Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[asiacheetah]

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But I have more than 100. Where do I go to get one? It doesn't show up in customize profile. Sorry totally off topic.

Edit: I figured out I think. Yes! Success! Thanks for all the help everyone!

 

[xeyra]

But I have more than 100. Where do I go to get one? It doesn't show up in customize profile. Sorry totally off topic.

Go to Settings, on the left there's an option: Edit Avatar.

 

[NordEsque]

Did you come to the consensus that it should be a SP or LP? That piece alone should be SP, but mixed with others it could work as a LP. I may or may not be listening to best to Einaudi right now. lol.

Love Einadui

I don't remember if it was discussed but since the music is quite intense I would go with SP, I think a mix is possible but perhaps not necessary in such a case. I really would like Yuzuru to do a program that is more similar in spirit to Étude and R&J1 and this is the music to do it with

 

[Floria]

I don't think he would do another Chopin SP so soon but I think it'll be cool if he did Waltz no.7 with the improv from a movie call '不能說的秘密: Secret' (which i first heard via this video) but I dunno if there is a studio version of it but i can imagine him having a great step sequence to the improv portion...
I really don't know much figure-skating-appropriate music though which makes me sad whenever these convos roll around

Probably not Chopin because he did it recently, but someting similar is a possibility. He likes skating to piano music, isn't he? Etude, Chopin, Requiem, H&L...

 

[fishheadanon]

Probably not Chopin because he did it recently, but someting similar is a possibility. He likes skating to piano music, isn't he? Etude, Chopin, Requiem, H&L...

Maybe we'll get a violin piece at last? He did say he likes violin music...

 

[asiacheetah]

Love Einadui

I don't remember if it was discussed but since the music is quite intense I would go with SP, I think a mix is possible but perhaps not necessary in such a case. I really would like Yuzuru to do a program that is more similar in spirit to Étude and R&J1 and this is the music to do it with

You don't think it's too soon after Laurine used it do you?

 

[turquoiseblue]

Hanyu looks at raising bar going into Olympic season
by Jack Gallagher

 

[xeyra]

Hanyu looks at raising bar going into Olympic season
by Jack Gallagher

Haven't read the article but good heavens, can't journalists find better pictures?

 

[ralucutzagy]

So one thing is for sure: next season he is going to have 5 quads in his LP, Lz or no Lz. The questions is: What about the axels? He lives one out? Exciting ...
And that photo ... come one. Hydro can give them 100 photos that are better ...

 

[Yatagarasu]

Hanyu looks at raising bar going into Olympic season
by Jack Gallagher

Now what did I say yesterday?

In recovering for next season and toward the Olympics, I want to raise the bar regarding what my average skills are and what I can do on an average basis

So yes, I would not be surprised at all if the whole thing is him weighing what can actually be realistically done, on average (of course his average is in the orbit but still) vs upping he difficulty.
I think it's looking like we will get 5 quads in the FS, with 3 in the second half. Also that he is really into the 4-Lo-3 combo so I do believe that will stay. Whether the 3A or the 3Lz is the last jump will depend on the quad variety, but if the 4Lz is there, I'm betting 3A goes to the last place in the layout.

That table Max posted speaks quite loudly over how close, too close, Shoma is to him, and that Nathan isn't that far off (of course Javier as well). I am keeping my ideas about the 4Lz then.

Also this

A lot was going on in my mind. Should I go from the Ina Bauer to the axel? Should I include a mohawk or an eagle in between?” Hanyu recalled. “That is one of the reasons I wasn’t able to come down as clean as I wanted to.

Figured. this guy.

 

[mcq]

I'm not saying height isn't a factor at all, but I strongly doubt that it's the main factor in deciding how high someone can jump. In 10 cm smaller Yuzus jumps would still be huge, and in 10 cm bigger Shomas still wouldn't be (thanks to technique alone). What I'm disagreeing with is Yuzu not being able to do quads if he was shorter (especially since we have short quad jumpers out there. Nathan is a pretty short and slender guy too).

As for the research, of course that's scientific stuff, but in the end, take it with a grain of salt too. I am a researcher, and it's basically a miracle if you don't find a publication where there is abother directly contradicting it. I'm sure I read a scientific research that said 4As are impossible once

Nah, I completely agree it is not the main factor which was why I mentioned leg muscle strength etc too in my other posts. But I do think it plays a role and since we are playing ifs here, I am just saying his figure is fine as it is. Mishin said he think shorter legs would be more ideal to land quads, while I think not, and who knows really how he would have been if he was shorter, he does may find problems in achieving height or whatnot. But this is all what ifs because one true fact is we will never know. Maybe we would have an idea if someone shorter with similar body type and Yuzuru's exact technique perform quads. I know ladies that are not tall can perform 4S but they are more in the rare zone than in the common zone. Usually vertical jump is proportionate to muscle strength/muscle power and is used to measure it, if I were to take a pick yes I think muscle strength play a major role here.

About research, I am a researcher too, I am pretty sure if you read up the methodology you can (sort of) distinguish which one is more reliable than others, based on how their sampling method etc etc. Whether to believe in scientific research or not, to each of their own. But I am a number person, so seeing numbers and stats actually is more believable to me than random opinions. Other examples would be like... I often see comments like X is more consistent that Y for example, but then when I pull out the stats, nah not really. This is a case for Yuzuru, some think he is probably in the inconsistent spectrum of men's skating, but if you pull out his jump stats in men, he is actually in the top one in terms of consistency

 

[ralucutzagy]

Now what did I say yesterday?


So yes, I would not be surprised at all if the whole thing is him weighing what can actually be realistically done, on average (of course his average is in the orbit but still) vs upping he difficulty.
I think it's looking like we will get 5 quads in the FS, with 3 in the second half. Also that he is really into the 4-Lo-3 combo so I do believe that will stay. Whether the 3A or the 3Lz is the last jump will depend on the quad variety, but if the 4Lz is there, I'm betting 3A goes to the last place in the layout.

That table Max posted speaks quite loudly over how close, too close, Shoma is to him, and that Nathan isn't that far off (of course Javier as well). I am keeping my ideas about the 4Lz then.

Also this

Figured. this guy.

I really wanna know if there's another skater out there who in capable to think so much while doing his routine like Yuzu does ... He is so intelligent. Nobu said after the 2015 WTT, that he was amazed about Yuzu's capacity to think during his performance and that he himself lost a lot of medals because he wasn't able to think like this. I find this really outstanding. :shocked:

 

[mcq]

It is interesting and amusing that this season is considered as Yuzuru's inconsistent season no? He really upped his average as he was aiming imo.

This makes me laugh because I have never seen him this consistent in his entire senior career.
When is he more consistent than this though? 2011/2012? 2012/2013? 2013/2014? 2015/2016?
The percentage of success among his jumps are really high this season. the lowest is 4S (50%) because of you-know-what but his 4Lo and T success rate (and 3A and others) are really good.

Anywho I don't think the average score is a good way to measure someone's consistency due to CoP way of counting things and variation between competition. So though it i interesting to see what Max put out, I don't think it is actually a way to measure consistency.

Example given : Yuzuru may land everything and bomb his 4S3T, skater X may fall twice, similar BV. Skater X may end up with higher score than Yuzuru because he did not fall on his combo while Yuzuru did, but the actual success rate of Yuzu's skate is actually higher. Beside total score factored in PCS which would not really give an idea if people land things or not.

 

[Floria]

I've always wanted to be like Plushenko

 

[mcq]

I don't have stats for success rates of Yuzuru's jumps or other skaters for that matter (which would be fascinating to see... actually maybe I'll do them one day), but I think the perception of inconsistency comes mainly from the fact that each skater has a different set of standards that they have to "match". Yuzuru is expected to be perfect, or at least the best. That, coupled with the fact that he used to have strong shorts and messy frees and now shifted to the exact opposite (within just the 2nd half of the season) surprises the audience and commentators who go into every competition probably assuming that he is going to pull off clean performances.

The truth is that asking Yuzuru to perform two clean performances is pretty much asking him to break a world record (given his layout upgrades). Up until this season no one, except for him, had that potential. Next season, this may change, so it will be very interesting to see how that perception shifts.

I don't believe that there is anyone who can be called consistent in the men's field nowadays. Yes, for Yuzuru's standards, without looking at anyone else, this season was inconsistent. He did have serious mistakes in every competition he participated in. Of course, when you look at others, you won't find anyone with programs of comparable difficulty who did not make mistakes. It's all relative, but at the same time... it's not. Do you know what I mean? He wants to achieve his ideal.

Yuzuru has called Shoma the most consistent skater in the field just recently. (I was a bit surprised at first but I kind of see where he's coming from now). He definitely knows that it's something he needs to work on. His ability to pull up after a smaller or bigger distaster is impressive (boy did he have enough occassions to learn that this season), but he knows that consistency = more love from the judges.

Huh? I am not comparing Yuzuru's consistency to others, but to himself actually. I don't think he has ever been this consistent because his average performance is good, even compared to his other season. Forget commentators they have memory of a goldfish and always will. But aside of GPF 15 and NHK 15, WHEN did he ever not make serious mistakes in every competition? He always does. A fall here a pop there. He has not had a clean SP and FS at all in 14/15 too. Not a clean FS in his entire senior career but GPF 15 and NHK 15 and maybe if you count 2014 worlds (I did not count this btw). I can understand this coming from commentators and/or non-fans but when it comes from people who actually follow him I can't help but be shocked :shocked:

But let's see :

This season I would actually consider him having 4 pretty good competition, namely NHK, GPF, 4CC and Worlds; 4CC and worlds is pretty outstanding in my opinion, even for his standard.
2015/2016, GPF and NHK was outstanding but AC, SC, Nats are kind of a mess. Maybe worlds too.
2014/2015, aside of GPF (and maybe WTT), others are a mess and it is understandable because injuries. Even at GPF and WTT he made 2 mistakes, but because others bombed harder he looked good there
2013/2014, Maybe the closest he has to this season, decent at finlandia trophy and Nats (still made mistake at both though), Great at GPF (just 1 mistake) and good at Worlds (1 mistake at SP, free was messy but lands everything). I don't know if I want to count oly as decent or messy because well, the FS was messy but the SP was great.
2012/2013 : honestly I remember he fought at worlds FS and GPF FS, though it is not clean still. great SP at SA, Nats and NHK, clean as whistle, but others are messy. I consider this a messy season in general.
2011/2012 : I think he only perform SP clean (ish) once at CoC and FS clean(ish) twice at GPF and Worlds.

 

[Meoima]

Huh? I am not comparing Yuzuru's consistency to others, but to himself actually. I don't think he has ever been this consistent because his average performance is good, even compared to his other season. Forget commentators they have memory of a goldfish and always will. But aside of GPF 15 and NHK 15, WHEN did he ever not make serious mistakes in every competition? He always does. A fall here a pop there. He has not had a clean SP and FS at all in 14/15 too. Not a clean FS in his entire senior career but GPF 15 and NHK 15 and maybe if you count 2014 worlds (I did not count this btw). I can understand this coming from commentators and/or non-fans but when it comes from people who actually follow him I can't help but be shocked :shocked:

But let's see :

This season I would actually consider him having 4 pretty good competition, namely NHK, GPF, 4CC and Worlds; 4CC and worlds is pretty outstanding in my opinion, even for his standard.
2015/2016, GPF and NHK was outstanding but AC, SC, Nats are kind of a mess. Maybe worlds too.
2014/2015, aside of GPF (and maybe WTT), others are a mess and it is understandable because injuries. Even at GPF and WTT he made 2 mistakes, but because others bombed harder he looked good there
2013/2014, Maybe the closest he has to this season, decent at finlandia trophy and Nats (still made mistake at both though), Great at GPF (just 1 mistake) and good at Worlds (1 mistake at SP, free was messy but lands everything). I don't know if I want to count oly as decent or messy because well, the FS was messy but the SP was great.
2012/2013 : honestly I remember he fought at worlds FS and GPF FS, though it is not clean still. great SP at SA, Nats and NHK, clean as whistle, but others are messy. I consider this a messy season in general.
2011/2012 : I think he only perform SP clean (ish) once at CoC and FS clean(ish) twice at GPF and Worlds.

Yes, this is the most consistent season Yuzuru has ever had. It's funny to see when people are making him as if he's inconsistent this season.

Let me remind you that, Yuzuru still only had 1 mistake at WC 2017. Other men? Uno flop the Lutz and turn out the quad toe. Boyang was clean overall but shaky landings now and there. Javi? Too many mistakes. Nathan? Fell 3 times in both programs and shaky landings. Patrick? Also mistakes.

This season Yuzuru always won the LP this season except GPF. And we all know his LP was his weakness before due to weak stamina. People have to accept that men will never be as consistent as top ladies.

If you're consistently clean a layout throughout the season, that means the layout you're doing is not difficult to you.

 

[Emzie]

I've always wanted to be like Plushenko

Plushy looks here like a very cute girl

 

[mcq]

Yes, this is the most consistent season Yuzuru has ever had. It's funny to see when people are making him as if he's inconsistent this season.
He always won the LP this season except GPF. And we all know his LP was his weakness before due to weak stamina.
People have to accept that men will never be as consistent as top ladies.
If you're consistently clean a layout throughout the season, that means the layout you're doing is not difficult to you.

But honestly though, do you really think he has had a more consistent season than this? 13/14 would be arguable, but not others. He had simpler layout too at 13/14 so I think had the current Yuzuru done 13/14 layout maybe he would be at least as consistent if not more.
I don't think he was more consistent in 2015/2016. He had 2 very good competition (NHK+GPF) but I don't think I would consider AC, SC or nats decent competition for him. Worlds is arguable, I am leaning to consider that it's pretty decent because of the good SP despite the unraveling in the free.

ETA : Also, his mistake is a foot-down 4S and doubled toe. People made it seem like he landed on his butt or something in the SP lol. A lenient panel would gave him 4S2T and not +Combo (I would give him the +Combo though cause I am mean like that )

 

[sallycinnamon]

I don't think Yuzu had a more consistent season than this before, considering the difficulty of his programs

Anyway here is the success rate of his quads this season:

(fully rotated with positive GOE):
4Lo 64% (9/14)
4S 48% (10/21)
4T 89% (8/9)

And his axel (19/21) has a success rate of 90% this season.

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

I don't think Yuzu had a more consistent season than this before, considering the difficulty of his programs

Anyway here is the success rate of his quads this season:

(fully rotated with positive GOE):
4Lo 64% (9/14)
4S 48% (10/21)
4T 89% (8/9)

And his axel (19/21) has a success rate of 90% this season.

I am trying to get a bit of Hanyu out of my system but simply reading this kind of discussions makes me want to watch his videos again. I could watch him skate all day