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but it would show that she reads Sho's fanfest.

They're never NOT in here. But that's how it's always been. Also the banned queen of trolls is in here all the time since she has multiple accounts. I've seen her misquote me and then ridicule me multiple times. :shrug: I sort of try to care, but don't really care. I'm too busy enjoying my multiple favorite skaters -- especially Numero Uno.
 
Don't feel bad 4everchan, if you don't think Shoma's the best ever. That's very subjective anyway and for me Daisuke is the best ever, for you I guess it's Patrick Chan for others it might be Plushenko....the list goes on. Also like you said Shoma has still a lot of time to grow. Is not perfect yet and the same goes for the programs.

And I think I can speak for all of us here in the fanfest when I say that you can critizise all you want here and we can have a normal discussion about it. There is nothing worse than a fanfest where every critical thought is quenched and people are accused of disliking the skater for daring to question him. We want him to improve, it's coming out of a place of adoration, worry and love for him. So to get to your points of the LP I absolutely get where your coming from. Honestly I would have preferred another season of Loco. Still, I think it is what it is, the decision was made and I'm over my disappointment from April/May when he first announced it. I think it's almost a different program. He is jumping 5!!!!! Quads...let's write it again FIVE QUADS and let's not forget the extremely hard 3A combination. Even a very, very talented interpreter of music like Shoma is going to have problems selling a program filled to the brim with technical content. Shoma wants that Gold. He has no choice in the matter, these are the facts of this Olympic Season. He said he still sees himself more as an artist than a jumper. But he can not out-artist his competition and win on PCS alone. He has to out-jump them. Or at least have the same difficulties. It makes it less pleasing to the eye. And less passionate perhaps. But there are only 6 months left. When it's over Shoma will stay in the sport and get more exciting programs and music choices again, I'm sure. I also believe that this Turandot 2.0 has potential to grow. Shoma has to built stamina too, to sell it better. PCS can also grow when the season goes on. I'm not worried. I think, like last year, his team has a plan, and they will stick to it.

And now I cannot wait for the GP's to start....ahh..still over a month til SC.
 
Congratulations to Shoma on winning Lombardia! And of course for landing his first ever 4S in competition.
I think that although Winter and Turandot are evidently unfinished, by the end of the season I feel like they will be fabulous. Can't wait to watch Shoma this season:love:
 
Don't feel bad 4everchan, if you don't think Shoma's the best ever. That's very subjective anyway and for me Daisuke is the best ever, for you I guess it's Patrick Chan for others it might be Plushenko....the list goes on. Also like you said Shoma has still a lot of time to grow. Is not perfect yet and the same goes for the programs.

And I think I can speak for all of us here in the fanfest when I say that you can critizise all you want here and we can have a normal discussion about it. There is nothing worse than a fanfest where every critical thought is quenched and people are accused of disliking the skater for daring to question him. We want him to improve, it's coming out of a place of adoration, worry and love for him. So to get to your points of the LP I absolutely get where your coming from. Honestly I would have preferred another season of Loco. Still, I think it is what it is, the decision was made and I'm over my disappointment from April/May when he first announced it. I think it's almost a different program. He is jumping 5!!!!! Quads...let's write it again FIVE QUADS and let's not forget the extremely hard 3A combination. Even a very, very talented interpreter of music like Shoma is going to have problems selling a program filled to the brim with technical content. Shoma wants that Gold. He has no choice in the matter, these are the facts of this Olympic Season. He said he still sees himself more as an artist than a jumper. But he can not out-artist his competition and win on PCS alone. He has to out-jump them. Or at least have the same difficulties. It makes it less pleasing to the eye. And less passionate perhaps. But there are only 6 months left. When it's over Shoma will stay in the sport and get more exciting programs and music choices again, I'm sure. I also believe that this Turandot 2.0 has potential to grow. Shoma has to built stamina too, to sell it better. PCS can also grow when the season goes on. I'm not worried. I think, like last year, his team has a plan, and they will stick to it.

And now I cannot wait for the GP's to start....ahh..still over a month til SC.

thank you for this post.... in Patrick's fan fest, we are not afraid of voicing our concerns and worries... and i agree with you : it comes from a place of adoration and well wishing.

Your post also addresses everything I am thinking : I totally agree on everything you wrote! Also, I forgot to add that I was very impressed with Shoma's jumps : i am not worried about his 4loop.. best in the business... the 4s : wow for including it... to me, that was the least successful jump because of the low landing but of course, in reality, the loop was trickier this time (but again... not worried)... the FLIPS WERE SO GOOD!!! wow... this is why i love shoma : he always improves. That shows me that he is smart, well-managed by an excellent team and, more importantly humble... humility is the best asset to have for any athlete/artist... it allows one to get better and better as one knows there is always something or someone better out there... something to aim for. (oh and yes to the 3a-1/2loop-3f !!!!)

I am very excited for Skate Canada as well... I am sad it's in regina... cause if it had been closer, I would have gone.

In any case, I just wanted to thank you all for being so welcoming in the fan fest, and allowing us to have critical but constructive opinions... Shoma has great fans!
 
HE LANDED A SALCHOW?! A QUAD SALCHOW?! i'm sorry i'm very bad at identifying jumps. Congrats to our baby bean for successfully doing those difficult jumps:hap57:
 
my comments on Shoma's programs.

I am thrilled with how ready he is early in the season already. He is definitely, for me, the top contender for olympics.

I liked the SP better than the LP. I thought he made the SP his own already. I liked the step sequence that is not as typical as what we see in 4 seasons programs.. .maybe that's why the musician liked his performance better. I am a musician too... i like Shoma's passion. I am not quite ready to say he is the best in interpretation ever though. He is young, and I hope to see him grow and grow and grow, like last year : I had many reservations about Loco in September, which were pretty much all gone by the time Shoma skated at worlds. It's normal. THe programs need time. Shoma is still learning. So, with all my love and admiration, I am not ready to say he is in a league of his own, yet... i reserve this in a few years from now, when he reaches new levels in creativity and expression. This being said, I wouldn't be posting here, if I didn't already admire him and loved his skating ;)

Always appreciate your thoughtful comments, especially coming from the point of view of a musician. I really love the SP, and I like Turandot very much, although he still has a lot of work to do on it. It is quite a feat just that there are 5 quads in it. I think if he had his way, he'd probably rather skate a program without quads!!!! I also found myself wishing that we would see more good ole well-executed, explosive 3-3 combinations - not just from Shoma but from all the guys. And I miss the fast section that was in Turandot 1. I always liked that because I loved the turns and kicks he did, and it also broke things up a bit. For Boston Worlds, they messed with his layout and took the kicks/turns thing out and -- well, never mind! We don't have to revisit Boston! :)

This is where having an in-house choreographer (go Fluffy! :cheer:) is great. I envision them tweaking the choreography all season long, as they did last year with Loco. When he was here training (and this would be as late as Aug. 20), he really wasn't doing anything close to a full run-through on the FS. I remember I kept thinking "Come on Sho, you have to skate this in less than a month!" So I think we have a good framework, and knowing him he'll be practicing like crazy between now and the Japan Open (Oct. 7).

:otopic: I wonder if I could convince you to bring back your unicorn / leprechaun avatar in honor of Turandot. Gaaaahhhh! I loved that thing! :clap:
 
The mods do keep an eye on "hot topic" threads and will remove a post that is offensive according to the board's guidelines. For me it is easier not to read and participate in the "hot topic" threads other than to congratulate and like certain posts. The ignore feature is my friend.

Thank you for the wise words! (you too maikatz!)
(seriously for my life, it wouldn’t be such a bad idea to be banned. even now i thought, if i visit GS i won’t finish my lunch!
now WATCHING him skate, that’s a different thing. i always make time for rewatching him skate, sessions!
 
Always appreciate your thoughtful comments, especially coming from the point of view of a musician. I really love the SP, and I like Turandot very much, although he still has a lot of work to do on it. It is quite a feat just that there are 5 quads in it. I think if he had his way, he'd probably rather skate a program without clothes!!!! I also found myself wishing that we would see more good ole well-executed, explosive 3-3 combinations - not just from Shoma but from all the guys. And I miss the fast section that was in Turandot 1. I always liked that because I loved the turns and kicks he did, and it also broke things up a bit. For Boston Worlds, they messed with his layout and took the kicks/turns thing out and -- well, never mind! We don't have to revisit Boston! :)

This is where having an in-house choreographer (go Fluffy! :cheer:) is great. I envision them tweaking the choreography all season long, as they did last year with Loco. When he was here training (and this would be as late as Aug. 20), he really wasn't doing anything close to a full run-through on the FS. I remember I kept thinking "Come on Sho, you have to skate this in less than a month!" So I think we have a good framework, and knowing him he'll be practicing like crazy between now and the Japan Open (Oct. 7).

:otopic: I wonder if I could convince you to bring back your unicorn / leprechaun avatar in honor of Turandot. Gaaaahhhh! I loved that thing! :clap:

awwww... but the unicorn was sent away to protect Patrick ;) as i won't be with him this year... SIGH... maybe you will see it at skate canada ;)

and i agree... actually, if i am not mistaken, we met on the forum when i was critical of shoma's loco... and you were open-minded, told me to wait... which i did ;) and i was the first to admit that shoma really owned it by the end of the year and was so happy for him for myself too as i had a brand new figure skater to fanboy for ;) hehehe

i edited your post gently up there.. have fun finding the difference ;)
 
my comments on Shoma's programs.

I am thrilled with how ready he is early in the season already. He is definitely, for me, the top contender for olympics.

I liked the SP better than the LP. I thought he made the SP his own already. I liked the step sequence that is not as typical as what we see in 4 seasons programs.. .maybe that's why the musician liked his performance better. I am a musician too... i like Shoma's passion. I am not quite ready to say he is the best in interpretation ever though. He is young, and I hope to see him grow and grow and grow, like last year : I had many reservations about Loco in September, which were pretty much all gone by the time Shoma skated at worlds. It's normal. THe programs need time. Shoma is still learning. So, with all my love and admiration, I am not ready to say he is in a league of his own, yet... i reserve this in a few years from now, when he reaches new levels in creativity and expression. This being said, I wouldn't be posting here, if I didn't already admire him and loved his skating ;)

I have more issues with the LP : here is why.... when Shoma worked on this LP, he was just out of juniors....the LP was made for a young promising skater with only quad toe.... two issues we can see with the LP now... Shoma has to make room for more quads... he does need time to set up. So, I feel the program needs to be revamped even more so it doesn't look like Shoma is interrupting it, when he sets up for a jump. It's like the music continues, but Shoma has to pause to set up... then jumps... I think that some of these moments will be tweaked as we go further in the season... Also, and that's more of a concern for me, I feel that Shoma is already such a better skater than two years ago... that this program doesn't show his talent as much as the newly conceived SP. Again, as we saw last year with Loco, I am sure things will evolve all year and his team who is excellent and caring, will be helping him to reach new heights and better artistry. This being said, please do not see it as a criticism. In the end, Shoma is still an amazing skater and will score very high with both of these programs... almost 320 in september WOW!!! I just think there is a lost opportunity in showing more of Shoma's amazing skills and interpretation, by reusing a program that was conceived a few years ago, for a much younger skater and less developed athlete and performer. I hope they bring some more flair into it. And, well, that's probably the goal... perhaps they wanted to use the old program so they could lay down the jumps early on, and then, deal with the rest. In any case, I am very excited to see how things will evolve this season for Shoma. and of course, let's ruin my credibility here by adding some major swooning ... how can he be so damn cute? heheheheheehe :love:

A more loving analysis i’ve never read! All the love back to you foreverchan!
 
They're never NOT in here. But that's how it's always been. Also the banned queen of trolls is in here all the time since she has multiple accounts. I've seen her misquote me and ridicule me multiple times. :shrug: I sort of try to care, but don't really care. I'm too busy enjoying my multiple favorite skaters -- especially Numero Uno.

How very interesting…

but yeah, they tend to be a bla din… it’s fun to think they’re busily reading threads of skaters they “have a problem with”, while i’m actually enjoying some skating vid!
 
Just wanted to say Congratulations Shoma! I'm very happy to know he did so well at Lombardia.
I haven't actually watched any of it because I'm 'saving' the Senior skaters' programs first viewings for the Grand Prix (okay, I do cheat a bit sometimes, I did watch that Winter program a while ago, but don't really remember much of it at this point in time). But loving the idea of him doing brilliantly already so early in the season. Just hope he can keep it up. Stay healthy and safe, Shoma! :pray:
 
Just wanted to say Congratulations Shoma! I'm very happy to know he did so well at Lombardia.
I haven't actually watched any of it because I'm 'saving' the Senior skaters' programs first viewings for the Grand Prix (okay, I do cheat a bit sometimes, I did watch that Winter program a while ago, but don't really remember much of it at this point in time). But loving the idea of him doing brilliantly already so early in the season. Just hope he can keep it up. Stay healthy and safe, Shoma! :pray:

I could never have that kind of willpower. Impressive, Winnie! But if I think about it, this year is the first time I've watched an early competition. Guess I'm just nervous this season, and need Shoma to reassure me! :scowl:
 
4everchan, what a thoughtful post. I agree with a lot of it. I also think one of the things why it's so exciting to be a Shoma fan is that there's so much potential in him. He's already awesome :clap: but I also think that he can be 10 x awesome. It's rare when you encounter a person that you think can be the next big thing of something.

Don't worry about your credibility. None of us have any left after the "greypantsgate" :palmf: :p
 
awwww... but the unicorn was sent away to protect Patrick ;) as i won't be with him this year... SIGH... maybe you will see it at skate canada ;)

and i agree... actually, if i am not mistaken, we met on the forum when i was critical of shoma's loco... and you were open-minded, told me to wait... which i did ;) and i was the first to admit that shoma really owned it by the end of the year and was so happy for him for myself too as i had a brand new figure skater to fanboy for ;) hehehe

i edited your post gently up there.. have fun finding the difference ;)

There's still time to get your Sk Can tickets!...Yes, we met after last year's Lombardia when you were ever-so-politely saying you thought Shoma traveled on his final spin. I think you weren't expecting a response of "Traveling? He should have packed a suitcase!!!" Hoping to not have to use that phrase too much this season!! Thank goodness this year's final spin was better, but it was interesting to me that I think he lost his concentration at the end of the FS. He was either super tired or relieved that it was over!!! I think he held the cantilever too long and then because of that finished after the music. Oh well, as B ESP Chris says "He proved he is human!"

Ok, no clothes - no quads. Got it! Both would be great :laugh2:...Also am wondering if you would care to elaborate on whose "Winter" program you think is the best one you have seen so far? The music is so captivating, I can see why it's so popular.
 
Can anybody tell if that 3A-3T in the first half is a placeholder for a 4lz? Knowing Shoma's strategy (he's always going to the max. difficulty unless he can't do something with good consistency), he would probably put the 3A-3T in the 2nd half to replace the 3s and put a 4lz in the first half later in the season. He already has the 2nd highest bv in men's competition ever with 109.09 (1st is nathan at worlds with 112.87), but he will definitely have the highest bv with the 4lz (something close to 120). Nathan also have de potential to get in the 120s, but his strategy is even riskier, putting 2 4lutzes and 4 flips in his program.
 
Can anybody tell if that 3A-3T in the first half is a placeholder for a 4lz? Knowing Shoma's strategy (he's always going to the max. difficulty unless he can't do something with good consistency), he would probably put the 3A-3T in the 2nd half to replace the 3s and put a 4lz in the first half later in the season. He already has the 2nd highest bv in men's competition ever with 109.09 (1st is nathan at worlds with 112.87), but he will definitely have the highest bv with the 4lz (something close to 120). Nathan also have de potential to get in the 120s, but his strategy is even riskier, putting 2 4lutzes and 4 flips in his program.

At this point we cannot be sure. It could be. The question is if and if yes, when he will add it. We know it's his problem jump and we know he worked on it a lot in the last months....and it still remains his nemesis. The question is, will he go for it, if it is not stable? If it might make him fall? Does he need it? I guess we'll find out later. I'm almost sure this is not the final layout though. There is always a plan with Shoma's team.

I have another question. Why does Shoma jump 4T-2T in the FS and not 4T-3T? Or does the point difference not matter much, so it's like not important enough to have such a hard combination in the second half?
 
At this point we cannot be sure. It could be. The question is if and if yes, when he will add it. We know it's his problem jump and we know he worked on it a lot in the last months....and it still remains his nemesis. The question is, will he go for it, if it is not stable? If it might make him fall? Does he need it? I guess we'll find out later. I'm almost sure this is not the final layout though. There is always a plan with Shoma's team.

I have another question. Why does Shoma jump 4T-2T in the FS and not 4T-3T? Or does the point difference not matter much, so it's like not important enough to have such a hard combination in the second half?

His 3A3T garners him a lot of points, more so than his 4T2T combo. It's possible he could switch the 3T around but why change one of his best combos that he regularly gets over 2.50 GOE on? The difference in BV is about 0.30, which he makes up for in GOE.
 
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