Counting Gracie Gold, there are three active US ladies skaters that have already done that...
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Counting Gracie Gold, there are three active US ladies skaters that have already done that...
She said in her interview with GS the difference would be five weeks of training beforehand nationals or three weeks of training. She sounded excited about qualifying, not so much about going. I understand, after the last time she wants to be as strong af nationals as possible. But I think if she does qualify, she’s going regardless. It’s a big deal.
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Well, and it was a big deal all three times. :yes:
This is going to sound REALLY stupid but how exactly is actually competing in competition and putting all your goods out there a disadvantage compared to practicing privately at your home training rink
Wouldn't competing at the GPF be a more valuable experience that also helps the reputation? Surely the feedback you get at competition is more valuable then hiding away at your rink where there is no urgency to perform the best and your faults aren't going to be picked up as much. Running though your program in practice isn't the same and considering the fact that the US ladies are known for being great in practice but failing in actual competition one would think actual competition is the best way to toughen up
This is going to sound REALLY stupid but how exactly is actually competing in competition and putting all your goods out there a disadvantage compared to practicing privately at your home training rink
Surely the feedback you get at competition is more valuable then hiding away at your rink where there is no urgency to perform the best and your faults aren't going to be picked up as much. Running though your program in practice isn't the same and considering the fact that the US ladies are known for being great in practice but failing in actual competition one would think actual competition is the best way to toughen up
Ashley has become resistant to competing excessively. She skips 4CC every year because it will reduce her training time for Worlds. This year, nationals is sooner so that means the time between the GPF and nationals is much shorter. Competing in Asia really wears her out. Which is why she mentioned it was the difference between having five weeks to train and three weeks.
I agree that she needs to compete more to work out the kinks in her program and get used to the changes. Nationals in itself will be a good place to practice her programs. But we’ll see how everything unfolds first. First she had to qualify. It won’t be easy at all.
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My two cents on Mirai, before we rush right on through the glow of what she accomplished at NHK. I think she made a huge stride forward. In both her SP and her FS, she created an energy that I hadn't seen before. Up till now, she just seemed to be concentrating so hard on the jumps that any possible expression unrelated to jumping was a lost cause. But this week-end, while she didn't let up on attacking her jumps, she communicated something more. Hard to articulate just what. But at least there was some enthusiasm for linking the performance of the jumps with performance of the program as a whole.
I didn't get what she was trying to express, particularly with her face in the SP. It didn't seem to have anything to do with the music. But never mind. She's taking steps, and every step counts. Wakaba Higuchi said she isn't presently putting a 3A in her program because when she tries that, she finds it difficult to concentrate on her other jumping passes. Mirai's not going to worry about that, seemingly. Just forging on ahead. Both attitudes have merit, IMO. Mirai seems to be going on the idea that she has nothing to lose.
I didn't get what she was trying to express, particularly with her face in the SP. It didn't seem to have anything to do with the music. But never mind. She's taking steps, and every step counts. Wakaba Higuchi said she isn't presently putting a 3A in her program because when she tries that, she finds it difficult to concentrate on her other jumping passes. Mirai's not going to worry about that, seemingly. Just forging on ahead. Both attitudes have merit, IMO. Mirai seems to be going on the idea that she has nothing to lose.
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Gracie, Mirai, and......
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There are three ladies who can get an olympic medal from the US if they sakte well - Ashley, Karen and Gracie. Ironically, all are capable of imploding and possibly being out of the top ten. Mirai has show potential but one has to think she has had so many chances to show her stuff and the UR's and performance levels aren't always there forget the triple axel. As for Ashley wanting an olympic medal - I think everyone does. If she makes the team one would think she will skate in the team event and get a medal of some sort. As of Cup of China none of these American ladies have shown they really want to be Queen Bee. It is one big mess. Karen? Ashley? Mirai? Mariah and Polina E have not looked good and if anything their weaknesses are showing - yes Polina is recovering from injury but still. not good. I am really curious how is Gracie truly doing - she can't be inspired by Patrick so maybe Nathan? Of course, it is most important she get better - competing is secondary imho. Ironically it is an olympic year and no one seems to really want it.
I agree! The emotion she showed in the short didn't seem like part of a story but I was just happily surprised to see Mirai finally giving some face! It felt like she was trying to amp herself up to me more fierce and determined. It definitely seemed to work for her. I say, whatever it takes . . .
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Our triple axel ladies: Tonya Harding, and Mirai Nagasu!
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Ashley.
Kimmie Meissner landed one at Nationals.
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that one broke my heart.
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Today one of the commentators said that any double footed landing is a mandatory minus 2 in the GOE. Mandatory. And this is my bee in my bonnet, but if a UR that can only be determined for sure by slow motion camera has a mandatory 30% reduction in base value of the jump or the whole combination, then certainly a two-footed jump should have a mandatory deduction. Even beyond that, you and I disagree. I don't think she was underscored.
Nope. Third US lady. Tanya, Kimmie and Marai.
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Realistically, that is very unlikely to happen. She will have trouble beating any of the Russians. What Caro showed this weekend wasn't near her best but probably would still beat anything Ashley puts out. Kaetlyn could skate well and doesn't have rotation issues. Whoever Japan sends will also be skating well enough to challenge for podium spots.
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I recognize that expression. That's Mirai's natural "I'm so pumped! I just nailed my elements!" expression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PM-BmxxrH4&t=3m06s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PM-BmxxrH4&t=2m46s
She does it in her Demons program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl8z-QIBonY&t=2m47s
She's also does it in her Winner Takes All program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug22lRtEgZE&t=4m48s
It's only noticeable because
she hasn't had reason to use the "I'm so pumped! I nailed all my elements!" facial expression in ... a long while But Mirai just beat Satako and Honga at NHK. Based on the previous GP, it doesn't look like Japan will challenge for a ladies spot either.
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Don't we want athletes who are trying to win the competition?
Do we want athletes who are NOT trying to win the competition?
Ashley is realistic about herself and relentlessly self-critical. She also believes in herself and in her skating. She wants to show in competition what she knows she's capable of doing, and what she knows she does in practice.
Gallant and courageous. That's what I call Ashley Wagner. And what she's doing is difficult. Sitting back to evaluate an athlete's chances on the strength of what they've done before isn't difficult at all. It's armchair easy.
International competition, I believe yes!
Good to see someone pushing the envelope, although ultimately I have to ask whether it is netting her any real points advantage. Kinda hard to see any at this point
but more power to her regardless.I suppose for Wagner, it'll depend on how she does at SA. It just occurred to me that a couple of the other US ladies might end up doing secondary December comps after all (Senior B?)...I suppose that's an option for her. I personally think she should embrace opportunities to compete just a little bit more (I do understand her skipping 4CC though, given its proximity to Nats).
