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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

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Yuaz said:
I really want to know how you find out that the skaters have cheated technique on their jumps? From slo-mo vid? Or is it clear when you see it live in front of you?
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At first it's not clear in real time until you practice looking, unless it's really bad, or you skated yourself. Low jumps are noticeable live. "Hanging on" to a landing is pretty obvious, because there will be a balance check, lean, or extra curve coming out. Or a scratchy noise and ice flying. Someone who looks like they might fall but doesn't.

Each type of jump has a different technique, with a lot of details. One example is that with toe picking jumps, you should drive the pick in with your leg directly behind you, not off to the side. To the side means you have to rotate your body less in the air, so it's a form of cheating. Read Yuzu's interviews because he loves to talk about this stuff.

Comparing slo-mo of different skaters is really the best. That's why this video fans put together is important: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x8X0u4BX6ks Trust me, anyone can tell from this. Technique is complicated for regular fans like me and you, but the reason Yuzuru's jumps look "easy" is because he uses good technique. Upper body should not be tense, no thud on landing, distance and height of jump, no long pause before, should be speed going in and out. The more you watch the more you will see. Have fun learning!
 
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I know that we all agree to not take Mishin words seriously but I start to think maybe it's true the reason why Yuzu not got the best GEO coz he didn't land the hardest jump, or combo

fs-gossips.com/alexei-mishin-gachinski-did-a-better-quad-loop-than-hanyu/

t “Autumn Classic” in Canada Yuzuru Hanyu performed a quad loop, which either hasn’t been performed for a long time, or hasn’t been executed cleanly before Hanyu. A couple weeks before, this element was counted at the stage of Junior Grand Prix in a program of Alexei Krasnozhon, who is well familiar for you and now represents USA. I wonder whether Hanyu will have strength for the rest of the program after doing a quad loop at the beginning?
– Opinion that quad loop takes a lot of energy – it’s a myths of ancient Greece. We saw how Arthur Gachinski did a beautiful quad loop at trainings. He was doing it not worse than Hanyu. And, maybe even better. Yes, actually, certainly better than Hanyu. Viktor Kudryavtsev and other specialists saw it. But the fact is new stars come on the horizon now. In Finland, Nathan Chen performed quad lutz, quad flip with five quads only in the free program. That’s today’s starting point. Flip and lutz are the next page in figure skating. Not loop. And Chen did them easily and lutz was in combination.
What is quadruple loop? You put the emphasis on it, but today it’s not a sensation. If we are talking about a gray mass, then yes, its performance is certainly an achievement. Speaking of stellar leaders … At Finlandia Trophy we saw the leader of world figure skating. However, not yet crowned, but a leader. Now he doesn’t get high components, but in a year, he will receive appropriate high scores in the second mark, because he’s flexible and competent. And in the hands of Marina Zueva he will gain a choreographic charm. Unlikely he’ll jump better, but in his artistic development Zueva can make a huge improvement.


he thought, mastered quad loop was a waste of time when now so many kid attempt the difficult one aka 4Lz and 4flip
 
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Mishin knows jumps but he is still too biased. Of course he says his own skater had the best quad loop. And he doesn't value skating skills and choreography very much, so Nathan's skating is complete enough for him. I think he is probably using his words to prepare the way for younger Russian talents. So even if there is 10% truth, there is 90% politicking.
 
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At first it's not clear in real time until you practice looking, unless it's really bad, or you skated yourself. Low jumps are noticeable live. "Hanging on" to a landing is pretty obvious, because there will be a balance check, lean, or extra curve coming out. Or a scratchy noise and ice flying. Someone who looks like they might fall but doesn't.

Each type of jump has a different technique, with a lot of details. One example is that with toe picking jumps, you should drive the pick in with your leg directly behind you, not off to the side. To the side means you have to rotate your body less in the air, so it's a form of cheating. Read Yuzu's interviews because he loves to talk about this stuff.

Comparing slo-mo of different skaters is really the best. That's why this video fans put together is important: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x8X0u4BX6ks Trust me, anyone can tell from this. Technique is complicated for regular fans like me and you, but the reason Yuzuru's jumps look "easy" is because he uses good technique. Upper body should not be tense, no thud on landing, distance and height of jump, no long pause before, should be speed going in and out. The more you watch the more you will see. Have fun learning!
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Thank you for explanation.. I have zero knowledge about the rules or technique in figure skating.. And I'm still learning how to differentiate each jump.. It's still difficult for me to tell between flip and lutz..
 
I have just read the interview posted a few pages ago. At first it worried me because of all this talk about quality (seems more Javi's style). But then I thought that he knows this sport much better then us and will do the right thing. After all his strategy for this season worked, with two major titles. And when he lost it was because of his own big mistakes, not because his rivals were stronger.
Besides he was just tired after the competition when giving this interview. And he doesn't practice 4lz for nothing at gala rehearsal, he could have done it thousands of time at TCC. Also it is evident he will not reveal anything too early, it is better to leave your rivals wondering about your nexr layout.
 
Yes, he brought out the lutz to introduce it to the world, meaning he has more confidence in the relationship... possibly. Time to test it out under the bright lights in a big arena, vs the quiet privacy of tcc. Part of the progression of a relationship is to make it more public, right? :)
 
Yuaz said:
Thank you for explanation.. I have zero knowledge about the rules or technique in figure skating.. And I'm still learning how to differentiate each jump.. It's still difficult for me to tell between flip and lutz..
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Flip/lutz is the hardest and I still have trouble—but skaters make it harder for us by flutzing and lipping! Check out the way Yuzu turned his wrong lip into a correct flip: https://m.facebook.com/groups/1610393525875114/?view=permalink&id=1787249761522822
 
When I learned to differentiate the lutz and flip, i initially used the first letters to create ways to remember clues to the correct edge. When you are doing a lutz you are *leaning over or away* from your other leg (so outside edge take off), and flip is falling in (inside edge) to (frozen) water. Silly, but I was very young and that helped, lol.
 
I've just watched it for the first time too - I was laughing so much! Oda is a great host, and Yuzu a surprisingly funny guest (and Shoma was v sweet). :rofl:
 
^ He's always had a great sense of humor, especially around Nobu. You just have catch him at the right time (not during *any* competitions or while he's in his "focus mode") :biggrin:

Congrats to Team Japan (I'm shocked lol) ! Guess it's a good thing I came back after WTT ended and not before.... :roll9:
 
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