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I was thinking of runners when I think of stress fractures, you have to be super careful not to aggravate the injury, but I think they are manageable.

I think a lot of it is mental too. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you allow the injury to creep in your brain. So this approach Jason is taking is a good one.

Fwiw, he was diagnosed in Dec, but the injury likely was there at NHK in late Nov. so perhaps he is close to brain for healed at this point.

Oh, I think you might be right, I sure hope so!:). I forgot to take into account that stress fractures usually can't be detected on X-rays until at least a week or more after onset. Therefore, it's very possible that he already had the injury at NHK but wasn't diagnosed until mid Dec. So, going by his clarification that 80% meant strength in his leg muscles, it sounds like his injury is basically healed and he's just working to regain the strength that he lost while healing (as always happens). Since he's already in great shape as an elite athlete, and did lots of off ice workouts while rehabbing, he should be able to regain his normal strength very quickly.
 
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"Dornbush pondering the future" is one of the topics in Sarah Brannen's Jan 16 round-up of stories for The Inside Edge.

Worth reading the whole part about Richard :luv17:, but here are some of his comments about the possibility of competing again:

Dornbush is in his last quarter of college at the University of California, San Diego.
"I'll be done in March. I'm really excited," he said.
And what comes next? ...
"That's a hard question," he said. "I'm lucky enough that I have a lot of doors open to me right now. I could skate professionally for a while, I could come back and compete next year, I could get a job. I'm not going to school next year, but I do want to go to graduate school." ...
Dornbush performed in several shows this winter, and he enjoyed getting out in front of audiences again. 
"Last year when I was fully involved with school, I was leaning towards not competing again," he said. "But, being in the performance arena and focusing on how well you can entertain the audience has made me appreciate skating again. I'm leaning a little bit more towards coming back. There are a lot of things I have to work out."


http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2017/01/16/213650352/the-inside-edge-fenway-park-a-skaters-haven

Best to Richard :ghug:, no matter what he decides to do.
 
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I don't know if this sounds simplistic or harsh, but I feel if we don't earn the spots we don't deserve them. Or, to put it differently, other countries' good showings would demonstrate they need the spots more. Of course, if our men are injured, the assessment won't be completely accurate, but there's really no way around that.

Don't be a downer. Be confident:) Nathan will be in the top 5 and Jason will be in top 8 so three men is looking good. Remember, Chan is falling down the ladder, the Russian men are wildly inconsistent.
 
So, with the return of Josh Farris to competition next season, the announcement that Adam has recovered sufficiently to join the Stars on Ice cast (first show 4/13/3017), and 4CCs - with Nathan, Jason and Grant - coming up in less than a week, I thought now might be a good time to revive this thread!

First, I have to say I am so happy to hear not only that Josh is fully healed, but that he's returning to competitive skating for the sheer love of it. There's no one exactly like him out there, and I can't wait to see him!

Adam talked about using his recovery period to make some fundamental technical changes. Has he had time to accomplish that? Not sure, but I'm really pleased for him that he was able to recover so quickly! Wondering if he will keep his birds FS next year or go another direction.

Max has no competitions for the rest of the season (that we know of), but I have to say again that I love the concept of his bullfighter program (and that blue in his costume is gorgeous on him)! Yeah he had a tough time at Nats but I do think this program plays to his strengths and I'm looking forward to seeing it come together next season! I also really loved Alex Johnson at Nats and am impressed that he was able to attend school full time and still put out performances like those. Was similarly impressed by Jordan Moeller - so, so glad to see how far he's come since the leg injury and happy he's been assigned to a spring comp! And I'm looking forward to seeing Vincent at Bavarian Open - he'll undoubtedly have no trouble attaining the tech minimums for Worlds, but I am curious as to whether he'll finally be able to land a fully rotated quad in international competition after doing so at Nats.

As for our guys at 4CCs - I'm really curious as to what we'll see. Since Grant isn't currently slated for Worlds, I'm sure he'll just go all out - and I'm wondering if that will include multiple quads, and if so, how successful they will be. For Nathan and Jason, it's a different story. As fierce a competitor as Nathan is - and as young as he is - I'm wondering if he will go for broke here and try to win or if Raf will convince him to pull back a little (maybe a 4 quad FS?) so he can peak at Worlds. I have a similar question with Jason - will he try quads here or just go for a clean and beautiful quadless program like we saw at Glacier Falls last summer? I can see the argument both ways, so interested to see where he's at and which way they go.

Finally, with Josh's return, one of the things I was thinking about was whether post-Olympics we will see another shift in scoring that will equalize the balance between TES and PCS a bit more. In the past couple of seasons, judges have shown that they are willing to reward skaters like Josh, Jason and Adam (and others like Patrick, internationally) for what they do well, but as we've seen, the rapid increase in tech content has made it hard for these guys to be medal contenders, even as they work to increase their tech. There are many who will argue that skaters like Hanyu, Fernandez, Shoma and even Nathan already have better skating skills than - and performance skills at least as good as - Josh, Jason's and Adam's, so the latter three are no longer relevant. I personally disagree with some (not all) of those opinions, but my intent isn't to put high-TES skaters down. I simply hope that just as Hanyu, Boyang, Shoma and Nathan have pushed the technical envelope this past year, the competition between Josh and Jason in particular will push the envelope next year in terms of beautiful skating and compelling performances, and that the ISU will ultimately see value in that and make it easier for a more diverse group of skaters to medal. I recognize that competitive figure skating is a sport, but in my mind, it comprises many skills - not just jumping - and I hope that will eventually be recognized.
 
I have a similar question with Jason - will he try quads here or just go for a clean and beautiful quadless program like we saw at Glacier Falls last summer? I can see the argument both ways, so interested to see where he's at and which way they go.

Haven't seen his Glacier Falls competition skate. Can that compete at 4CC you mean? I thought his plan was to have the quad this autumn? What I remember he got one ratified not falling? I think he must nail at least one at 4CC for further confidence.

Anyways US men rock. Enjoy all, though I have my favorites.
 
Haven't seen his Glacier Falls competition skate. Can that compete at 4CC you mean? I thought his plan was to have the quad this autumn? What I remember he got one ratified not falling? I think he must nail at least one at 4CC for further confidence.

Anyways US men rock. Enjoy all, though I have my favorites.

Jason fell on quad attempts deemed fully-rotated and he landed one that was deemed underrotated, he's yet to get one that is both fully rotated and landed. He was making good progress on the quad in the autumn as his Skate America skate showed, but the stress fracture clearly put a huge wrench in his progress.

I think there is little to lose at 4CC so I wouldn't be surprised if it is a day-by-day decision making process like they did at Nationals. I'm going to say that he's going to attempt it.
 
Haven't seen his Glacier Falls competition skate. Can that compete at 4CC you mean? I thought his plan was to have the quad this autumn? What I remember he got one ratified not falling? I think he must nail at least one at 4CC for further confidence.

Anyways US men rock. Enjoy all, though I have my favorites.

I think it's key for him to show that height and power have returned to his jumps, his landings are stable, and that he's getting a fully-rotated 3A in second half. If he's got all that back already, I'm guessing he'll probably go for the quad at 4CC.
 
It's still a joke that that 4T at SkAm was called UR when Rippon's was called clean. Grrr, inconsistent panels.
 
It's still a joke that that 4T at SkAm was called UR when Rippon's was called clean. Grrr, inconsistent panels.

I agree about inconsistency. It's too bad they didn't give it to him, but it is what is. I'm sure one will get ratified soon!
 
It's still a joke that that 4T at SkAm was called UR when Rippon's was called clean. Grrr, inconsistent panels.

You're in a good place to be happy about consistency, since you consistently create opportunities to criticize Adam Rippon, often quite rudely.

Your evaluations of URs, etc. have to be taken with a great big grain of salt. In the NHK SP thread, your pbp called Jason's downgraded jump a UR, while you called a UR on Nathan Chen that didn't exist. It's clear that your calls are subordinate to your personal bias. I don't accept your complaints or your constantly wrong assessments of Adam's jumps.
 
You're in a good place to be happy about consistency, since you consistently create opportunities to criticize Adam Rippon, often quite rudely.

Your evaluations of URs, etc. have to be taken with a great big grain of salt. In the NHK SP thread, your pbp called Jason's downgraded jump a UR, while you called a UR on Nathan Chen that didn't exist. It's clear that your calls are subordinate to your personal bias. I don't accept your complaints or your constantly wrong assessments of Adam's jumps.

Oh please. I accepted correction on Chen's 4F at NHK. I had been unsure about the snow on the landing. You'll notice I also initially called Hanyu's first 4Lo < but was happy to be corrected by slo mo.

My constantly wrong assessments of Rippon's jumps? Yeah, because I was the only one wondering why the flip his combo at Nats last year was called clean, or the only one questioning his rotation calls. When you make an art form out of starting programs with planned << falls, you leave yourself open to that kind of scrutiny.

I've called << and URs and ! and e on plenty of my favourite skaters before but you'll gloss over that, of course.
 
You're in a good place to be happy about consistency, since you consistently create opportunities to criticize Adam Rippon, often quite rudely.

Your evaluations of URs, etc. have to be taken with a great big grain of salt. In the NHK SP thread, your pbp called Jason's downgraded jump a UR, while you called a UR on Nathan Chen that didn't exist. It's clear that your calls are subordinate to your personal bias. I don't accept your complaints or your constantly wrong assessments of Adam's jumps.

To be fair, a lot of people (including commentators) thought Adam's quad in the FS and Jason's in the SP were < and that Jason's in FS should have been ratified. I'm not good enough to tell myself.
 
Oh please. I accepted correction on Chen's 4F at NHK. I had been unsure about the snow on the landing. You'll notice I also initially called Hanyu's first 4Lo < but was happy to be corrected by slo mo.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. I'm pretty sure I didn't follow the entire thread at that comp.
 
At the Bavarian Open today Vincent Zhou earned his TES minimums and officially joined the 4Lz club.
http://eiskunstlauf.bev-eissport.de/BO2017/index.htm

I'm happy that he landed it. But he let his other quads go in the process. He under rotated his 4S<, popped the other and attempted a last one a the end and fell. His score was only two points higher than Jason at 4CC. I hope he works on that before JW.
 
Yes, Vincent who is just turned 16, but competing as a 15 year old, has a few thing to work on. But I can see progress in his skating not only from year to year, but overall throughout the year as well. That is not the case with Jason. Jason is very pretty to watch, has nice spins, but we have been listening to him and his coach saying new things are coming for years. Injuries have occurred, yes. But the triple axel is still not yet solid, no quads, and the lutz is becoming hit and miss. I am thinking US would be ahead with a 10th to 12th place from Vincent at worlds than continuing to keep promoting Jason who skates pretty and has a nice personality. Just think as an investment for the team and skaters, that is the better move.
 
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