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2018 Olympic Season: Ice Dance

V/M maybe reusing lifts, but so are most other couples. V/M are always judged harsher than everyone else.

well, I'd rather say (from my observation about their last season, first after 2-year hiatus from competition) that the Ice Dance scene has changed with its optics, hence they are simply viewed through different factors and in much broader 'scope' of top teams than before I think. This with the fact that they are one of the most experienced teams out there plus their 2-year old break taken into consideration, could result with the impression that there's always something new and original demanded/expected from them - especially looking at their versatility and how they've taken so different themes/styles and aesthetics throughout years. From my point of view, I'd say that last season proved that they 'fit' into current Ice Dance scene just fine, with all they presented - and they were pretty much highly praised for what they've done in terms of material and performance. I think that it could be, because they put the stress/attention on strong, cohesive and personally-engaged concepts of programs and boldness of their presentation instead of freshness/originality or innovation of material or elements. To be honest, for me their elements - recycled or not - are usually executed very strongly and going well with the music, so my pinpoint watching them is never too much focused on what they recycle; if e.g. the lift is fitting and they used it before - why not to use it again (especially if the element was successful levels-wise and felt comfortable for the team)?

To sum up, I'd say that Tessa and Scott maybe are not judged 'harsher' that everyone else, but the perspective watching them is just different than before, especially taking into consideration their vast experience and people's personal expectations (e.g. comparing them to other teams with totally different background, style of way of expressing themselves). There is also this argument of constant comparison made between them and French team Papadakis/Cizeron - for me, neither of teams should mould themselves into another's aesthetic just because some 'public expectation' says so; Tessa and Scott are totally different from Gabriella and Guillaume and they do not need any 're-branding' or identity/style change to still going successful, like they proved last season.

As long as it is executed correctly, it SHOULD be fine, no ? If single skaters use the same programs, Dancers can 'recycle' a couple of lifts. Judges are not supposed to see previous work. But I agree very much with VIETgrlTerifa, it has to feel fresh, it's the key. I could see that two of V/M's favourite programs for the fans is Carmen and Prince, you might have watched it a hundred times. So in the MR FD, for the first outing you might have said : "oh, the same lifts". Well it wasn't EXACTLY the same with the Prince one (arms variation) and the Carmen one (very different ending).

I think they'll definitely keep the Carmen one, because it's REALLY impressive, even if you feel like it is 'recycled', the backflip is great, it creates a 'wow' moment for the crowd. We'll see for the other. This weekend, I think we are going to see a different outing. I personally didn't rewatched their SD/FD from ACI because I want to have a brand new eye for SC (the camera work wasn't great... I didn't rewatch WeaPo's programs too because of that). I don't know if you watched their interview after the FD, but it wasn't what they wanted for their performance. A few changes will be done, but I wouldn't worry about that : Marie-France definitely knows how to work those tiny details and give life to a choreo without anyone noticing it. (And maybe new dresses !!)

to add something (being much in agreement with what you've said) - the most important thing for me with re-using/re-creating some elements from previous programs is to make them look naturally fitting into this new program: going well with general flow of the dance, the music, the vibe of the program. Each element is a part of something bigger - recycled or not, it has to be integrated into this wholesome which has to do the right impression and feel cohesive as a package - for me, the key is to make us not really/meticulously pay attention to elements separately, but to focus on how nicely dance flows, how well they interpret the music/theme, how engaging the performance is.

Focusing a bit on Tessa/Scott's 'recycled lifts gate' ;) - while those 2 lift are taken from their past programs, I think that they have a very good fit inside 'Moulin Rouge' concept of a program. Both are very effective and create some kind of 'bold statement' about movement and performance, which in my opinion goes so well with the idea of the program. Besides, both lifts were altered to match music closely and to give out the feel of it. I am waiting for Skate Canada to see how this FD has grown in various areas.
 
I'd be surprised if she ends the season in the same outfit she started in. Last season she had one change for each program, and Scott had a different top at Worlds for the SD. And last Olympic season she didn't even use the same dresses for the team and the individual (and Scott two FD costumes too). In fact, they went a little crazy with the costume changes that season:
- Sochi individual SD (glittery black with silver art deco style bodice, Scott in a white dress shirt with black suspenders and bowtie)
- Sochi team SD (glittery black with a v-neck)
- Nationals SD (black dress with white accents, fuchsia under the skirt, and Scott in a black shirt with white)
- GPF SD (same dress as for the team event, Scott in a grey shirt with black suspenders and bowtie)
- TdF SD (same as GPF)
- SC SD (same as GPF)
- Finlandia SD (dove grey dress, Scott in light blue dress shirt, gold tie, black vest)

That's five different SD dresses for Tessa, four outfits for Scott and five different combinations.

- Sochi individual FD (pale pink dress with crystals, Scott in navy blue)
- Sochi team FD (red dress with gold accents, Scott in black with red on the sleeves)
- Nationals FD (floaty white dress with silver sparkly top part, Scott same as Sochi individual)
- GPF FD (pale pink dress with flower details, Scott in a dark red shirt)
- TdF FD (emerald green dress, Scott in a white shirt)
- SC FD (same as GPF)
- Finlandia FD (pale blue dress, Scott in a white shirt)

So that's six FD dresses for Tessa and again four outfits for Scott and six different combinations.

That was super off topic, but very fun.

I still think the Faberge egg dress is one of the most beautiful costume she ever wore (Sochi team FD).

Very fun post. Thank you!
 
A lot of people are saying Tessa and Scott might come off as stale with using the same 2 lifts in their Free dance. Im worried about this too. Their short is exceptional and their FD's has great potential if it wasnt for the same lifts from a team that have been very original in the past and versatile. Doesn't their coaches and team see this?????����
Hope im wrong.

I'm very optimistic that this week they'll rock out at Skate Canada and we will all just sit back in awe. Then we will watch the French at CoC the next week, and then we'll all collectively freak out about how wonderful both dances are and the Olympic free dance will be really, really stressful!

I'm not worried. :)
 
Hearing through the grape vine to watch Team Canada FD practice for a potential change from one of the teams. Not V/M.
 
I for one wish V/M would not use recycled lifts like the one from Carmen. To me they are better than that. The music is.. warhorsy enough without reusing stuff from older programs.

Hearing through the grape vine to watch Team Canada FD practice for a potential change from one of the teams. Not V/M.

Weaver and Poje? Did they drop Spartacus? That would be the best W/P news ever.
 
No Chicago? Really?
Dear God, thank you if it turns out to be true.

for me, 'Chicago' had potential for them, but definitely not in the form it was so far: botched music cuts, too much of dialogue, too much of 'jazzy hands' and frantic movement...They do have goods in my opinion to make a dynamic program work, I just don't want them to get something classical/serious...
 
probably L/D (Russian team)

they apparently have a new fd

Yes, they probably have another program or they made changes, thanks God, but this other person says Team Canada, so maybe W/P have another FD? I think the SD was fine .
 
If Weaver Poje changed their Spartacus FD I'll be sad, it had tons of potential, and I really loved the music
 
Yes, they probably have another program or they made changes, thanks God, but this other person says Team Canada, so maybe W/P have another FD? I think the SD was fine .

i loved Spartacus ... i mean... it was brand new when i saw it and had tons of potential... but it was quite daring for them as in a completely different style...

honestly, if it's team canada.... and they say it's not v/m... well... it could be s/f but it wouldn't make such big news....

maybe they are keeping spartacus but having a sassy latin SD... i think that would make sense..
 
i loved Spartacus ... i mean... it was brand new when i saw it and had tons of potential... but it was quite daring for them as in a completely different style...

honestly, if it's team canada.... and they say it's not v/m... well... it could be s/f but it wouldn't make such big news....

maybe they are keeping spartacus but having a sassy latin SD... i think that would make sense..

Weaver/Poje updated their ISU bio and their FD music is now listed as "Je Suis Malade" by Lara Fabian. It looks like they're going back to their 2011-2012 FD. With the rule changes since then, I'm sure it's revamped.
 
Weaver/Poje updated their ISU bio and their FD music is now listed as "Je Suis Malade" by Lara Fabian. It looks like they're going back to their 2011-2012 FD. With the rule changes since then, I'm sure it's revamped.

now, that's THE NEWS:jaw:, thanks VIETgrlTerifa for bearing the info:thank:

honestly, I don't even know what to think about this right now...
 
Weaver/Poje updated their ISU bio and their FD music is now listed as "Je Suis Malade" by Lara Fabian. It looks like they're going back to their 2011-2012 FD. With the rule changes since then, I'm sure it's revamped.

thanks! that's funny. I was messaging a GS friend and we were discussing about this ... how they should go back to an older program...

- - - Updated - - -

They skated the same Chicago program at practice just now.

yes... what i read was that it would be very revamped...
 
Weaver/Poje updated their ISU bio and their FD music is now listed as "Je Suis Malade" by Lara Fabian. It looks like they're going back to their 2011-2012 FD. With the rule changes since then, I'm sure it's revamped.
I think it is a great decision. That FD is great ... one of their best FDs.
 
Je Suis Malade is probably my favorite W/P program of all time, but I wonder if it sends the right message to reach back that far in their career.
 
Je Suis Malade is probably my favorite W/P program of all time, but I wonder if it sends the right message to reach back that far in their career.

Essentially it's a valedictory performance, sort of like a greatest hit that they're saving for their final year. Sort of like Ashley re-using Moulin Rouge, and Yuzu using Seimei. These are the signature routines and they want to bring it back for the Olympics, the biggest stage of all. It's a long reach though, but not entirely unheard of. Kavaguti and Smirnov used their Clair de Lune number for the third time in 2016/17, just before they retired, and that had last used it five season prior.

So I'm going to guess if it's because of (1) economics, since there's less $ in skating these days, so they don't have to hire another choreographer, (2) the current program receiving negative feedback from the judges, and / or (3) the pressure of an Olympic year being a bit alleviated if they use a number they're so used to performing and are entirely comfortable with, so that it takes the edge off?
 
Yeah, but did you see their run through, they seemed sort of half committed. I think Morozov is such a slime ball. I wouldn't be surprised if years from now we find out this his job was just to mess them up. You do recall they beat B/S into 5th in Helsinki. I mean in all their years with their previous coaches I've never seen them so unprepared at the start of the season. I mean how could they have thought that such a light, almost tepid Spartacus routine would have gotten more than a lukewarm response? Sort of sad really. But I hope my first impressions are wrong.
 
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