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I don't trust ladies doing clean quads consistently though. They can try, but the risk outweight the rewards.
2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating
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I think Sasha will land her quads in competition and I think she'll keep trying until she does. I don't expect her to stop and I do think others are going to start to join in their own pursuits.
It's likely she'll even do a 4s and 4t in the same event.
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She has to land clean and fully rotated 4S in competition first. For now she has not.
And another thing, she is very very tiny right now. Only God knows when she grows up, will she maintain such fast rotation? Maybe she will not do 3F3lo and 3lz3lo by the time she's 18 or so. Who knows.
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Historically... the MATURE lady who landed 3-3lo combo cosistently often UR them (Irina).Who knows is right!!! That's why I don't speculate even a little on that stuff.
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We could have thought the same of 3As, yet Rika has these historical performances like it's nothing.
There's a first time for everything - Including a first ladies' skater landing quads consistently, perhaps even multiple ones. It's possible it is not going to be either Trusova nor Shcherbakova, but "plan C" is looking very good at this point in time as well.
If the changes to GOE range(from -3 +3 to -5 +5) are going to be there that are going to punish falls far more significantly, I really believe that that will be the death of planned falls on quads. Really, you'd also have to be able to fully rotate them for the planned fall to truly be worthwhile(If it even is at all after these changes), something Trusova too has struggled with. By falling a UR quad, her program layout is significantly worse than if she just landed all triples and doubles with decent GOE, and the difference there is going to become even larger in the future. URing a quad and landing it, it's worth it. But regardless of a season like this that I'm sure Trusova considers mostly experimental, I don't think it's a smart decision to add a quad unless yours are in very good order and you can rotate them properly. The main thing a planned fall would allow is for you to actually replace a double jump with a quad and perform the exact same triples as before, so if you can rotate it all the time, it is still a gain. But the loss in PCS and the potentially weaker performance would likely get hurt too much for that to be worth it.
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Rika has not skated consistently with her two 3A layout though... and don't forget Mao used to land two 3A in the free skate (plus 3-3) as well... when they grow up it's another matter. The system also does not reward ladies doing difficult jumps much IMO.
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Nah I wouldn't worry about Trusova's PCS. The judges seem to like her 4S<(fall). I'm certainly excited to see the Ladies' era of quads!
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The best comparison we have is Zagitova vs Trusova because they have the same jump features, just with Trusova having a UR(for now) quad. But remember a UR does get pretty heavy negative GOE by default so you can't really have one that's "Well landed" in that sense.
Zagitova FS jump BV: 50.71
Trusova FS jump BV: 54.63
So having a UR quad while still being able to land all the 7 triples with a +3Lo combo would give you 3.92 more BV, or 4.42 more if Trusova did a 2Lo combo.
... Is that worth it? If you fall the quad that's -4 points in GOE and -1 point for the fall, which also means that you are actually below the "BV" especially if we expect some +GOE for a positive jump pass in this quad's place . Should you take the risk?
In fact, if you get around -1.5 points of GOE for the UR penalty and give up on, say, +1 GOE for a good jump pass, that only is around a 1.5 point advantage for the skater doing the quad.
I don't think a planned UR quad is the correct thing to do, especially because with UR the risk of falling is higher. IMO the quad needs to be stable for it to have a tangible benefit.
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She is able to jump a clean quad
It's just matter of time. It takes time and practice to deal with the nerves. But if you will not try it in competitions... I'm sure you will never be able to do it.
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https://youtu.be/9zK1BoP-J7E?t=17s
I do believe her quad is becoming better and better.
It's just matter of time. It takes time and practice to deal with the nerves. But if you will not try it in competitions... I'm sure you will never be able to do it.
https://j.gifs.com/MQ7Epm.gif
https://youtu.be/9zK1BoP-J7E?t=17s
I do believe her quad is becoming better and better.
she is junior. She has one more season in juniors as well. She doesn't need to win every competition she is in. It's all about future.
That’s historically. Now you have ladies of all ages including mature ladies doing 3-3
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By the way, I decided to go through these out of curiosity. Anya's quad 4T air time is around 0.5667 seconds. Trusova's quad 4T air time is around 0.6667 seconds. Anya's backloaded 3Lz air time is around 0.5333 seconds. That Tarakanova Lutz's air time is around 0.6333 seconds. Note the accuracy is limited by the amount of frames available.
Anya's rotation speed is also about 20% faster than Trusova's during their respective quads. An easy benchmark we can see is 2 full revolutions in 0.333 seconds for Anya, which indeed is the fastest in the world.
Seems like Anya's around 0.0333 seconds of air time off a quad lutz, in theory. Though you probably require some more time to rotate a lutz than a toe, even though both start with plenty of prerotation. But I don't know what Tarakanova's max rotation speed is. Anya's 4T rotation speed is 60% faster than Tarakanova's rotation for that 3Lz(0.3333 seconds for 2 full revolutions vs 0.5333 seconds). What's the jump she's rotated the fastest? With a Lutz like hers, she still would require more rotation speed than Trusova's quad, which still is very fast.
Oh and by the way, interesting to think but with Tarakanova's Lutz height / air time Anya would have an extremely easy 4Lz rotation.
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Am I the only one who absolutely ADORES Alina’s tutus?? Both of them! 
I have to wonder what a professional ballerina would say of Alina
I have to wonder what a professional ballerina would say of Alina
Am I the only one who absolutely ADORES Alina’s tutus?? Both of them!
I have to wonder what a professional ballerina would say of Alina
I do like her tutus but I couldn't care less what professional ballerinas think and I don't like the criticism against her from some corners that she doesn't have ballerina qualities... she reminds me more of a ballerina doll... I used to have either a ballerina music box or musical snow globe and that is what she reminds me of.
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I guess different ballerinas could say different words. I know that mom of Daniil Gleykhengauz (according to his interview) was ballerina at Bolshoy Theater and now she is one of choreographers in Eteri's group and works with Alina too.
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Last year it was the same tutu. But this year Alina has a new one. It looks similar but the construction is different, this one has shoulder straps instead of a mesh top for example. It's a different dress.
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