is completely changed, with Hanyu still the, probably even to himself surprising winner. He didn’t believe in it anymore after his performance, but his lead was large enough, an advantage of twenty points over Shoma Uno, that’s what saved him, but Patrick Chan is not going to manage that.
So only Hanyu and Rippon keep their placement, 1 and 6.
So the winner is Yuzuru Hanyu, wins the title for the fourth time in a row, equaling Yevgeni Plushenko, who also won the GPF four times, but not four times in a row.
Nathan Chen and Shoma Uno steal the show, but a competition is over two events, and in that regard Hanyu was the strongest and ends ahead of Chen and Uno.
[while they’re building the medal ceremony podiums and showing some highlights]
Hanyu does win, but does so with the third score in the FS. It didn’t go smoothly, although it started out wonderfully with that quad loop, and you think, if that works out, the most difficult element in his program, then he’ll go “all the way” (in English), but he didn’t yet. Let’s hope for his sake that he’s saving it for Worlds. He does win, and stays ahead of the young ones Chen and Uno.
//// there will be a recap program of the GPF tomorrow morning with presumably different commentary, but I'm not sure what they will show of Hanyu's programs. Maybe only the SP.
I think the E2 Dutch commentators are Haya Leenards and Ivo van Haaren. Jeroen Prins used to do it, but I'm not sure if he's done any commentaries this season. IIRC he was at Skate Canada (?) and NHK trophy as judge or tech controller, and this GPF commentary definitely wasn't him, either.
Can it be even better [than Nathan Chen]? He can respond to this like no other, Yuzuru Hanyu. Won the SP with great display of power, 106.53, the second-best score ever. And last year this was the competition in which he didn’t set a foot wrong in both the short and long programs. So he is in top form, exactly at the right moment, just like we’ve come to expect from him. We are very curious to see what his long program looks like. He, too, has four quads planned. Let’s see if he’ll execute them all.
His personal bests, and indeed his world records, he skated a year ago in the GPF. New jump for Hanyu this season is the quad loop, here it comes… yes, beautiful! Quad salchow. And a triple flip [Dutch “eventjes tussendoor”, meaning it’s put in between everything else like it’s nothing important, very easy and casual]. Quad salchow… no, this one doesn’t work out. Quad toeloop, he does hold on to that one. Triple axel, triple toeloop. Another triple axel, oiler (half loop?), double salchow, yeah, that was impossible to save, impossible to jump another triple there in the second jump. Oooh, a single lutz.
Oy Yuzuru Hanyu, I really thought after that first loop, which was finally completely perfect, I thought he would skate a world record, that he’d skate the rest clean, too, because he was already almost clean in Japan where he had only that little stepout I think it was in the loop, that jump he added this season. But it was followed by three small errors in the jumps. A fall at the second triple [???] salchow, well, that was a error [she means big error as opposed to small error]. Then he jumped the triple axel, single, uhm, triple axel, oiler, double salchow, where he had planned a triple salchow, so he leaves some [points] there, too, and then at the end the single lutz instead of the triple, so all things considered, he left some points in the second half of the program. Yeah, and then you don’t skate a world record, no personal best, and you don’t skate the best technical score.
15 points below Nathan Chen. Normally speaking, he should be able to close that gap [make it better, like compensate for the difference], but we’ll have to see how far into the 200 points he scores. Nathan Chen had 84 points for presentation, and the max score Hanyu can score for presentation is 100, that’s only 16 more, and he’s never going to get an average of 10 for everything, so then he isn’t going to win the FS. Yes, and maybe it’ll be close for the entire GPF [tensive?] because there are still two men to go. Well then, a glimmer of hope for the other competitors. We would have really liked to see him skate the perfect FS. He’ll have to save it for Worlds, then.
This is where it went wrong, and after that salchow I think he was so disappointed. That quad toeloop worked out okay, though also not very convincing. First axel was fine, and the second axel was fine, too, but the triple triple combination he couldn’t do after it. Of course the program is more beautiful than Nathan Chen’s, better built, Nathan Chen puts all those difficult jumps, those quads, at the start of the program, and after that he starts to skate a little bit and move, that’s very different with Hanyu. At NHK trophy he scored 197 and a half point, let’s see how far below that mark he gets. 187.37 even, and this is the third score in the FS, but he did havea big lead after the SP, so he will still be in first, but will this be enough for the win? That is still possible, but he has opened the door for Patrick Chan and Javi Fernandez.
(after Chan’s skate)
And so the ranking is completely changed, with Hanyu still the, probably even to himself surprising winner. He didn’t believe in it anymore after his performance, but his lead was large enough, an advantage of twenty points over Shoma Uno, that’s what saved him, but Patrick Chan is not going to manage that.
So only Hanyu and Rippon keep their placement, 1 and 6.
So the winner is Yuzuru Hanyu, wins the title for the fourth time in a row, equaling Yevgeni Plushenko, who also won the GPF four times, but not four times in a row.
Nathan Chen and Shoma Uno steal the show, but a competition is over two events, and in that regard Hanyu was the strongest and ends ahead of Chen and Uno.
[while they’re building the medal ceremony podiums and showing some highlights]
Hanyu does win, but does so with the third score in the FS. It didn’t go smoothly, although it started out wonderfully with that quad loop, and you think, if that works out, the most difficult element in his program, then he’ll go “all the way” (in English), but he didn’t yet. Let’s hope for his sake that he’s saving it for Worlds. He does win, and stays ahead of the young ones Chen and Uno.
//// there will be a recap program of the GPF tomorrow morning with presumably different commentary, but I'm not sure what they will show of Hanyu's programs. Maybe only the SP.
Apparently so, yes. Seems to be a growing trend there, I think. I'd never heard of open gala practice, but wasn't it open at NHK, too? (though there probably because it was on the same morning as the ice dance fd).
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