Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Maria Victoria]

Now my bold statement is that HE WILL WIN 4CC! (Or at least he will win LP).

(Stunned at first, but recovered) Great! Let us cheer Yuzuru on then and send him good vibes in the free.

 

[nekun]

or..16-17 just not his season

Yuzu's senior career
10-11 he didn't won anything, bad season(but he was a kiddo so I can understand)
11-12 first ever won his GP series, make it to GPF, won bronze in WC, good season
12-13 2nd in GPF, won Nats but hated by Takahasi's fans, placed #4 in WC, bad season
13-14 won GPF, NATS, OLY, WC, very good season
14-15 oh boy I can't say bout his GP series even he won GPF, lost to Javi in WC, bad season
15-16 altho he lost in WC, I call it good season coz his broke the world record, it's a big deal in Figure Skating history
16-17 he won GPF but WD from nats..the rest is still in the air

 

[Yatagarasu]

Aaaand... that first part is exactly what I meant. There was an issue with the 4S (LP exclusive) that is now worse or blown out of proportions (and affecting SP/practices) because of 'OMG, the combo of doom'. Of course he could take the 'easy' route and do the combo on the first 4S, I'd personally prefer that too. But what we want doesn't matter compared to what he wants, and if he wants that d*mn 2nd half combo than he should go for it. Even if he just wants it for the lolz. And the constant complains about that combo and what he should do and what would be so much smarter and so on are really starting to get old. Especially because you're doing exactly the same thing you think he's doing wrong - being stubbornly stuck on repeating the same thing (='he needs to chance it, combo of doooooom') instead of taking the easier route (and accepting he will likely go for it and might not land it)

Edit: because I just realized it... 'he messed up the H&L combo 4 or 5 times'? Yes, 4 times. But seriously, you would have expected him to nail it at Autumn Classic or SC? After his bad injury and late season start and the fact he always messes up at his first competitions? Come on, that is way off any reasonable expectations. The 2 instances I think 'make sense to complain' about at all are NHK & GPF - which is only twice. Within a what, 2 weeks time span? I'm still not getting where the drama about that combo came from prior to 4CC. Wanna count how many 4T3T he messed up before he landed it first? Quad combos are hard, okay?

I had no expectations, for anything, during the AC. But since the AC he has evolved quite a bit. The combination itself is something he lands, so by now, months later, the rest is resolved, he seems to literally have no other issues (which is incredible on many levels really) and there's one single thing that's repeating, which is the 4S-3T combination.
We talked about patterns two days ago, that's a pattern. During AC there was no way to tell what was the season start and what is potentially a bigger problem but now there is and looking back there it is so that's why I counted it, it was just math. I am aware quad combos are difficult but there's also flexibility in approaching things and adjustments and I'd say talking about it is slightly different but YMMV.

And I don't know. I think this place should be for everyone. Even those who don't like the damn 4S-3T combination and want to complain about it, those who still think he'll mess up, and those comparing him to Kpop stars, and those talking about music, and purple pants of sin and how hot he is, and those who coo over him, and even those who fall into a dark pit of doom and gloom and think this is the end for his Olympics and then switch to he will win the 4CC in day. The conversation cycles and there's something for everyone. Many things 'get old' to those who aren't into that but ultimately it's all fans in one place who care about him and it comes from that

 

[Yatagarasu]

Okay I am kind of bipolar. After my acceptance that there is something about can not change. As a fan I just have to live with it. Now my bold statement is that HE WILL WIN 4CC! (Or at least he will win LP).

Cause he messed the SP so his LP will be somewhat okay. With his condition I truly believe he will do at least one program okay and this time it will be the LP. I just have this feeling. :roll9:

Meoima the Yo Yo. Good! You can be our prophet for this competition :agree2:

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I had no expectations, for anything, during the AC. But since the AC he has evolved quite a bit. The combination itself is something he lands, so by now, months later, the rest is resolved, he seems to literally have no other issues (which is incredible on many levels really) and there's one single thing that's repeating, which is the 4S-3T combination.
We talked about patterns two days ago, that's a pattern. During AC there was no way to tell what was the season start and what is potentially a bigger problem but now there is and looking back there it is so that's why I counted it, it was just math. I am aware quad combos are difficult but there's also flexibility in approaching things and adjustments and I'd say talking about it is slightly different but YMMV.

Yes he was better at SC than at AC, but if you look at his normal season pattern, SC was still far, far from top shape. Which again leaves us with 2 competitions, and 2 competitions don't make a pattern.
Talking about it is of course fine. But that's a whole lot different from just repeating the same negative armchair know-it-all judging again and again.

And I don't know. I think this place should be for everyone. Even those who don't like the damn 4S-3T combination and want to complain about it, those who still think he'll mess up, and those comparing him to Kpop stars, and those talking about music, and purple pants of sin and how hot he is, and those who coo over him, and even those who fall into a dark pit of doom and gloom and think this is the end for his Olympics and then switch to he will win the 4CC in day. The conversation cycles and there's something for everyone. Many things 'get old' to those who aren't into that but ultimately it's all fans in one place who care about him and it comes from that

That sounds pretty, but then this is also a place for fans who call him "Yuri" or seriously know no boundaries regarding his privacy? If you're okay with that, fine, I'm not.
In a reasonable manner, you can say what you don't like and criticize and complain, but there's a time when it becomes not okay for me. This thread should at least sound like a fan fest and not contain more negativity towards Yuzu than the damn competition thread. Maybe I was the only person who had a good day yesterday and was still fine after his skate but then this thread seriously brought me down and made me sad. But that's what it was for me. If that's what this thread is for, it's very much not for me (I'm starting to wonder why I posted again ).

 

[Yatagarasu]

That sounds pretty, but then this is also a place for fans who call him "Yuri" or seriously know no boundaries regarding his privacy? If you're okay with that, fine, I'm not.
In a reasonable manner, you can say what you don't like and criticize and complain, but there's a time when it becomes not okay for me. This thread should at least sound like a fan fest and not contain more negativity towards Yuzu than the damn competition thread. Maybe I was the only person who had a good day yesterday and was still fine after his skate but then this thread seriously brought me down and made me sad. But that's what it was for me. If that's what this thread is for, it's very much not for me (I'm starting to wonder why I posted again ).

Of course I'm not, and if I missed someone like that posting here, I apologize but it moves so fast, I may have not seen it. Of course there must be boundaries when it comes to his personal life and character, but to me it seemed (again if I missed it here, I'm sorry) that lately, for the most part, since a couple of extremes went poof, people here have been trucking along just fine within those boundaries; I was describing what we have here right now. It goes up and down, especially during competitions, but it goes.

I think it's good to have a conversation though? We can all self-police a little, to make room for 'everyone'. I'll tone down the combo talk if that's it, but IMO people should still come here and be sad/frustrated about stuff like yesterday (because the edge threads are often malicious in intent but I don't think here) and people can also be 'happy' about stuff like yesterday (as you said, perspectives differ), and so on. It will bump against each other sometimes but it still leaves a place for 'all' of us and we can all take a break of a day if it's really not our cup of tea.

I actually thought we have been self-policing pretty well lately, overall. But then maybe my threshold is too high so that was a wrong impression and I apologize.

 

[cherryncy]

Of course I'm not, and if I missed someone like that posting here, I apologize but it moves so fast, I may have not seen it. Of course there must be boundaries when it comes to his personal life and character, but to me it seemed (again if I missed it here, I'm sorry) that lately, for the most part, since a couple of extremes went poof, people here have been trucking along just fine within those boundaries; I was describing what we have here right now. It goes up and down, especially during competitions, but it goes.

I think it's good to have a conversation though? We can all self-police a little, to make room for 'everyone'. I'll tone down the combo talk if that's it, but IMO people should still come here and be sad/frustrated about stuff like yesterday (because the edge threads are often malicious in intent but I don't think here) and people can also be 'happy' about stuff like yesterday (as you said, perspectives differ), and so on. It will bump against each other sometimes but it still leaves a place for 'all' of us and we can all take a break of a day if it's really not our cup of tea.

I actually thought we have been self-policing pretty well lately, overall. But then maybe my threshold is too high so that was a wrong impression and I apologize.

I second that. I don't see why this thread has to be always optimistic (of course it's our personal choice). As long as we keep everything civilised and respectful (towards Yuzu and other users), I do not see why we should not rant about our upset/disappointment or any random topics related to Yuzu (best place to express imo). It's okay to disagree with each other but as Yatagarasu said, this should be a space for all Yuzu fans, not just fans of a particular personality/interest/perspective.

The reasons why I enjoy Golden Skate way more than tumblr, twitter, or other fanpages are the diversity of users and the debates we have here (with no hard feelings). Otherwise, I can always visit fanpagea of Yuzuru to get all the updates and information if I want to.

Before I joined GS, I only intended to lurk around as I am not that fluent in English and knowledgable in FS anyways. A big thank you to all the contributors here for making me wanting to join in you guys :luv17:

EDIT: woah I didn't know we are already at 3600

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Okay, I should give this up... I never meant to say that everything always has to be optimistic or positive, but there is a long, long distance between that and being uselessly, overly negative. Repetitively at that. And more than that, about some people acting as if Yuzu would owe it to them to skate clean/well/not make mistakes, which he does not. I do find that disrespectful against him as a person. There is a certain range in which it is reasonable, and then at some point, it's not.
I'm sorry for being so blunt, but I'm sure I'm not the only person who was so put off yesterday that they really wanted to leave this thread. Seriously, I went to the competition thread to calm down from that. So how is that a place for everyone then? But also as I said, it's not for me then, which is fine. It's no use to continuing this discussion.

 

[alia jackson]

The free skate is in 12hours.

Let's cheer and send positive energy to Yuzu

Gambatte Yuzu

 

[teeannroo]

I'll be asleep when the LP happens so I'll wake up and see whether the thread is celebrating or not... (ahhh so nervous)

 

[Elaine666]

Page 3600once again I so underestimated our speed. Negative or not, nobody will post here if he/she does not care for Yuzu. All the statements, disagreements and arguments come with one fact that we love this skater so deeply but I do realize people choose different ways to express their concerns: someone might easily jump down to the darkest hole while the other could be more calmed and stay positive. Wording could have been better though. How can we not hug each other? We have shared so much joy and tear together And I apologize for not being active enough as I am totally optimistic, like no doubt at all. No matter he skates well or not tomorrow, it won't change my mind in any ways. Yuzu as a skater has achieved much more than I wished; the only thing I can do is appreciating, as always.

 

[Bonnie]

Yuzuru has never used negative words, because he believes power of words.
He said he didn't have any confidence in this season, so he used to say "dekiru = I can do it" for himself before competition.
He is a human, he is upset, disappointed, worried and doubt himself, but he struggles to escape from negative emotions by positive words.

So, let's be positive, and he gets positive power from fans. Ganbare, believe yourself, Yuzuru!

 

[Yatagarasu]

I'm sorry for being so blunt, but I'm sure I'm not the only person who was so put off yesterday that they really wanted to leave this thread. Seriously, I went to the competition thread to calm down from that. So how is that a place for everyone then? But also as I said, it's not for me then, which is fine. It's no use to continuing this discussion.

You should be blunt, I think most of us are adults here. There has to be a way to make everyone co-exist, nobody should feel like they have to leave this place permanently and days like yesterday are always going to be chancy.
If the answer is we self-police more during those days when emotions are running high, then so be it. If it's particularly bad in the competition threads, point it out and ask for a break.
Pointing out to people how what they say is too much should be done. Pointing out what is upsetting should be fine but putting up with somewhat of a release valve on (quite short) occasions because we'll all blow sooner or later should also be fine and having room for a bit of a mope is also needed.

I think if there's no malicious intent, we should be able to agree overall and back off sometimes or allow leeway. But we can only know if we talk to each other because we really do have different reactions/thresholds. It won't be perfection all the time, but most of the time, it should be good. Too optimistic?

 

[turquoiseblue]

No matter he skates well or not tomorrow, it won't change my mind in any ways. Yuzu as a skater has achieved much more than I wished; the only thing I can do is appreciating, as always.

Well said!

 

[Yuaz]

Hello! I'm new yuzuru 's fan here.. ^^ I knew nothing about figure skating. I just found out about yuzu last year in Oct.. Don't know why my feeds in YouTube recommend me his video XD lol. But I'm not complaining, I like him! My first vid of him was PW in sochi! He was so awesome, and instantly I'm a fan lol.

Now I'm following his schedule, I know he was competing at 4CC yesterday, and I read the threads here, mostly you're up set or angry about his performance yesterday, and that time I'm not yet watching the vid of his SP (I was a bit worried..is that really bad?) But after watching I was fine with it, still enjoy it.. Even tough it wasn't his best and I know he can deliver more than that.. So, I'm still excited to see his FS tomorrow! ^_^ for now H&L was my fa! I just loveeed it so much, the music and the choreography.. The way his skating.. I could cry.. Even tough it's still not perfect, but I hope someday he will deliver that program clean ! (Amen)

Can't wait for his FS tomorrow! Yeaaay go yuzuuu. ♡♡♡

Ah..And sorry for my broken English.. XD

 

[alia jackson]

Hello! I'm new yuzuru 's fan here.. ^^

Welcome

 

[teeannroo]

You should be blunt, I think most of us are adults here. There has to be a way to make everyone co-exist, nobody should feel like they have to leave this place permanently and days like yesterday are always going to be chancy.

hehe...he :scard8:

 

[aynia]

Okay, I should give this up... I never meant to say that everything always has to be optimistic or positive, but there is a long, long distance between that and being uselessly, overly negative. Repetitively at that. And more than that, about some people acting as if Yuzu would owe it to them to skate clean/well/not make mistakes, which he does not. I do find that disrespectful against him as a person. There is a certain range in which it is reasonable, and then at some point, it's not.

After seeing the SP I stayed away from this thread - I felt there was too much tension even before the competition started and expectations were high.

 

[Yuaz]

Welcome

Thank you! ^^ I'm not getting used to typing here.. Everything is new for me heheh

BTW I'm curious, is there a vid of yuzu skating his SP in Japan Nat's 2010? I found it in YouTube but without the audio...

 

[Yuzu Beloved Angel]

YUUUUUUUUUUZU! NO MATTER WHAT ... WE LOVE YOU! GO! GET THAT GOLD BOY! GANBATTE! DEKIRU! DEKIRU! DEKIRU! Hope and Legacy is beautiful! I Love.

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