2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

[rabbit1234]

Huh? Shoma being healthy and going to the GPF has a lot to do with Yuzu participating in the Olympics or not? Sorry, but no, it does not

1 National winner
2 Nationals second,or third or GPF competitors
3 Comparison of other competitors

When SHOMA is chosen as 2, yuzuru is more likely to be chosen by 3. If shoma plays in the GPF and performs, the yuzuru Olympic appearance will be definitive.

If shoma is missing in the GPF, shoma and yuzuru may compete for 3.
There is a possibility that it will be brought into comparison between the two people.

In that case they will compare them.

ISU World Standings
１　yuzuru
２　shoma
Seasons World Ranking 2017/18
４　shoma
24　yuzuru

Season Best Total Scores
１　shoma
３　yuzuru

 

[treeloving]

Let me remind you that Japan has 3 Olympic spots for men not 1. And both Shoma and Yuzuru will be at the Oiympic unless they are injured or JFS becomes super crazy.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

1 National winner
2 Nationals second,or third or GPF competitors
3 Comparison of other competitors

When SHOMA is chosen as 2, yuzuru is more likely to be chosen by 3. If shoma plays in the GPF and performs, the yuzuru Olympic appearance will be definitive.

If shoma is missing in the GPF, shoma and yuzuru may compete for 3.
There is a possibility that it will be brought into comparison between the two people.

In that case they will compare them.

ISU World Standings
１　yuzuru
２　shoma
Seasons World Ranking 2017/18
４　shoma
24　yuzuru

Season Best Total Scores
１　shoma
３　yuzuru

Sorry, but like others said 1.) they'd send both anyway, no matter what the rules say, because everything else would be nuts. 2.) You think they'd chose Shoma over Yuzu? I doubt it.

 

[rabbit1234]

Sorry, but like others said 1.) they'd send both anyway, no matter what the rules say, because everything else would be nuts. 2.) You think they'd chose Shoma over Yuzu? I doubt it.

That is selection criteria. It will be a controversy when comparing shoma and yuzuru.
In this situation, shoma has the number one score this season.and since it is also the only competitor in the world that exceeds 300 twice at the time of selection.

ISU World Standings
１　yuzuru
２　shoma
Seasons World Ranking 2017/18
４　 shoma
24　yuzuru

Season Best Total Scores
１　shoma
３　yuzuru

 

[Li'Kitsu]

That is selection criteria. It will be a controversy when comparing shoma and yuzuru.
In this situation, shoma has the number one score this season.and since it is also the only competitor in the world that exceeds 300 twice at the time of selection.

ISU World Standings
１　yuzuru
２　shoma
Seasons World Ranking 2017/18
４　 shoma
24　yuzuru

Season Best Total Scores
１　shoma
３　yuzuru

Yeah, you don't have to send me the same stuff twice, I remember it well. Doesn't change that it would be hardly a controversy to send the reigning Olympic & World Champion, and the reigning WR holder (like all of them. One from this season).

Moreso, the whole scenario is pointless and unnecessary to discuss in the first place. Is there any reason to assume Shoma won't be at the GPF? Any reason to assume he won't be at nationals? Yuzu is going to be fit enough to participate according to his "healing schedule" as well, and even if not 100% fit, you think he'll need the 4Lz to place top 3 at Jnats (with Shoma hypothetically out at that)?

And then, there is the point that sometimes, making exceptions, even against the rules, is the smarter thing (and would be easy here, as injuries would be the reason for missed competitions, and Shoma did qualify for the GPF as the only Jman). Yuzu & Shoma will be at the Olympics (if healthy at that time, of course) and deserve to be, even if both skip everything from here to February for whatever reason. And I'd hope nobody else comes out of this thinking there is any chance of it being otherwise.

 

[giulia95]

Undoubtdely the only way to get rid of Yuzuru Hanyu at Olys is to prevent him from partecipating for any reason , i.e. medical , admission criteria etc.

 

[rabbit1234]

Yeah, you don't have to send me the same stuff twice, I remember it well. Doesn't change that it would be hardly a controversy to send the reigning Olympic & World Champion, and the reigning WR holder (like all of them. One from this season).

Moreso, the whole scenario is pointless and unnecessary to discuss in the first place. Is there any reason to assume Shoma won't be at the GPF? Any reason to assume he won't be at nationals? Yuzu is going to be fit enough to participate according to his "healing schedule" as well, and even if not 100% fit, you think he'll need the 4Lz to place top 3 at Jnats (with Shoma hypothetically out at that)?

And then, there is the point that sometimes, making exceptions, even against the rules, is the smarter thing (and would be easy here, as injuries would be the reason for missed competitions, and Shoma did qualify for the GPF as the only Jman). Yuzu & Shoma will be at the Olympics (if healthy at that time, of course) and deserve to be, even if both skip everything from here to February for whatever reason. And I'd hope nobody else comes out of this thinking there is any chance of it being otherwise.

Now, it is a situation that no matter who gets injured or sick.
This season's situation shows that.
If shoma can successfully participate in the GPF, the two will be more likely to enter the Olympic Games.

 

[xeyra]

Now, it is a situation that no matter who gets injured or sick.
This season's situation shows that.
If shoma can successfully participate in the GPF, the two will be more likely to enter the Olympic Games.

Is there any reason why Shoma wouldn't? I mean, you started a scenario and defended it for multiple posts, based on the idea Shoma wouldn't participate in the GPF. Do you have any insider knowledge about his condition to go so far into this particular scenario? Because otherwise, it's a moot point and I don't know why you'd bother.

 

[rabbit1234]

Is there any reason why Shoma wouldn't? I mean, you started a scenario and defended it for multiple posts, based on the idea Shoma wouldn't participate in the GPF. Do you have any insider knowledge about his condition to go so far into this particular scenario? Because otherwise, it's a moot point and I don't know why you'd bother.

It is difficult for them even to determine the representative.
Especially in Japan, since National is emphasized, if there are injuries and influenza at that time, it becomes a difficult problem.

Indeed, there are relief provisions. However, if there are two competitors using relief provisions, it will be quite a difficult problem.

 

[MaiKatze]

There are 3 spots. Three. 3!!! 三! I would love to know the athletes that will be chosen if Shoma and Yuzuru won't make the cut. To not send the two men who have the highest scores recorded ever, does not make sense. It's lunacy.

 

[yude]

Let me remind you that Japan has 3 Olympic spots for men not 1. And both Shoma and Yuzuru will be at the Oiympic unless they are injured or JFS becomes super crazy.

I think Japanese people will not watch figure skating anymore if Yuzuru is not selected for the Olympics, we are not stupid

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I think Japanese people will not watch figure skating anymore if Yuzuru is not selected for the Olympics, we are not stupid

You know, I'm german and would never have the chance to go to the Olympics, but wanted to just take a look at ticket prices on the site. However, I looked ~1h after they were released, and men's was majorily sold here. None of the other categories, not Pairs while we have S/M, not the 'usual main event' ladies. Only men.

Imagine if Yuzu doesn't go the Olympics. That amount of ticket re-selling :roll9:

 

[lappo]

Same here, only the men event is sold out and we don't even have a men skaters who can be in the 10 best (ladies where we have Carolina and dance with C/L are still plenty available). It is worth notice the shift from ladies to men, has it never happened before?

 

[yude]

Imagine if Yuzu doesn't go the Olympics. That amount of ticket re-selling :roll9:

:scard7:

People around me (and on TV) are already talking about Yuzuru in the Olympics, not in the nationals. Yes, he is popular, but they also know he is good. They must feel be betrayed if JSF won't choose him (which won't happen anyway because he meets the criteria).

 

[nekun]

Yuzu once skip JNats and JSF still send him to Worlds.

Thankful Yuzu is not Shizuka or Daisuke who compete in Japan when the field in the home country were so much deep than what happen right now in the Japan men field.

I love Mura, Dice, keiji, Tomono and all, but it's so dumb to JSF part if they don't send Yuzu to Olympic if he remaind healty just becouse he skip Nats. Same with Shoma, the kid can skip Nats and still be in PyongChang by february

 

[rabbit1234]

Yuzu once skip JNats and JSF still send him to Worlds.

Thankful Yuzu is not Shizuka or Daisuke who compete in Japan when the field in the home country were so much deep than what happen right now in the Japan men field.

I love Mura, Dice, keiji, Tomono and all, but it's so dumb to JSF part if they don't send Yuzu to Olympic if he remaind healty just becouse he skip Nats. Same with Shoma, the kid can skip Nats and still be in PyongChang by february

Certainly there are remedy clauses. However, the selection criteria do not assume that the two people use remedy clauses.

 

[stormblade]

@rabbit1234 Why are you assuming both Hanyu and Uno will miss Nationals? Uno will certainly attend GPF as it is in his hometown and he isn't injured. Hanyu is injured but will certainly try to make Nationals, not because he needs to participate to win a spot but because this is his last chance to skate before Olympics and he definitely needs the competition exposure. If by some freak accident both Hanyu and Uno do not attend Nationals (and this is so far out of the realm of possibility I can't even imagine it) regardless of the lack of precedent, they are both a lock for a spot. That's how far ahead they are of the field in their country.

 

[rabbit1234]

On 22 November the Federation reported on the situation of Hanyu. According to the explanation, the timing of resuming practice was also undecided and it was not known whether to participate in the National.
The schedule is late from the initial explanation. Regarding the participation of the National, they talked about initially aiming for return in the National, but this time they explained that they do not know.
That is why shoma does not hurt is the key to selecting two people.
Even for TOPcompetitor as such, the Olympic appearance is not secure.

 

[MaiKatze]

On 22 November the Federation reported on the situation of Hanyu. According to the explanation, the timing of resuming practice was also undecided and it was not known whether to participate in the National.
The schedule is late from the initial explanation. Regarding the participation of the National, they talked about initially aiming for return in the National, but this time they explained that they do not know.
That is why shoma does not hurt is the key to selecting two people.
Even for TOPcompetitor as such, the Olympic appearance is not secure.

Clearly there are rules, rules that are for selection of the athletes. Rules that make sense, rules that are there because they are needed to decide fairly, who gets to go. I think we all agree on that point. But stubbornly holding onto these rules is not logical, when the reality is that there are no better men than Hanyu and Uno in Japan. Standing wise they are the top two men in the WORLD. No one comes NEAR them. And since there are three spots (yes, I'm a broken record) one of the second tier skater gets their ticket anyway. They can count themselves lucky for that. No need to take two other men to the Olympics who will be pressed to crack Top 20. If the japanese fed does that they are insane. It'll never happen.

 

[xeyra]

Mr. Rabbit, the controversy over JSF not sending both Yuzuru and Shoma to the Olympics would be greater than any controversy over JSF not following the letter of their 'rules'. You can relax, they'll both be sent even if your 'scenario' happens, no need to worry about it.