Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

[oakandbirch]

I really like the SD, because it is constructed, there is a choreography, there is a concept that suits them, it is "fresh and cheeky" matching perfectly their personality. The FD is all about P/C's personal skills and the music, but I feel there is no real choreography. They are still the best. I hope they stop being "choreographed" by Dubreuil. The first 2 years were fine; on Mozart she could take ideas from Preljocaj. But last year and this year, it seems she does the minimum, it looks as if she only adds elements one after another, it's not that well choreographed, meaning the adequacy between choreography/music. Dubreuil makes P/C boring. They deserve better. The SD makes a "whole", it's not really the case on the FD. You know what I mean? I wonder how was that FD before the ballet dancer came to help them polish that monotonous choreography of Dubreuil.

 

[MelDee]

I really like the SD, because it is constructed, there is a choreography, there is a concept that suits them, it is "fresh and cheeky" matching perfectly their personality. The FD is all about P/C's personal skills and the music, but I feel there is no real choreography. They are still the best. I hope they stop being "choreographed" by Dubreuil. The first 2 years were fine; on Mozart she could take ideas from Preljocaj. But last year and this year, it seems she does the minimum, it looks as if she only adds elements one after another, it's not that well choreographed, meaning the adequacy between choreography/music. Dubreuil makes P/C boring. They deserve better. The SD makes a "whole", it's not really the case on the FD. You know what I mean? I wonder how was that FD before the ballet dancer came to help them polish that monotonous choreography of Dubreuil.

No.

I know that you're not on board with P/C being in Montreal, but saying that their Moonlight Sonata FD isn't coherent and the choreography doesn't properly highlight the music is completely out of line, plain wrong. M-F (just like any other choreographer) has had her hits and misses, but she always choreographs the best she can for Gaby and Guillaume. All four of their FDs in this Olympic quad have been nothing but quality choreography full of musical nuances. They make everything they do seem easy, but there's so much difficult content there. For instance the transitions in their FD this year are some of the most difficult they've ever performed, I think. She's done a great job on Moonlight Sonata, and I'm sure we're going to be seeing tweaks in the FD as the season goes on. Also, the word "boring" is one I'd never associate with P/C's work. NEVER. As Tanith Belbin said, these two could skate to whale sounds and still make it incredible.

 

[maya1985]

, but I feel there is no real choreography.

of course there is a "real" choreography, and a sublime, and very constructed: delicate, which marries every note of music of Beethoven

 

[Anyasnake]

I really like the SD, because it is constructed, there is a choreography, there is a concept that suits them, it is "fresh and cheeky" matching perfectly their personality. The FD is all about P/C's personal skills and the music, but I feel there is no real choreography. They are still the best. I hope they stop being "choreographed" by Dubreuil. The first 2 years were fine; on Mozart she could take ideas from Preljocaj. But last year and this year, it seems she does the minimum, it looks as if she only adds elements one after another, it's not that well choreographed, meaning the adequacy between choreography/music. Dubreuil makes P/C boring. They deserve better. The SD makes a "whole", it's not really the case on the FD. You know what I mean? I wonder how was that FD before the ballet dancer came to help them polish that monotonous choreography of Dubreuil.

I disagree, it is all about choreo, mouvements, and if she wants to make P/C "boring", well... she is doing a terrible job

 

[VikiLeeks]

I really like the SD, because it is constructed, there is a choreography, there is a concept that suits them, it is "fresh and cheeky" matching perfectly their personality. The FD is all about P/C's personal skills and the music, but I feel there is no real choreography. They are still the best. I hope they stop being "choreographed" by Dubreuil. The first 2 years were fine; on Mozart she could take ideas from Preljocaj. But last year and this year, it seems she does the minimum, it looks as if she only adds elements one after another, it's not that well choreographed, meaning the adequacy between choreography/music. Dubreuil makes P/C boring. They deserve better. The SD makes a "whole", it's not really the case on the FD. You know what I mean? I wonder how was that FD before the ballet dancer came to help them polish that monotonous choreography of Dubreuil.

They invited a ballet dancer because the choreo was monotonous... I am sorry but it is ridiculous. A ballet dancer can only help polish certain nuances, like the position of the head or hands. I know tastes differ but Beethoven is not boring at all. And to say that it is the same as Oddudua is a great compliment for the latter. In fact, P/C are still rather young and are showing the best they can in the Olympic season. Every skater does it.

 

[yoloaxel]

This FD is a pure moment of beauty. Gabriella and Guillaume are incredible, true dancers.
Standing ovation. There is them and the others.

Yes that FD really is beautiful, I can't wait to see it again! They really interpret the music well On the other hand, I really dislike the music they chose for the SD, I just feel like it won't work well at the Olympics :\

 

[nimi]

For people who were in arena do you really see a difference between what you saw in live and what you saw in TV ?

P/C's quite unique flow and fluidity just doesn't come across 100% on camera. Even though Finlandia Trophy had pretty good camera work this time around (esp. compared to FT & Helsinki Worlds last season) the camera angles aren't always optimal for gauging speed & movement in space, and cutting from one camera angle to another tends to disrupt the flow & continuity of the movement/choreo a bit, at least for me as a TV viewer.

 

[Anyasnake]

Yes that FD really is beautiful, I can't wait to see it again! They really interpret the music well On the other hand, I really dislike the music they chose for the SD, I just feel like it won't work well at the Olympics :\

I have to ask something that goes along with the Shibutanis' music choices :

Why does so many people here seem to dislike Ed Sheeran and Coldplay ? They're basically the best pop-singers of today (I really mean it) and I was surprised at the amout of disapointment (especially againt Codplay's song "Paradise" which is for me a truly awesome song). They're so popular I was wondering why nobody seems to like them on the forum...

(I absolutely don't mean to be disrespectful, but does it have to do with age ? I don't really know the average age on GS, but that could be a factor)

 

[yoloaxel]

I have to ask something that goes along with the Shibutanis' music choices :

Why does so many people here seem to dislike Ed Sheeran and Coldplay ? They're basically the best pop-singers of today (I really mean it) and I was surprised at the amout of disapointment (especially againt Codplay's song "Paradise" which is for me a truly awesome song). They're so popular I was wondering why nobody seems to like them on the forum...

(I absolutely don't mean to be disrespectful, but does it have to do with age ? I don't really know the average age on GS, but that could be a factor)

I actually love the Shibutanis' music choices (usually). The difference for me is that P/C chose a song that to me is a bit 'clubby' (Shape of You) and then linked it to one that really sounds like it has nothing to do with it (Thinking Out Loud). On the other hand, Fix You (and Paradise, if they're really doing it) has a more contemporary, less pop feel to it, which I like. I hope this made some sense, a lot of it I feel like is just personal taste!

 

[Anyasnake]

I actually love the Shibutanis' music choices (usually). The difference for me is that P/C chose a song that to me is a bit 'clubby' (Shape of You) and then linked it to one that really sounds like it has nothing to do with it (Thinking Out Loud). On the other hand, Fix You (and Paradise, if they're really doing it) has a more contemporary, less pop feel to it, which I like. I hope this made some sense, a lot of it I feel like is just personal taste!

Yes I'm guessing it's personal taste too, I personally wasn't surprised at P/C's music cuts and since the Thinking Out Loud clip is close to a rumba, that made sense for me... Well at least I think it fits, thankfully for me since I like them haha
And Paradise is for the Shibs' FD. I just saw a lot of disappointed people about that, it surprised me.

 

[yuna13]

+ the long sleeves from gabriella fd dress. the effect is just gorgeous in all the lifts or in all of her arms movement
guillaume twizzles exit. what is it? a kneeling spin.
their lifts. i have nothing against acrobatic lifts they are indeed impressive but with them i just want to see a beautiful position who last more than a few seconds.

i can only find two things i don't like in their fd : guillaume costume and his spin exit it's good but gabriella is waiting for him. can they bring back this exit ? :https://youtu.be/zWrlc-wtnlc?t=2m38s

i hope they will do finlandia trophy every year.

and good news francetv just annonced the coverage for the olympics they will start the live at 2:00 am they will use 3 channels so good chance to see all the skating competition!

here the article: http://www.ozap.com/actu/jo-d-hiver-2018-200-heures-de-direct-sur-france-televisions/538527

 

[VikiLeeks]

+ guillaume costume

Yes, his blouse is strange.:noshake: I don't like it either. I think a simpler white shirt would be better. Gabi's dress is gourgeous, she looks like a statuette in it.

 

[Anyasnake]

and good news francetv just annonced the coverage for the olympics they will start the live at 2:00 am They will use 3 channels so good chance to see all the skating competion!

Here the article: http://www.ozap.com/actu/jo-d-hiver-2018-200-heures-de-direct-sur-france-televisions/538527

you have made my day !!

 

[icetigger]

A lot of photos of the short dance https://ajtl.pictures.fi/kuvat/Finl...e+SD/Gabriella+PAPADAKIS+-+Guillaume+CIZERON/
and of the free dance https://ajtl.pictures.fi/kuvat/Finl...e+FD/Gabriella+PAPADAKIS+-+Guillaume+CIZERON/

As for the FD photos, Guillaume looks vicious in some of them, esp. in the presto part. Maybe he (or his character) was fighting his demons and just got carried away for a moment. There is a great and deep story behind the program. Those saying that this is the same old Mozart are just blind and do not want to see their progress.

Guillaume's teeth were unusually visible in the free skate.

 

[icetigger]

I really like the SD, because it is constructed, there is a choreography, there is a concept that suits them, it is "fresh and cheeky" matching perfectly their personality. The FD is all about P/C's personal skills and the music, but I feel there is no real choreography. They are still the best. I hope they stop being "choreographed" by Dubreuil. The first 2 years were fine; on Mozart she could take ideas from Preljocaj. But last year and this year, it seems she does the minimum, it looks as if she only adds elements one after another, it's not that well choreographed, meaning the adequacy between choreography/music. Dubreuil makes P/C boring. They deserve better. The SD makes a "whole", it's not really the case on the FD. You know what I mean? I wonder how was that FD before the ballet dancer came to help them polish that monotonous choreography of Dubreuil.

Last year's free skate was for me impeccable in the final version. But I do think there are a lot of ideas that have been thrown in to the current free skate but that they perhaps haven't yet had that big picture moment, where the whole free skate makes sense, and that then they can just refine everything so that it all contributes to the overall effect. I think it's more about having a narrative and story that will glue everything together and give a vision for how every movement should be done. That's not even to make it about radically changing the choreography: it's just like when you are painting a picture and you put a bit here and a bit there but at some point you get an idea of what the effect of the whole should be and then you quickly revise and adjust everything at speed because you then just know how everything should look. For me, and to create a space between the current free skate and the previous Mozart one, I would be emphatically looking at seeing it as a gothic piece (in contrast to a classical one), which I think befits the music; and i'm not sure that there is not some underlying gothic narrative already; and the feel of the opening and ending, which feeled a little too mannered, i would be looking to ramp up a little. But I also think it is still a work in development, so I'm not expecting to see a final version either in terms of overall picture or elements at present. It's a problem with anything with movement and a number of contributors: you can get bits that do not quite align with other bits within a piece; and it will be the making sure everything feels like an abstract representation of a story that is likely to pull it all together.

 

[cocotaffy]

Rewatching their SD, it's seriously infectious and lasts 30 seconds, I swear it just flies by like no other of their previous SD. Gaby is a star, she just shines. All those little head movements are also great, so typical of them.
I also love how their SD and FD show two completely different facets of their personality, the SD make them look their age, young, fresh, having fun dancing whereas the FD shows depth and how mature they are for their young age. All the lovely photos linked in a previous post shows just how much range they have with their facial expressions.

 

[alain06fr]

Yes, his blouse is strange.:noshake: I don't like it either. I think a simpler white shirt would be better. Gabi's dress is gourgeous, she looks like a statuette in it.

Guillaume's top is not exactly white. It has pinkish reflections. I know it's difficult to get the real colour with the TV broadcast.

It's not a blouse. The front side of his top looks like a roman toga as you can see on this pic:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZrIldpljn_/?taken-by=alain06fr
It's definitely class imHo and it's designed by Guillaume himself

 

[alain06fr]

I know how to read protocols. I used to do data entry for competitions. My post is in response to someone basically saying it was a better debut than their rivals because they would have had some imaginary score if he didn't fall. The fact is he did fall so that is their score. Just as the other team made mistakes and that was their score. The fact is both teams are very even in the eyes of the judges and will need to skate clean to beat the other. It is an exciting and worthy rivalry. I consider myself lucky to see two teams of such quality battle it out.

Yeah, I agree, both teams are very even in the eyes of the judges as you point you.

Now, as for skating cleanly to beat the other, it makes sense, you're right. Unfortunately, I did not feel like it was exactly the case in Helsinki. BTW, it's interesting to compare the GOEs of P/C DiSt today with GOEs of V/M CiSt at Worlds... When I see judges giving +2 (!!!???) or even +3 (!!!!?????) to V/M CiSt...

 

[alain06fr]

Rewatching their SD, it's seriously infectious and lasts 30 seconds, I swear it just flies by like no other of their previous SD. Gaby is a star, she just shines. All those little head movements are also great, so typical of them.
I also love how their SD and FD have two completely different facets of their personality, the SD make them look their age, young, fresh, having fun dancing whereas the FD shows depth and how mature they are for their young age. All the lovely photos linked in a previous post shows just how much range they have with their facial expressions.

I fully agree. Christopher Dean managed to choreograph a short program which perfectly fits to Gaby and Guillaume. They have so much fun performing this SD. One can see it on their faces, in their smiles. Gaby shines as you say and Guillaume demonstrates his talents as dancer. Both spend so much energy. Somehow, they look like kids in a party.

The FD brings us in a completely different world, made of softness, fluidity, emotions, feelings, melancholy, sadness and love between a woman and a man.

It's definitely amazing to see them performing two programs where they show very different aspects of their personality.

 

[CAS]

Yeah, I agree, both teams are very even in the eyes of the judges as you point you.

Now, as for skating cleanly to beat the other, it makes sense, you're right. Unfortunately, I did not feel like it was exactly the case in Helsinki. BTW, it's interesting to compare the GOEs of P/C DiSt today with GOEs of V/M CiSt at Worlds... When I see judges giving +2 (!!!???) or even +3 (!!!!?????) to V/M CiSt...

It's not the same error. Guillaume clearly fell in the step sequence. Scott did not, the sequence was finished when he had that slip, most judges were aware of that, a few weren't. This is an old debate on skating boards that doesn't need to be rehashed but the facts are that sequence was finished which explains the differences you are pointing out in GOE.