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Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

John King said:
To coin a phrase: YOWZA!
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As I said the previous time I saw the first photo, you can't blame the official.

But as for Andrei. He doesn't need to be caught like this. He gets to see them whenever he likes! :jealous:

CaroLiza_fan
 
CaroLiza_fan said:
As far as I can tell, yes Liza is ethnic Udmurt.
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Lana05 said:
Alina Zagitova is tatar.
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They are both from Udmurtia but unlike Zagitova's case, who is confirmed to be part Tatar, it is unclear whether Tuktamysheva is part Udmurt or Tatar. Either way, it doesn't really matter. These are small, niche, sub-ethnicities. They both from the same Mongol genotype, so you could say that these two might have a bit of Ghengis Khan in them (as might I since I'm 1/8 Tatar :)).

By the way, the last name - Tuktamysheva is directly derived from the Golden Horde Khan Tokhtamysh, who raided, pillaged, and burned down Moscow back in the 1380's. Read about it!
 
Tyranid said:
They are both from Udmurtia but unlike Zagitova's case, who is confirmed to be part Tatar, it is unclear whether Tuktamysheva is part Udmurt or Tatar. Either way, it doesn't really matter. These are small, niche, sub-ethnicities. They both from the same Mongol genotype, so you could say that these two might have a bit of Ghengis Khan in them (as might I since I'm 1/8 Tatar :)).
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Ah! Didn't realise the Udmurts and Tatars were related. I did know the Tatars were descended from the Mongols, but didn't know that the Udmurts were too. I thought the Udmurts had their origins in Europe, because their language is in the same family as Finnish and Hungarian.

So, thank you so much for enlightening us. :bow: :clap: :points:

Tyranid said:
By the way, the last name - Tuktamysheva is directly derived from the Golden Horde Khan Tokhtamysh, who raided, pillaged, and burned down Moscow back in the 1380's. Read about it!
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Cool! I often wondered about the origins of Liza's surname.

Xena - watch out! We've got our own Warrior Princess! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

CaroLiza_fan
 
CaroLiza_fan said:
Ah! Didn't realise the Udmurts and Tatars were related. I did know the Tatars were descended from the Mongols, but didn't know that the Udmurts were too. I thought the Udmurts had their origins in Europe, because their language is in the same family as Finnish and Hungarian.

So, thank you so much for enlightening us. :bow: :clap: :points:



Cool! I often wondered about the origins of Liza's surname.

Xena - watch out! We've got our own Warrior Princess! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

CaroLiza_fan
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No ... what he suggested is wrong. They (Udmurts) have nothing common with Mongols bar occasional Mongoloid influenced appearance coming from their history of mixing with Siberian and other people. They have origins in Europe just like Udmurtia is in European part of Russia. Udmurts though were though culturally influenced by Tatars which ethnogenesis was started by Mongol tribes. As for their language it's Finno-Ugric but not intelligible with Finnish or Hungarian, they're not genetically close either.
 
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Ares said:
No ... what he suggested is wrong. They (Udmurts) have nothing common with Mongols bar occasional Mongoloid influenced appearance coming from their history of mixing with Siberian and other people. They have origins in Europe just like Udmurtia is in European part of Russia. Udmurts though were though culturally influenced by Tatars which ethnogenesis was started by Mongol tribes.
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Right. So I've been led down the garden path. The Udmurts are not descended from the Mongols after all.

Oh well!

The problem now is that I had got really attached to the idea of Liza being our "warrior princess"! Can I at least continue referring to her like that, even if she isn't...? ;) :biggrin:

Hey, it's better than "BatLiza" anyway! :rolleye:

Ares said:
As for their language it's Finno-Ugric but not intelligible with Finnish or Hungarian, they're not genetically close either.
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I remember the last time I brought up the language thing, and plushyfan (who is, of course, Hungarian) replied that she cannot understand either Finnish or Udmurt.

But, I see you realise what I meant, Ares.

CaroLiza_fan
 
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CaroLiza_fan said:
I remember the last time I brought up the language thing, and plushyfan (who is, of course, Hungarian) replied that she cannot understand either Finnish or Udmurt.
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Right. I don't understand those languages at all. The slavs understand all slavs languages. The Hunagrian language is in ugric part but the udmurt and the finnish are in finno part. Plus many linguists criticized the theory, they argue that there is little evidence that the Hungarian language belongs to the Finno-Ugric language family.
 
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Here is a video https://topspb.tv/news/news95400/ (St. Peterburg TV) with an interview with Liza. There are bits of her SP she's working on, her work with Mishin. Mishin is fun to watch. The interview is also written down. So you can use google translate.

Liza with no make-up :love: and Mishin in arabesk-near pose :)

I just realised, it's no news. It's a year old. I won't delete it. It's too nice. Just rewatch.
 
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Latvian said:
She looks very young - http://wuni2017.sportresult.com/fis...pantInfo/84420f75-3eef-4662-8308-20d016fcc590
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I've definitely seen that photo before.

I'm not sure, but it might be the photo that was used on her profile on the website for the 2012 Youth Olympics. And that would explain why she looks very young.

EDIT: No. I think it was the photo used on her profile on sochi2014.ru. If I remember correctly, she was one of the ones that already had a profile on the site before the Olympics team was announced. But then she was not included in the team due to not doing as well as expected at Nationals. (I'm nearly sure Yuko Kavaguti had one as well, despite Alexander Smirnov being out injured)

And that would tie in, because the photos on the 2014 Olympic profiles made everybody look different!​

CaroLiza_fan
 
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Liza's SP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG68mpiBjEk

Note: She's wearing her old Peer Gynt red-and-black dress.:) So at least That One (ETA: I mean the ugly Carmina dress) is gone - but no doubt we will have the batwing tomorrow.;)

I did thnk she looked very relaxed and in good spirits in her photos:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP7-y2LF7JW/?taken-by=liza_tuktik

I hope she can keep this state of mind up for tomorrow's free skate, as when she doesn't put undue pressure on herself she tends to skate well. Go, Liza! :)
 
Rewatching the short program, I actually found myself wondering if this might not be the best Carmina from a performance perspective that she's ever done? Thoughts?
 
I forgot about the horror movie sound effects :love:

Pretty solid skate there and it really looks like a fun event to be involved with. I bet she's having a great time in Almaty. Good luck in the FS Liza!!
 
LRK said:
Rewatching the short program, I actually found myself wondering if this might not be the best Carmina from a performance perspective that she's ever done? Thoughts?
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I agree, she looked very concentrated but it's always a pleasure when she hits her combo and her lutz. I liked the other SP better and I think she'll probably be a little more relaxed in the FS.
 
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