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Did Kaetlyn Osmond make history?

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I guess I must be a newbie, as a member since 2013, as I have never heard or witnessed such a thing. Like TGee, I lurked then joined, as I could no longer read/watch as some posters were just plain nasty towards Canadian skaters.

Well, I have made only two posts on this board that I was sorry for afterward. Once I said some mean things about Irina Slutskaya (how dare she try to beat Michelle Kwan?!), and once I blew up at Violet Bliss in a discussion of Patrick Chan.

I will back off and just say, Patrick has a lot of very loyal supporters.

By the way, I just went through some of the archived Joannie Rochette threads and was surprised at the number of posters who were later banned, many for excessive and johnny-one-note bashing of skaters.
 
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^^ what is surprising is how some posters still manage to be on this board despite bashing so many Canadian skaters ;)
 
i have used the search feature before.. just did it again to see which threads... apart from her fan fest, Joannie is mentioned but not the centre of a thread, which was my comment about Osmond making history ;) Joannie is often mentioned for having all 5 triples with correct technique and of course she is mentioned in many other skaters' fan fest because she toured with many others. ...

GS has had lots of threads devoted to Joannie. To name just a few of them:

- Joannie Rochette
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?22230-Joannie-Rochette 7 pages (2008)

- Joannie Should have Got the Silver!
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?8085-Joannie-Should-have-Got-the-Silver! (2005)

- In praise of Joannie Rochette
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?31424-In-praise-of-Joannie-Rochette (2010)

- Joannie Rochette
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?12911-Joannie-Rochette (2006)

- Should Joannie Rochette make a comeback?
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?42006-Should-Joannie-Rochette-make-a-comeback (2013)

etc., etc., etc.
 
^^ what is surprising is how some posters still manage to be on this board despite bashing so many Canadian skaters ;)

Thank you 4everchan...I have written to the Moderators about the same, as I am getting a bit tired here of defending my countrymen/women in what I would consider a Canadian friendly Thread and getting, ...well you know, as a result of my defense.
 
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thanks... As someone pointed out the search functions doesn't go as far ... these are way before my time. I am going to go back memory lane ;)
GS has had lots of threads devoted to Joannie. To name just a few of them:

- Joannie Rochette
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?22230-Joannie-Rochette 7 pages (2008)

- Joannie Should have Got the Silver!
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?8085-Joannie-Should-have-Got-the-Silver! (2005)

- In praise of Joannie Rochette
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?31424-In-praise-of-Joannie-Rochette (2010)

- Joannie Rochette
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?12911-Joannie-Rochette (2006)

- Should Joannie Rochette make a comeback?
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?42006-Should-Joannie-Rochette-make-a-comeback (2013)

etc., etc., etc.
 
still Kaetlyn makes history.. her thread is huge compared to these ;) hehe .. fun seeing them though.
 
i suggest some read the 2008, 7 page thread fetched from the archives by Ice coverage...

Some behaviours which are frequent still in 2017 are apparent there... same user... same anti Canadian banter... unbelievable.
 
i suggest some read the 2008, 7 page thread fetched from the archives by Ice coverage...

Some behaviours which are frequent still in 2017 are apparent there... same user... same anti Canadian banter... unbelievable.

Thank you again my friend for identifying that oh so familiar tone.

So, just because someone has longevity on GS, is not a justification for their actions/words. Insert Kaetlyn instead of Joannie, and welcome to 2017. The more things change, the more they remain the same. The problem child continues to reign.
 
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This thread has been hijacked. Please stick to the topic, don't call out posters and dredge up posts from years ago to justify "bashing." Thank you.

As always, reported posts are reviewed and posters as infracted/warned as deem fit privately.
 
Well, I have made only two posts on this board that I was sorry for afterward. Once I said some mean things about Irina Slutskaya (how dare she try to beat Michelle Kwan?!), and once I blew up at Violet Bliss in a discussion of Patrick Chan.

I will back off and just say, Patrick has a lot of very loyal supporters.

By the way, I just went through some of the archived Joannie Rochette threads and was surprised at the number of posters who were later banned, many for excessive and johnny-one-note bashing of skaters.

Mathman I can agree with you. Some of Patrick's fans do tend to annoy others posters but not in the context of disparaging other skaters, but more so because some of them would deny reality that Patrick is just not competitive technically anymore. It gets on my nerves as well and I've probably had several disagreements about it in the past as well.

As for the anti-Canadian sentiment on this board, I personally attribute it just to one poster who literally follows any Canadian thread and mostly posts in response to Canadians praising Canadians. The sentiment I get is that we are not allowed to be happy for our successes.

Mods is there really any point in keeping this thread open? Discussion about Kaetlyn can go to her fanfest or the State of Canadian thread and I feel like it is turning negative.
 
This thread has been hijacked. Please stick to the topic, don't call out posters and dredge up posts from years ago to justify "bashing." Thank you.

As always, reported posts are reviewed and posters as infracted/warned as deem fit privately.
Please, go over to the state of Canadian figure skating and read the unnecessary comments from this individual. THen you'll realize how it shouldn't be allowed. He continuously puts Canadian skaters down over and over again.
 
I think the controversy over Patrick is very similar to that of Adelina: their detractors expect them to be apologetic for their controversial winning performances. If you are someone who values going clean over skating well, you are never going to like Patrick winning unless he skates flawlessly. Much like Adelina, Patrick tailors his programs to make the most of point-earning opportunities in between all of the technical elements. There were times when I didn't like him winning with multiple falls against clean performances, but objectively he deserves the points that he earns.
 
What, exactly, is the definition of "bashing"? I would consider the phrase "Russian robots" as bashing because it is a putdown of an entire federation of lady skaters.
Pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of a skater is not bashing, because all skaters have strengths and weaknesses.

Apparently, when there is a thread relating to Canadian skaters, only comments about strengths are tolerated, even though the thread is not a Fan Fest thread.
 
What, exactly, is the definition of "bashing"? I would consider the phrase "Russian robots" as bashing because it is a putdown of an entire federation of lady skaters.
Pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of a skater is not bashing, because all skaters have strengths and weaknesses.

Apparently, when there is a thread relating to Canadian skaters, only comments about strengths are tolerated, even though the thread is not a Fan Fest thread.

But the comments about weaknesses are virtually never constructive if they're even about so-called weaknesses to begin with. Instead they usually boil down to insults or happiness that a Canadian skater or team faltered or disbelief that a Canadian skater or team did well. Every time I go to read a thread that is about Canadians or a competition thread where they were contenders I have to grit my teeth or take a deep breath because there's usually nothing positive to read. I'm not saying others don't receive it as well: they do. The hate that Evgenia and Adelina receive and people calling the Russian ladies robots are comments that are completely uncalled for. However, it's consistently vicious when it come to Patrick, Meagan and Eric and Kaetlyn and it seems to boil down to the fact that they're Canadian.
 
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What, exactly, is the definition of "bashing"? I would consider the phrase "Russian robots" as bashing because it is a putdown of an entire federation of lady skaters.
Pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of a skater is not bashing, because all skaters have strengths and weaknesses.

Apparently, when there is a thread relating to Canadian skaters, only comments about strengths are tolerated, even though the thread is not a Fan Fest thread.

Chuckm, I have been here for 4 years and will openly declared my biases for all things Kaetlyn, which is self explanatory as in my 'handle'. As a result, I rarely defame other elite women in the field. Contrast this with your criticisms of individual skaters which are daily, and we are very different Posters. Your comments generally are not to provide constructed feedback, and serve only to be critical or to demean the skater, usually Canadian. There is a difference.

You rarely have anything positive to say relating to anything Canadian, criticizing our skaters, our Federation, our judges both international and domestic, our GP and national events, and even the audiences, vowing never to attend an event in Canada. Despite this, we appear to dominate much of your time on GS, as demonstrated by your constant contributions to a Thread such as this...why?

For the record, Rule #17 on GS states:
"Excessive "bashing" of skaters
Everyone has their favorite and not-so-favorite skaters. Please be constructive with criticism. Persistent, repetitive, unrelenting and pugnacious denunciation of skaters is not welcome"

Again, we are very different Posters. My use of the term 'Russian Robots' last week, was a metaphor to describe the current trend of young Russian phenoms, who have much technical potential but seem to be missing other things, like skating qualities. Unlike a skater such as Kaetlyn Osmond or even Ashley Wagner (when on), who seamlessly combine both the Technical and Presentation sides into programs. Kaetlyn in particular skates with speed and actually looks at the judges/audiences and begs them to look back at her. The young Russian ladies do not possess the same quality at this moment, and in general look down at the ice and are constantly thinking "robotically" about their next element. It's a difference in skating skills and my observation of course, but I rarely criticize individual skaters, given my declared biases.
 
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Chuckm was the first poster I put on ignore. He was joined by a couple of others whose names I can't remember. At the beginning of this year, I decided to give everyone another chance, so I took everyone off ignore. Guess who went back on? I highly recommend it.

If you put someone on ignore, you can still click on any of their comments to read it, but it's your choice, and if you choose to read you can brace yourself first.

Putting a poster on ignore doesn't hide any part of posts that quote that poster, but usually I just skim the quotes, and even if I read them, they're not so hard to take if someone has already replied.
 
My problem is that you think that reputation judging a sport is a good thing.

Yes, human beings are as they are, but I find it boggling to defend a system that encourages it.....because that leaves us open to the kind of corruption at Salt Lake City and devastating embarrassments for the sport. The whole point is to get the most unbiased judging as humanly possible, while accepting that "what is good/excellent" is an international concensus.

I disagree that the Oscars or Academic prizes are comparable. Both are awards by professional associations that measure in part how large an impact the particular film or research has had. So encouraging members of the association to get to know the material and discuss its value is part of the whole point.

Lastly, the difference between skaters might be more noticeable if IJS valued things differently. I will never critique the Eteri skaters for maximizing what they can get under the current SoV and bullet points. I do nonetheless critique things that I see regularly that I do not want encouraged. I think that it's perfectly fair to say this isn't the way I want skating to progress, and this isn't the model I want the young skaters in our family to follow. These things include travelling spins or spins where the vertical leg is not 90 degrees from the ice, pre-rotation, murky edges on take offs, mini jumps, pumping arms to get take-off, lack of speed etc.

Different people value different things. A group of people value A, B, C. Another group value D, E, F. They each try to convince others that things they value are superior. So the compromise is that all of A, B, C, D, E and F are equally rewarded. But one group will still lobby to change the rules to favor A, B, C not D,E,F and the other group lobby to change the rules to favor D, E, F, not A, B, C. I feel fans in this forum act this way too. Many fans just keep arguing that A, B, C is better than D, E, F because they only value A,B,C and other fans keep arguing that D,E,F are better than A, B, C because they only value D,E,F. If there is a skater who can do all of A, B, C, D, E, F well, you won't even need to argue for that skater. It's precisely because most skaters can only do well in some aspects, not in every aspect, so fans argue all the time and repeat over and over again that things they value don't get more credit than the things they don't value. (If you want to win convincingly, be the best in everything, and execute the most difficult layout, then nobody will question your victory.)


Some people only think jumping big is valuable and small jumps are unacceptable. But many people with skating experience said doing jumps after steps make jumps exponentially more difficult. Some people just can't accept that there are other features that make jumps more risky or equally risky other than jumping big. But that doesn't mean the other qualities/features are less valuable to other people. The fact that tanos/rippons, preceding steps, delayed rotations are rewarded means there is a significant number of people in the skating community that appreciate these qualities and features.


I think lobbying in oscar and noble prize is the same as in figure skating. They are lobbying to try to convince the professional members that their movie/research are better than others, so they can win, i.e. their A, B, C are superior. They are not doing it for the goods of the society.

Reputation judging based on consistency means the skaters needs to be consistent and work hard to earn the reputation. Some reputation judging is only based on the name of certain skaters and they get the reputation inflation without showing consistency. That's different.

I think I've said enough in this thread.
 
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I think that this tread has run its ignoble course. On to higher ground.

For the record, Rule #17 on GS states:

"Excessive "bashing" of skaters.

Everyone has their favorite and not-so-favorite skaters. Please be constructive with criticism. Persistent, repetitive, unrelenting and pugnacious denunciation of skaters is not welcome"

This.
 
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