2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

[Yatagarasu]

but with the projected healing time frame, he'll be completely healed in 4 weeks (if not earlier).

Actually it's less than that.

Both Yuzuru, and Yoshiko Kobayashi (JSF) have said that it is 10 days of complete rest, so off ice, and then after that it will take 3-4 weeks to get back to pre-NHK form [x]. That's the plan of course, but going by that, it's pretty much within the window to Nationals.


As for Japanese Nationals, no, you do not have to participate, in order to go to the Worlds or Olympics. First spot goes to the National Champion, and that's it. The other two are decided based on other criteria.

 

[shine]

It was on japanese TV, you couldn't quite understand it, and japanese TV translated/subtitled it. I assume rabbit1234 is japanese, or at least speaks fluent japanese as they call Japanese nationals 'all Japan' which is the japanese name.



My gut feeling says it's going to be Nathan Chen. And I say that as someone who wants your gut feeling to turn out to be correct.

You say this so often that I'm starting to think you are trying to reverse jinx him

Uno fell on two 3A at the Olympic ice rink in 4CC. Usually skaters will do the same in the Olympic ice rink as they did at the test event. The test events often act as a good reference for the Olympic.
So I think there is a high chance Uno will fall 2 times at the Olympic. And there is a high chance Uno will be off podium at the Olympic.

I can't tell if this supposed to be a satiric comment or?

 

[4everchan]

I know this is a discussion board where we all discuss any and all possibilities. It makes it fun.

But let's get real.

Hanyu is going to the Olympics, whether he skates another competition or not until then.

The only exception would be if his injury is so severe that he acknowledges that he is unable to compete.

But NO WAY will the Japanese Fed leave him off the team otherwise.

yes... I agree with this. He will be at the Olympics, skating or not at Nationals... but we are just responding to the fact that he really wants to be at his Nationals.

 

[MaiKatze]

You say this so often that I'm starting to think you are trying to reverse jinx him


I can't tell if this supposed to be a satiric comment or?

I have no such powers. :con2:

 

[beki]

My heart stays with Yuzu always, but if there has to be a spoiler, I'd rather it be Mikhail Kolyada. I like to go with a GOE skater and Uno and Chen are not there yet in my eyes. Obviously they're capable of winning though.

Yuzu also isn't the kind of person you can count out until the very end. He's been through worse than this. It's proven that he can struggle and come back.

 

[Ender]

I can't tell if this supposed to be a satiric comment or?

I am serious. If people want some references how a skater will skate at the Olympic, look at how they did in the test skate in the same ice rink.
Kulik did well in the test late event before the Olympic. One year later he did well in the same rink and won.
Lysacek did well in the same ice rink in the test skate, and one year later he did well to win Olympic.
Yuna Kim fell on the 3lo at 4CC but did well to win, one year later she ditched the 3lo, skate cleanly and won Olympic in the same rink.

Of course I am just saying to use the test skate as a reference. But I am serious.

 

[rabbit1234]

Please , may you share your source?
thanks!

Mr.Sunday×hero's　4/2/2017 fuji television

https://tvtopic.goo.ne.jp/kansai/program/ktv/73253/585281/
Uno shoma recorded a high score of 319.31 in total. At that time,
Hanyu was talking to Patrick Chan behind the scenes , "I do not want to go nationals."

Audio is hard to hear, but this is the video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5h20eu
8:55～

 

[MRani]

I am serious. If people want some references how a skater will skate at the Olympic, look at how they did in the test skate in the same ice rink.
Kulik did well in the test late event before the Olympic. One year later he did well in the same rink and won.
Lysacek did well in the same ice rink in the test skate, and one year later he did well to win Olympic.
Yuna Kim fell on the 3lo at 4CC but did well to win, one year later she ditched the 3lo, skate cleanly and won Olympic in the same rink.

Of course I am just saying to use the test skate as a reference. But I am serious.

So...Mai Mihara for Olympic champion?

 

[Ender]

So...Mai Mihara for Olympic champion?

Medvedeva, Zagitova and others European ladies didn’t skate at 4CC last season.

There is a high chance Mihara will skate cleanly at Olympic if she is chosen by JSF. And Nagasu might do well at the Olympic if she is chosen for he olympic team. But will they win the Olympic is another matter, frankly they won’t win the Olympic if even if they don’t make mistakes, as at 4CC they didn’t face off with the Russians and Kostner who if skate well will score higher than them.

I would say it’s not about superstition but more about human psychology. It’s a place they did well one year before, so their unconscious mind work well in the mood one year later, of course if they’re healthy.

Nathan Chen has high chance of skating ok at the Olympic as he did quite ok last season at 4CC.

 

[Bcash]

Of course he'll be healed by the Olympics, if not by Japanese nationals.
The bigger problem is will this injury disrupt his training enough to cause him to be in less than ideal condition for the Olympics.

 

[rabbit1234]

Medvedeva, Zagitova and others European ladies didn’t skate at 4CC last season.

There is a high chance Mihara will skate cleanly at Olympic if she is chosen by JSF. And Nagasu might do well at the Olympic if she is chosen for he olympic team. But will they win the Olympic is another matter, frankly they won’t win the Olympic if even if they don’t make mistakes, as at 4CC they didn’t face off with the Russians and Kostner who if skate well will score higher than them.

I would say it’s not about superstition but more about human psychology. It’s a place they did well one year before, so their unconscious mind work well in the mood one year later, of course if they’re healthy.

Nathan Chen has high chance of skating ok at the Olympic as he did quite ok last season at 4CC.

Takahasi was the pre-Olympic GPF champion held at the Sochi Olympics venue.
Mao Asada was also the winner of the pre-Olympic GPF held at the Sochi Olympic venue.

 

[Interspectator]

--There seem to be a lot of partial quotations and semi-translations of articles, so for things to be clear, here are two translations of Yuzuru Hanyu's comments regarding his injury and plans going forward.

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/167400551039/yuzuru-hanyu-comment-jsf-supplementary-from
Here Hanyu's full comments as well as citation. http://www.asahi.com/articles/SDI201711127125.html

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/167403206344/yuzuru-hanyu-2017-1112-1st-exclusive-interview
News article: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20171112/k10011220901000.html

 

[rabbit1234]

--There seem to be a lot of partial quotations and semi-translations of articles, so for things to be clear, here are two translations of Yuzuru Hanyu's comments regarding his injury and plans going forward.

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/167400551039/yuzuru-hanyu-comment-jsf-supplementary-from
Here Hanyu's full comments as well as citation. http://www.asahi.com/articles/SDI201711127125.html

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/167403206344/yuzuru-hanyu-2017-1112-1st-exclusive-interview
News article: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20171112/k10011220901000.html

The doctor prescribed 10 days of complete rest and quiet. It looks like I will take 3-4 weeks after that to return to my original form, but that is as yet just a plan.

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14/11/2017 　　　KAWAKITA SHIPOU Newspapers from Hanyu's birthplace

Hanyu had high fever on 8th November.
Hanyu was not in perfect condition and came to practice inside.
The accident happened shortly after his coach called "Health condition is OK?"
Hanyu has damaged the right ankle ligament by falling with an unstable 4Lz challenged for the first time at the October Russian Cup and succeeding.
His coach also says "hanyu hurt his right knee".

Hanyu commented, "I want to go to all Japan." However, it is necessary to make a difficult judgment as to whether he can participate in all Japan.

 

[charlotte14]

Takahasi was the pre-Olympic GPF champion held at the Sochi Olympics venue.
Mao Asada was also the winner of the pre-Olympic GPF held at the Sochi Olympic venue.

It is not about the medal they won at the test skate, it is mostly about what did they show. They might skate well but there was no big rival there in the test skate, the result might be different at the Olympic depends on the other skaters being there.

Yuna Kim was not at GPF 2012, thus Mao Asada did not suffer pressure, it was an easy won for her, and she did get UR calls and pop a jump. At Olympic, more or less she had 2 mistakes and lost because others did better than her.

Takahashi did mess a bit at GPF 2012, he won mostly because the other skaters messed more. And Takahashi's Gold at GPF 2012 was up to debate. Some people thought he did not deserve to win GPF 2012. At Olympic, his performance was more or less the same as at GPF 2012. But others did better than him and won medals over him.

The point that Ender was making is, the performance skaters showed at the test skate can be a good reference of how they might do in the same arena, under Olympic pressure. It is not a clear indication of the podium.

 

[rabbit1234]

Both Takahashi and Asada messed more or less their GPF, they won mostly because the other skaters messed more. And Takahashi's Gold at GPF 2012 was up to debate. Some people thought he did not deserve to win GPF 2012.

It should be discussed based on the results of objective competition.

 

[charlotte14]

It should be discussed based on the results of objective competition.

Olympic is weird. Let's face it.

Winning every competitions right before Olympic does not say much.

Mao Asada won everything in Olympic 2014 season, but bombed right at the Olympic.

No one said the skaters who won the test skates would win the Olympic a year later. The point is the performance at the test skates can be a good reference for the Olympic. Same arena, same weather, same feelings and all.

All 3 medalists at Sochi aka Adelina Sonitkova, Yuna Kim, Kostner were not at GPF 2012. Mao Asada did win GPF 2012 but she lost to all 3 of them at the Olympic, and none of the ladies at GPF 2012 place high at Sochi Olympic.

European skaters can not compete at 4CC, so it is not like you can say 4CC winners would win Olympic. Just good references for what they might do.

 

[rabbit1234]

Many past examples show that pre-Olympic results often do not lead to Olympic results.

Ashley Wagner of the pre-Olympic silver medalist, what was the result at the Sochi Olympics?

 

[charlotte14]

Many past examples show that pre-Olympic results often do not lead to Olympic results.

And many past examples have shown that the performances at the test skate might be similar to the performances at the Olympic. Some places are just lucky for some certain skaters. Like Osaka is a very good place for Voronov. He got a medal at NHK Osaka 2014, and now just won NHK Osaka again.

 

[rabbit1234]

And many past examples have shown that the performances at the test skate might be similar to the performances at the Olympic. Some places are just lucky for some certain skaters. Like Osaka is a very good place for Voronov. He got a medal at NHK Osaka 2014, and now just won NHK Osaka again.

Venues and links differ between Osaka City and Kadoma City.

 

[charlotte14]

Venues and link differ between Osaka City and Kadoma City.

Osaka is a lucky place for Voronov.

Just like German is unlucky for me lol. It happens.