2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

[rabbit1234]

2016-2017 season score average
290.72 Yuzuru HANYU
288.63 Javier FERNANDEZ
287.27 Shoma UNO
278.53 Nathan CHEN
274.96 Boyang JIN
270.88 Patrick CHAN


2016-2017 season（2016) score average
282.36 Javier FERNANDEZ
279.75 Yuzuru HANYU
276.46 Shoma UNO
268.25 Nathan CHEN
265.54 Patrick CHAN
261.81 Boyang JIN


2016-2017 season（2017) score average
303.13 Shoma UNO
303.10 Yuzuru HANYU
298.02 Javier FERNANDEZ
294.23 Nathan CHEN
281.23 Boyang JIN
279.87 Patrick CHAN


2017-2018 Season score average

310.47 Shoma UNO
284.42 Nathan CHEN
279.51 Yuzuru HANYU
266.07 Javier FERNANDEZ
261.69 Mikhail KOLYADA
260.63 Max AARON
260.51 Jason BROWN
258.54 Boyang JIN
257.14 Han YAN
253.34 Vincent ZHOU
250.76 Misha GE
250.26 Moris KVITELASHVILI
249.88 Adam RIPPON
245.70 Patrick CHAN
242.34 Jorik HENDRICKX
241.83 Nam NGUYEN
231.87 Alexander SAMARIN

The situation has changed little by little with time.
Of course, hanyu and Nathan are not as it is.
He will score a score far above 300 with the NHK trophy.
The battle will become intense.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Yuzuru just took a hard fall in practice on a quad lutz. All the men are going to break their ankles before olympics from trying all these quads.

 

[Latremu]

Ugh. This season sort of sucks.

 

[da96103]

2017/2018 GP PHASE QUAD PROGRESS

NEW UPDATE (after NHK)

NHK
Dmitri Aliev: 4Lz carrot fall
Adam Rippon: 4Lz carrot

CUP OF CHINA
No quad progress

SKATE CANADA
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz (in combination +3T) GOE +0.11.
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz GOE +2.00. Alexander becomes the 8th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen, Zhou, Kolyada and Hanyu)
Keegan Messing: 4Lz double carrot fall

ROSTELECOM CUP
Yuzuru Hanyu: 4Lz +GOE 1.14 Yuzuru becomes the 7th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen, Zhou and Kolyada) He now has 4 different non-axel quads, missing 4F.
Dmitri Aliev: 4Lz carrot fall



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2017/2018 Pre-GP Quad Progress

US CLASSIC
Nathan Chen: 4Lo GOE +1.60 Nathan becomes the fourth person to do the 4Lo (after Krasnozhon, Hanyu and Uno)*. This also means Nathan has successfully executed all 5 non-axel quads. Will be awaiting for all five to appear in one long program.
Yaroslav Paniot: 4F GOE +1.00 Yaroslav becomes the third person to do the 4F (after Uno and Nathan)
Daniel Samohin: 4Lo carrot fall
*Nic Nadeau has landed 4Lo at Canadian Nationals 2017 earlier.

LOMBARDIA
Shoma Uno: 4S GOE +0.80 Shoma also successfully executed his first 5-quad program. He now has 4 different non-axel quads, missing 4Lz.

AUTUMN CLASSIC
No new quads

ONDREJ NEPELA
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz carrot fall
Mikhail Kolyada: 4Lz fall
Mikhail Kolyada: 4Lz GOE +2.00 Mikhail becomes the 6th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen and Zhou)**. He now has three different non-axel quads, missing 4F and 4Lo.
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz double carrot fall
** Dmitri Aliev and Alexander Samarin have landed 4Lz's in domestic competitions.

NEBELHORN
No new quads

[COLOR="#00800"]FINLANDIA
Vincent Zhou: 4F (in combination +3T) GOE +0.50.
Vincent Zhou: 4F solo GOE +1.17
Vincent becomes the 4th person to do the 4F (after Uno, Chen and Paniot). He now has 4 different non-axel quads, missing 4Lo.
Adam Rippon: 4Lz carrot fall
Kevin Reynolds: 4Lo double carrot[/COLOR]

MINSK-ARENA ICE STARS
No quad progress

So that's it folks. If I am missing someone in the seniors or those in the junior competition, please let me know.

 

[rabbit1234]

hanyu was diagnosed as collateral ligaments injury of the right ankle．
The time when Hanyu's injuries are totally overwhelmed has not been announced.
hanyu says he wishes to appear in the National at the end of December.

In Japan's selection criteria, it is essential to participate in the National in principle．
Therefore, Hanyu is supposed to want to make it in time for the National.

Hanyu arrived in Osaka from Toronto on the 7th night.
According to the explanation of Hanyu's coach, Hanyu had a fever on the 8th and was absent from practicing.
Hanyu was also absent from official practice on the 9th morning.
Hanyu came out for official practice in the afternoon.
Hanyu, in the practice of the afternoon, the quad was not doing well, falling twice at 4Lo, 4S pops out, etc.
Hanyu is trying to force 4Lz to forcibly while he is not feeling well, so he seems to have been injured．
As the number of quads increases and the risk of injury increases, competitors may also need to be careful with physical condition management.

Latest comments by hanyu
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20171112-00000065-dal-spo

"Thank you for always cheering Thank you for your continued support this time, I am sorry for everyone's concern.
The doctor said absolutely rest for ten days.
I think that I will return to the normal condition in 3 or 4 weeks afterwards.
However, that is only a plan. "

"I will do my best to treat and rehabilitate in time to catch up with the National, I will do my best to make good performance in National .
Please continue your favors towards consideration so that I can concentrate on rehabilitation and practice. "

http://www.chunichi.co.jp/chuspo/article/sports/news/CK2017111302000032.html

More detailed article here

It is the content that hanyu was eager to participate in the national, and a schedule was made accordingly.

 

[giulia95]

hanyu was diagnosed as collateral ligaments injury of the right ankle．
The time when Hanyu's injuries are totally overwhelmed has not been announced.
hanyu says he wishes to appear in the National at the end of December.

In Japan's selection criteria, it is essential to participate in the National in principle．
Therefore, Hanyu is supposed to want to make it in time for the National.

Please may you clarify what does essential mean ? Does it mean if Hanyu has to WD due to injury there's the possibility he won't be selected for Olys?
thanks in advance!

 

[blackey]

^ I really don't think he has to go to National.
He didn't go last year and of course they still send him to worlds. I'm not sure about the specific rule but the Japanese media had lots of buzz about Hanyu's "speical spot" aka he is going to the olympics no matter what. Also Japan just don't have a very deep men field compare to four years ago. Really no need to worry, the only thing would stop him from going to the Olympics is his own health.

 

[rabbit1234]

hanyu was diagnosed as collateral ligaments injury of the right ankle．
The time when Hanyu's injuries are totally overwhelmed has not been announced.
hanyu says he wishes to appear in the National at the end of December.

In Japan's selection criteria, it is essential to participate in the National in principle．
Therefore, Hanyu is supposed to want to make it in time for the National.

Please may you clarify what does essential mean ? Does it mean if Hanyu has to WD due to injury there's the possibility he won't be selected for Olys?
thanks in advance!

This is the selection criterion.
http://www.skatingjapan.or.jp/image_...Senkokijun.pdf

* Participation in the All-Japan Championship which is the final selection committee is essential.
However, if players with proven record of winning within the third place of the World Championships in the past were unable to participate in the All Japan Championship due to injury or other reasons, considering the past record and the state of injury at the Olympics, There are cases to select.

In this way, since participation in all Japan is required in principle, hanyu seems to be eager to participate in all Japan.

 

[giulia95]

thank you so much for the replays

 

[rabbit1234]

I think figure skating is a sport largely dependent on mental. I think that we can not talk about competitor without such consideration, including what kind of noise and pressure are there around.
Sometimes winning at an important competition can be a pressure. Sometimes it is confident.
I think that it is figure skating including such things. I think that figure skating is fun because there is a human drama.


In the United States and Europe, I hear that the popularity of figure skating is decreasing. There are quotations such as ratings of United States Figure Skating Championships that Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan fought.
I do not think that their conflict was good, but that kind of drama may be missing.
In Japan it may be the reason that there is such a drama is popular.

Especially, hanyu is a competitor that changes such a thing to power, sometimes chooses a strategy which is not the best.
You can not tell a male figure without a background.

Personally, I think that Hanyu should not go to all Japan, and I think that it is best to give priority to cure.
I think that the time to all Japan is too short.
However, Hanyu is such a personality, he will want to participate in all Japan.
I do not know if that is the best for the Olympics.

 

[4everchan]

Perhaps Hanyu wants to participate because he had the flu last year... and would like to head to the Olympics as reigning Japanese Champion, over Shoma.

He certainly would like to be seen as Japan's top male skater, not enter the game as Japanese #2, behind a potential Shoma Uno, two times Japanese champion...

I personally agree that he should rest and take his time to heal.

I also would like to point out that a bunch of us said he shouldn't bother with the 4lutz.... even with 4s and 4t he was scoring higher. Sometimes, Hanyu's desire to go beyond and further goes against him. Perhaps, this time, he will take his time to heal and sacrifice some of his content. He doesn't need it to win, as we have seen.

 

[rabbit1234]

Perhaps Hanyu wants to participate because he had the flu last year... and would like to head to the Olympics as reigning Japanese Champion, over Shoma.

He certainly would like to be seen as Japan's top male skater, not enter the game as Japanese #2, behind a potential Shoma Uno, two times Japanese champion...

I personally agree that he should rest and take his time to heal.

I also would like to point out that a bunch of us said he shouldn't bother with the 4lutz.... even with 4s and 4t he was scoring higher. Sometimes, Hanyu's desire to go beyond and further goes against him. Perhaps, this time, he will take his time to heal and sacrifice some of his content. He doesn't need it to win, as we have seen.

hanyu says, "I can not perform like my own without trying."
Regarding 4Lz, I think that it will lead to further injury and that he should quit.
However, shoma and Nathan have more than 330 points of potential, so I think 4Lo is necessary.

In the greenroom of ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2017, hanyu said to Patrick "I do not want to go to the National" after acting shoma. As Patrick asked, "Because you do not want to fight shoma," Hanyu nodded.
Now that hanyu missed the GPF, hanyu wants to fight shoma in all Japan.
shoma is now one of the top competitors, if hanyu defeats him, hanyu can impress the favor of the Olympics after injury.

 

[Ares]

I have a gut feeling that Shoma Uno will be the Olympic Champion in Pyeong Chang. It's not what I want to happen though. His quad jumps are painful to watch as well as more or less cheated. Quad Flip is ugly, but his quadruple prerotated flutz with overrotated landing is like the ugliest (landed) quadruple jump ever and I say that as someone who actually likes Uno (he interprets music wonderfully, and his cantilever is breathtaking).

 

[4everchan]

hanyu says, "I can not perform like my own without trying."
Regarding 4Lz, I think that it will lead to further injury and that he should quit.
However, shoma and Nathan have more than 330 points of potential, so I think 4Lo is necessary.

In the greenroom of ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2017, hanyu said to Patrick "I do not want to go to the National" after acting shoma. As Patrick asked, "Because you do not want to fight shoma," Hanyu nodded.
Now that hanyu missed the GPF, hanyu wants to fight shoma in all Japan.
shoma is now one of the top competitors, if hanyu defeats him, hanyu can impress the favor of the Olympics after injury.

Was it the world team trophy that hanyu did not want to attend? but other than that you are correct

 

[giulia95]

In the greenroom of ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2017, hanyu said to Patrick "I do not want to go to the National" after acting shoma. As Patrick asked, "Because you do not want to fight shoma," Hanyu nodded.
.

Please , may you share your source?

thanks!

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I personally agree that he should rest and take his time to heal.

I also would like to point out that a bunch of us said he shouldn't bother with the 4lutz.... even with 4s and 4t he was scoring higher. Sometimes, Hanyu's desire to go beyond and further goes against him. Perhaps, this time, he will take his time to heal and sacrifice some of his content. He doesn't need it to win, as we have seen.

Good to know that you can take his misfortune to pat yourself on the shoulder and be proud how right you were. Figure Skating is a dangerous sport though, and injuries happen - without 4Lutzes as well.

And why "perphaps this time he'll take his time to heal"? I don't get the feeling that you've checked much about the injury news either tbh, but with the projected healing time frame, he'll be completely healed in 4 weeks (if not earlier). Which means, all going well, he'll simply be fit & fully healed by nationals. Doesn't seem to be a possibility inlcuded in your remarks.

 

[MaiKatze]

Please , may you share your source?

thanks!

It was on japanese TV, you couldn't quite understand it, and japanese TV translated/subtitled it. I assume rabbit1234 is japanese, or at least speaks fluent japanese as they call Japanese nationals 'all Japan' which is the japanese name.

I have a gut feeling that Shoma Uno will be the Olympic Champion in Pyeong Chang. It's not what I want to happen though. His quad jumps are painful to watch as well as more or less cheated. Quad Flip is ugly, but his quadruple prerotated flutz with overrotated landing is like the ugliest (landed) quadruple jump ever and I say that as someone who actually likes Uno (he interprets music wonderfully, and his cantilever is breathtaking).

My gut feeling says it's going to be Nathan Chen. And I say that as someone who wants your gut feeling to turn out to be correct.

 

[4everchan]

Good to know that you can take his misfortune to pat yourself on the shoulder and be proud how right you were. Figure Skating is a dangerous sport though, and injuries happen - without 4Lutzes as well.

And why "perphaps this time he'll take his time to heal"? I don't get the feeling that you've checked much about the injury news either tbh, but with the projected healing time frame, he'll be completely healed in 4 weeks (if not earlier). Which means, all going well, he'll simply be fit & fully healed by nationals. Doesn't seem to be a possibility inlcuded in your remarks.

But that is what happens when you extract just some part of my comment to try to fault me. i have mentioned that yuzu will want to be at nationals. So i am expecting him to be ready by then. I also read the 4 weeks delay but these injuries can take longer and returning to quads even longer. So that was the sense of my comment in wishing him to take all the time to heal in order to be competitive at the games. Caution can go a long way. And yes, injuries can happen plenty of ways but risk and reward should not only be understood in terms of base value and goe. It should be understood also about health versus injury. I wish yuzuru a complete recovery.

 

[TontoK]

I know this is a discussion board where we all discuss any and all possibilities. It makes it fun.

But let's get real.

Hanyu is going to the Olympics, whether he skates another competition or not until then.

The only exception would be if his injury is so severe that he acknowledges that he is unable to compete.

But NO WAY will the Japanese Fed leave him off the team otherwise.

 

[Ender]

I have a gut feeling that Shoma Uno will be the Olympic Champion in Pyeong Chang. It's not what I want to happen though. His quad jumps are painful to watch as well as more or less cheated. Quad Flip is ugly, but his quadruple prerotated flutz with overrotated landing is like the ugliest (landed) quadruple jump ever and I say that as someone who actually likes Uno (he interprets music wonderfully, and his cantilever is breathtaking).

Uno fell on two 3A at the Olympic ice rink in 4CC. Usually skaters will do the same in the Olympic ice rink as they did at the test event. The test events often act as a good reference for the Olympic.
So I think there is a high chance Uno will fall 2 times at the Olympic. And there is a high chance Uno will be off podium at the Olympic.