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I was trying not to think about it....Now I have something in my eyes
Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir
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I was trying not to think about it....Now I have something in my eyes
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right? Every time I see this whole discussion about politicking between Tessa/Scott and French team positions/chances/scores/who will lowball who in the panel etc., I take a breath, step aside and think that we could not have them even still in competition to admire and cherish, if not for their personal willingness to do it again. To do it despite all critique, accusations, condemnation, hate, toxicity expressed towards them by lots of people. To do it with such style, maintaining top shape, skill, integrity of performance, moving equally big number of people.
I'm simply grateful for those 2 seasons more of great dancing, amazing performances, palpable emotion, sizzling connection, great choreographies, all K'n'C moments, all exhibitions, all scores, missed levels, stumbles, the overall build of their programs, help they got from Marie-France and Patrice and a lot more...I'm grateful that they are doing themselves for their last competitive season, not really trying to dress and impress as someone else - I hope they will embrace everything that is coming to them. They are stepping on ice to get out the best of them, the best out of their bodies, the best out of their material, they are not going to judge themselves, this is simply out of reach. Lots of focus and fun out there for both of them and evaluating the results with cool head.
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V/M are simply art on ice (which I don't understand how some users see otherwise) and knowing that this will be their last GP is saddening to me as well. because they have been together so long it's hard to imagine them ever stopping. We get used to seeing them compete. I will shed tears at the end of there Olympic FD because that's probably going to be the last time we will see them preform competitivialy unless they choose to stick around for worlds. Which I don't know if they will probably not.
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Wow! Isn't this banner for Tessa and Scott at NHK just wonderful?!!! :luv17:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOI8046V4AAObKF?format=jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOI8046V4AAObKF?format=jpg
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blueberryhill can we be sure that banner wasn't the result of your awesome PS skills? 
This podcast with David Wilson starts off with a discussion about how the Moulin Rouge FD came together.
http://www.openkwongdore.com/2017/11/07/episode-42-david-wilson/
Some NHK promotion with our duo: https://twitter.com/mari_undeux12/status/928390431599030272
This podcast with David Wilson starts off with a discussion about how the Moulin Rouge FD came together.
http://www.openkwongdore.com/2017/11/07/episode-42-david-wilson/
Some NHK promotion with our duo: https://twitter.com/mari_undeux12/status/928390431599030272
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Haha, I WISH that was my work!blueberryhill can we be sure that banner wasn't the result of your awesome PS skills?
Besides, according to google I am currently 9,274 kms away from Osaka. It's really a testament to V/M's MAGIC that fans would go to such incredible lengths to show their appreciation for their skating. :agree:
Awesome SD despite Scott’s stumble at the end of the twizzles! Even with the mistake at the end, those twizzles were looking really, really strong. Would have been a record again had not been for that stumble/step (one point more for level 4 and surely 0.7-0.8 more in GOE at least). I really hope they can bring it again tomorrow. I just love the passion, power and delicacy they show in the MR FD. Go Tessa and Scott!!
Edit: With twizzles like those in Skate Canada, the score would have been around 82.80 which is huuuge!
Edit: With twizzles like those in Skate Canada, the score would have been around 82.80 which is huuuge!
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watched it live on my laptop and re-watched now - I am quite amazed how they maintain such sharp integrity and boldness of concept performance after performance, it's the same intense impression watching it time after time. And this is such 'loud' concept and aesthetic of the dance, yet their personalities, characters, way of interpretation of rhythm/music are shining through so brightly: the dance, choreography itself is put so well together, is so well-thought, but it get the right shape, feel and dimension only performed by them both. Despite the stumble, my impression is that this was the best presentation in terms of connection between them and chemistry put on display in movement: I love those little touches in partial step sequence, eye contact, hand gestures and bodies flow in synch after pattern and right before lift. And perfect GOE on their money non-touching step sequence - so close together, so deep on knee bend, erfect isolations on upper body parts, finishing of movement, control of blade work, Tessa's stop followed by samba action, tempo changes reflected in movement - pure genius, quality on the highest level, but still with flirt, fun vibe, easy as you like.
And I'm still living for those ballroom references incorporated within that dance so fluidly - there is never a question mark what they are doing, more like exclamation marks to say 'look at us, we are owning this', done with attack and polish. Tessa is a class on their own and I bet she could give some run for their money to few ballroom dancers - her overall body movement and expression of the rhythm is world class. Scott is a perfect frame and companion to that - great to see him enjoying this dance that much and putting a great, fierce attitude with sparkle
Still amazes me this continously great quality and polsh of performance after two year break and so many years together - this is experience taken on another level and journey, to the happiness of so many people.
And I'm still living for those ballroom references incorporated within that dance so fluidly - there is never a question mark what they are doing, more like exclamation marks to say 'look at us, we are owning this', done with attack and polish. Tessa is a class on their own and I bet she could give some run for their money to few ballroom dancers - her overall body movement and expression of the rhythm is world class. Scott is a perfect frame and companion to that - great to see him enjoying this dance that much and putting a great, fierce attitude with sparkle
Still amazes me this continously great quality and polsh of performance after two year break and so many years together - this is experience taken on another level and journey, to the happiness of so many people.
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Oh my god they were lowballed. WHY are there perfomance scores dropping? Can the didier just give P/C the gold medal already so we won't have to suffer such heartbreak again? I AM LIVID RIGHT NOW. I AM BEYOND PISSED. ****** didier.
They were so beautiful again in NHK Trophy. I love their programs so much. I will ask something and hope you don't misunderstand me. Although I love PC, I don't understand how Tessa and Scott's score less than theirs. Is it something changeable from competition to competition. I really want VM to win the Olympics but it is a little scary for me because PC already break the 200.
Bahar - it is changeable. It doesn't only depend on the quality of their overall performance and execution of separate elements at each event, but also on the panel of judges and the technical panel at each event. This time the technical panel gave them exactly the same levels/base value as P/C had at the Cup of China, but this specific judging panel was more cautious/chary with the PCS - and not only for them (H/D also got much lower PCS than at Skate Canada, and C/L could probably get higher PCS with a different judging panel as well). Also, Scott made a mistake in twizzles in the SD that he did not make at Skate Canada and most likely won't make in the next competitions, and Tessa made a slight mistake in the diagonal step sequence of the FD which probably prevented them getting level 4 on it, and definitely prevented them getting higher GOE (on it). So that's what they can improve to get higher scores. Finally, judges tend to judge differently when they see skaters at the same competition where the comparison is more direct.
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The one great thing is that they got another Level 4 in their FD. So they went up a level and got higher TES.
This judging panel was not free flowing with PCS so their PCS was lower. However, if this was a preview of Grand Prix Final in Nagoya then they can be prepared for tight marks. It wouldn't be fun for them to get like a 200+ score on the GP then come to GPF and have it come down because the judges are restrained markers. Now instead they can improve their score.
This judging panel was not free flowing with PCS so their PCS was lower. However, if this was a preview of Grand Prix Final in Nagoya then they can be prepared for tight marks. It wouldn't be fun for them to get like a 200+ score on the GP then come to GPF and have it come down because the judges are restrained markers. Now instead they can improve their score.
Thank you so much for answering. This really helped me.
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Hi! I'm new to this page! (I come from the Volosozhar/Trankov forum lol) I have a question and am curious about your opinions: I think that the French are wonderful, believe me, but I just don't understand why they a getting scored so much higher than V&M?? Can someone explain what I'm to seeing? I don't think there is that large of a difference in the quality that these two teams are putting out. Scores should be closer in my opinion. But I'm no expert! Maybe I'm just too much much of a Virtue & Moir fan and am biased in thinking that everything that they do is the best thing ever
For me, these two teams are on the same level. Yes, they differ in their style and personal preferences, but technically speaking they are equal.
In terms of scores and this season - V/M always competed a week before than P/C, so there is a possibility the French had more time to polish their programs. After the COC and the WRs in the FD + the overall score of the French, V/M had a chance to strike back and break another record/s at NHK. However, the made two mistakes; Scott in the short, Tessa in the free. That cost them some points and probably another WR. P/C, however, were clean in China and were the same in France this week, apart from a little twizzle bubble in the short. (I am not a technical specialist, so I cannot judge whether it did not affect the level or it should have, but did not because they competed at home.)
Many people think, and they are right, in my opinion, that we will know much more when these teams meet and that will be at the Grand Prix Final in Japan at the beginning of December. It is only discussions until then as this event in December should provide us a clearer view of which team is handling the pressure better and thus skates cleaner. Because as I already said, they are equal. At least to me.
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For me, these two teams are on the same level. Yes, they differ in their style and personal preferences, but technically speaking they are equal.
In terms of scores and this season - V/M always competed a week before than P/C, so there is a possibility the French had more time to polish their programs. After the COC and the WRs in the FD + the overall score of the French, V/M had a chance to strike back and break another record/s at NHK. However, the made two mistakes; Scott in the short, Tessa in the free. That cost them some points and probably another WR. P/C, however, were clean in China and were the same in France this week, apart from a little twizzle bubble in the short. (I am not a technical specialist, so I cannot judge whether it did not affect the level or it should have, but did not because they competed at home.)
Many people think, and they are right, in my opinion, that we will know much more when these teams meet and that will be at the Grand Prix Final in Japan at the beginning of December. It is only discussions until then as this event in December should provide us a clearer view of which team is handling the pressure better and thus skates cleaner. Because as I already said, they are equal. At least to me.
Thank you! This makes me feel better. We'll see what happens in Demcember!!
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hello cholevclem
well, about Your question...For me, it's about clear preference shown towards FD material, in Papadakis/Cizeron favour score-wise. With SD (and both programs in general), both teams geared solidly and matching their respective aesthetics, ways of expression and both teams now know how to score 80+ in this segment, which is crucial for good 'positioning' before FD. Then, if both teams were flawless or equally good in SD (in term of levels), FD will make a real difference (as it's making it even now).
So far, seeing both teams performing their FDs in challenger competition and 2 GPs, while Virtue/Moir have good scores, Papadakis/Cizeron have great scores - judges clearly respond better for French FD than 'Moulin Rouge', especially looking at GOE and PCS. I really don't want to make doom and gloom already, but it's way easier to picture shower of 10s in PCS for Gabriella/Guillaume's 'Moonlight Sonata', if performed without technical errors than same for 'Moulin Rouge' executed perfectly. Both teams are building momentum, but with French, it seems to be just on a bigger scale than Tessa/Scott - especially comparing their respective FD scores from their GP competitions (the progress in overall FD score, tech score and PCS). For me, it's incredibly discouraging to see this kind of gap in FD, especially in PCS, revealing that there is a clear judges' preference towards one type of program, one particular type of style of execution/expression - being of course in line with the music chosen and team's aesthetic - but making impossible for other team to come close to that kind of scoring standard at the same time. In short - 'Moonlight Sonata' excellence does not equal in reward 'Moulin Rouge' excellence according to judges, despite both teams being excellent per se, but excelling in different types of material. And in my opinion, it's not only Virtue/Moir's case this season as for FD material response - I'm very astonished about Hubbell/Donohue's scores, too, PCS especially (downgrade tendency comparing SC with NHK), since they seem to be in their bloom development-wise, with amazing material playing on their strengths more than ever.
It brings back 2013/14 memories when judges' minds seemed to be made up from the beginning, not really taking anything from Meryl and Charlie who did great - it's about judges' conviction over particular stuff and carrying it to the very end; all teams could try to convince judges about their material, but in the end 'judges pick' and conviction over it seems to overshadow others' trying a bit. The thing that changed since past Olympic season is Virtue/Moir's confidence, dedication and self-conviction towards material, FD especially which was their individual decision to pick and work on - I did not personally see this kind of competitive polish and panache in execution in their programs from 2013/14 season, now they seem more than ever 'in their skin', sourcing from experience, but putting it in the actual perspective, with who they are now. I personally was not an enthusiast myself over 'Moulin Rouge' choice for FD, but seeing how it grown in terms of performance, 'owning' the story with making it their own at the same time, the way they lead the emotion and build it makes sense and gives another dimension to their work and presence which I appreciate. I expected mixed reviews about it, even due to this choice alone, but it's sad to see some kind of 'apprehensiveness' regarding general response towards the program competition wise; it's like 'you're good, but not good enough' situation a bit. And it's hard to break the celling positioned way higher that your competitors.
Now, both teams seem to be for me in different places, going with different trajectory: Tessa/Scott are still building their momentum, while Gabriella/Guillaume built it pretty much already and have to carry it steadily. We will see what happens in actual competitions going forward, because ice did not stop to be slippery, but the general tendency and preference was already established and I do not see a major flip in it. All above of course is my perception of the events already happened and my intention was not to insult ANY of teams, just for the record.
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