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This is referring to the ice dance event at the US Classic Challenger event in Salt Lake City this past weekend.
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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This is referring to the ice dance event at the US Classic Challenger event in Salt Lake City this past weekend.
I find Dean has a very distinct visual in his choreography which is why I said I *hope* that MF also has a heavy hand in it to keep it more about P/C and less about Dean. I think they need that balance. Dean tends toward choreography with pretentious movement that breaks the flow and the biggest strength P/C have is their flow and THAT is what the coaching team in Montreal puts emphasis on for all their teams. So in combination I would hope that together Dean and MF can marry the two.
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I followed very well this event indeed but I never paid attention it happened in Salt Lake. I thought he might have been referring to 2002 Olympics but there was no rumba/samba combo. Anyway, thanks.I've been wondering about that as well. I don't think they've said anything regarding the 2018 Worlds yet. I was seriously considering buying a ticket, but given the fact that it's the post-Olympic Worlds, and I would be going only for Gaby and Guillaume, I'm not too sure...
Crossing my fingers that they go. It would be an easy win for them, and then they'd be 3x World Champs!
ETA: I wonder how many worlds golds they will win in their career? They are so young still (only 22, right)? If they stay in til they're 30, they could win 8 more times!
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Thank you so much Alain for this report ! It's really kind to share your journey !
It took me a while to write you this message because of my pretty pathetic accident at the rink the day you posted it but I want you to know that I really really enjoy your pics and their bold and wild vibes
Moreover I can't wait for their first event of the season, the last days will be a little to lengthy imo ^^
I am really glad to know that some of you will be at the Internationaux, it will be my first event so can't wait for it !
About the music choice, I don't listen all the rumors but I sure their choice will be clever, bold and totally suit them, so I let them surprise me for an other season !
Have a good day/night where you are in the world Xxx
Or you could look at programs yourself to see. I apologize if that sounds flippant but I don't have time to do lengthy posts with links to justify my opinion. I follow skating and have for many years. When I see familiar movement I notice it. Especially if it's something an iconic team like Torvill and Dean were known for. You might be interested in watching Jackie Wongs the making of Wagners LaLaLand where she is talking about choreographers and how ShaeLynn works, it's quicker to watch than to have me try to explain. And that is all I was suggesting when I said that I hope MF has a hand because she can see Deans idea and when necessary suggest adjustments to make it more Gabri and Guillaume and therefore unique to them.
Not sure why some are taking this as a slight. What I am hoping for can only be good for them.
I'd asked for you to name a programme and a section of choreography. It's as simple as writing- this programme, the section between the circular step and the second lift, or whatever. If you want to label Dean's choreo as pretentious I'm perfectly open-minded that your opinion might be correct, especially as I don't have a great knowledge of those programmes choreographed for people other than him and Jayne. I don't really think that watching a video about Shae-lynn Bourne and Ashley Wagner is going to help establish whether your saying that "Dean tends toward choreography with pretentious movement that breaks the flow" is a sound basis for what else you have written.
I mean: if I were to state a Torvill and Dean programme that has complete flow from beginning to end with undoubtedly no pretentious movement, I would cite this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvG8EJoR3qc. I would also describe this as the classic Torvill and Dean style. If I would cite a particular part to focus on I would say the entrance to the first lift, which bears some comparison to the entrance to the curved lift for G and G this year, except the arabesque position of Jane is held then compromised through a turn and the resumed and then held before a really difficult lift, which is actually created twice created because of the turn in the middle, then with a complex exit, all whilst maintaining complete flow, then with the classic two crossovers that Torvill and Dean used to do before restarting another sequence of movement, in order to maintain flow.
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I don't think Dean will totally revamp Gaby and Guillaume because the way they skate is unique to them. Plus he's only helping on the SD where it's all right and even welcome for them to be a bit more experimental with their movements. As I said before Dean and Torvill were excellent at Rhumba and I'm hoping he did help on nailing the pattern. Anyway, they're starting off early so they can tweak with marie's help if needed.
I know you enjoy this type of discussion, your satanic debate still fresh in my mind, but they bore me. I´m just not that kind of fan.
I´ll just look forward to the debut of P/C and see what they have come up with and leave it at that.
That's fine! But I'll still feel free to ask you to justify or explain any statement you might make on here or provide evidence or a link that supports it. If in the future you do want to provide a link to illustrate that Dean's choreography has pretentious movements that interrupt the flow, then please do so! I am always open to discussion and engaging with intelligent people who like to discuss ideas and opinions freely!
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MF is world champion of Rhumba. Remember her and Patrice won the CD section beating D/S at worlds 2006
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MF is world champion of Rhumba. Remember her and Patrice won the CD section beating D/S at worlds 2006
oh the irony
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MF is world champion of Rhumba. Remember her and Patrice won the CD section beating D/S at worlds 2006
Btw, both were trained by Boucher-Zazoui and Haguenauer. Nothing new about Gadbois. Just Haguenauer changing place.
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To follow-up a bit on Your thought, I think that Christopher's involvement could actually 'accommodate' this uniqueness of Gabriella/Guillaume in terms of balancing technical content and still doing it in their own way. Torvill/Dean for me had quite distinct style, way of presentation, movement to them which they used successfully thorough they career, still achieving that technical excellence.
The 'revamp' is for me not necessary - as I said about Gabriella/Guillaume in many threads, their specific style they developed and way of expressing themselves in Ice Dance is very rare, especially for such young athletes, it certainly would be a wish of mine to have more couples with such definite style/point of view and then to channel it in all they present, how they perform. The issue is not in changing the style altogether - it would mean something like losing their identity, it's more of a way of trying to understand/accept that style and see what will come with it next (as for casual viewer's point of view). I do understand that some of people take their last 3 FDs as a constant re-vamp of one idea/style, but for me the intricacy and the differentiation points are more about emotional message carried by each program and pure celebration of the beauty of movement Gabriella/Guillaume present using their own way of expression. In my opinion it's not a typically taken 'versatility' - it's more of a conscious choice of exploring their own style, taking up different sides of it, trying to challenging themselves inside this philosophy.
I am not sure of course how this cooperation with Christopher Dean looked like, but I definitely think that his vast experience and an ability to maintain distinction in style with technical strength/prominence are areas in which Dean's advice could come in handy for Gabriella and Guillaume. I do believe also that this 'champion's mindset' could be an inspiration for Gabriella/Guillaume and help them to set up a strong vision to follow for this SD.
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